The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Dark Raven]

Let's say hyphothetical Universal is interested in IPs like the Predator or Alien Franchise. Now, Universal has no real use for the distribution rights of Hulk other than keep Disney from making those Hulk movies. But since they have interest in Alien or Predator, Disney can bargain. Universal would get the rights to those IPs (which Disney, being Disney has probably no real use) for which they can develop whole new movies in exchange for distribution rights of the Hulk.

Universal wins, because they have the IPs and can make lucrative franchises out of them. Disney wins, because they got rid of IPs that don't really fit their modus operandi in exchange for distribution rights of a character they use and may want to expand on. We win, because we're gettin new Alien movies, new Predator movies AND new Hulk movies.

The only ones losing are WB/DC, because they still didn't get rid of the DCFU

Maybe Universal can use Alien and Predator for their Dark Universe franchise.

Marvel need to get back both Hulk and Namor from Universal.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Let's say hyphothetical Universal is interested in IPs like the Predator or Alien Franchise. Now, Universal has no real use for the distribution rights of Hulk other than keep Disney from making those Hulk movies. But since they have interest in Alien or Predator, Disney can bargain. Universal would get the rights to those IPs (which Disney, being Disney has probably no real use) for which they can develop whole new movies in exchange for distribution rights of the Hulk.

Universal wins, because they have the IPs and can make lucrative franchises out of them. Disney wins, because they got rid of IPs that don't really fit their modus operandi in exchange for distribution rights of a character they use and may want to expand on. We win, because we're gettin new Alien movies, new Predator movies AND new Hulk movies.

The only ones losing are WB/DC, because they still didn't get rid of the DCFU

Couldn't have explained it better myself

 

[Dark Raven]

Can the Trump administration block the sale of Fox to Disney like what happened with AT&T and Time Warner?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Can the Trump administration block the sale of Fox to Disney like what happened with AT&T and Time Warner?

Probably. most if not all western countries have rules against monopolization and the US is probably not different. (of course, most, if not all western countries have free healthcare, so what do I know?)

 

[metaphysician]

It won't happen. Or rather, the anti-trust watchdogs will require stuff for the deal to go through, but Disney won't have trouble meeting their requirements. It just means they'll have to divest some of the stuff they'd be getting from Fox, like excess broadcast licenses. The government doesn't care about Disney acquiring movie IP, by contrast.

 

[Big Bang]

Can the Trump administration block the sale of Fox to Disney like what happened with AT&T and Time Warner?

The big hangup with the AT&T+Time Warner deal is that AT&T has 2x major cable distribution systems (DirectTV+Uverse). The DOJ is requesting that AT&T either sell off DirectTV (which it acquired 3 years ago) or sell off Turner Broadcasting.

The concern lies in fees the combined company would charge other carriers for said content. This is a bit more of a concern than was Comcast+NBCUniversal. The judge who originally approved that deal had misgivings about it that he voiced, but had to approve it anyway because the DOJ under Obama hadn't raised any issues. They had advocated "behavioral oversight", which was a break from how these deals were traditionally analyzed.

No administration can "block" a deal per se. They can raise issues or sue to block a deal but all litigation between the parties are approved by the judiciary.

 

[ADollarADay]

Let's say hypothetical Universal is interested in IPs like the Predator or Alien Franchise. Now, Universal has no real use for the distribution rights of Hulk other than keep Disney from making those Hulk movies. But since they have interest in Alien or Predator, Disney can bargain. Universal would get the rights to those IPs (which Disney, being Disney has probably no real use) for which they can develop whole new movies in exchange for distribution rights of the Hulk.

Universal wins, because they have the IPs and can make lucrative franchises out of them. Disney wins, because they got rid of IPs that don't really fit their modus operandi in exchange for distribution rights of a character they use and may want to expand on. We win, because we're gettin new Alien movies, new Predator movies AND new Hulk movies.

The only ones losing are WB/DC, because they still didn't get rid of the DCFU

I posted this in part 1, Fox owns the distribution rights to the following Dreamwork Animation movies, presumably in perpetuity.

The Croods
Turbo
Mr Peabody and Sherman
How to Train Your Dragon 2
Penguins of Madagascar
Home
Kung Fu Panda 3
Trolls
Boss Baby
Captain Underpants

They also owns the distribution rights to 2 Don Bluth movies and Horton Hears a Who (Comcast has pretty much all other Dr. Seuss movies and has a big 2018 How the Grinch stole Christmas by Illumination next year). While Disney has no rights of first refusal on movie distribution, they own more legacy content, including some big ones that Comcast is pushing. I feel the above (with the possible exception of Anastasia and maybe Titan AE from Don Bluth) is more than enough to get all Marvel movie rights that Universal owns. I feel that should be enough to also get an amendment to the theme park rights in Orlando as well, maybe with some amendment that favors Universal to the Simpsons theme park rights as well (I assume the latter has an expiration date like the HP one does).

Disney could trade Aliens, Predators, Die Hard to Sony for the remaining Spidey rights

 

[Silver Surfer]

Trump and Murdoch are very close, there will be no problem in this deal getting approved.

 

[ADollarADay]

Trump and Murdoch are very close, there will be no problem in this deal getting approved.

Trump doesn't have as much of a say as you think in this, Big Bang had a good quick summary on how it works.

Perlmutter is also very close to Trump btw.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I posted this in part 1, Fox owns the distribution rights to the following Dreamwork Animation movies, presumably in perpetuity.

The Croods
Turbo
Mr Peabody and Sherman
How to Train Your Dragon 2
Penguins of Madagascar
Home
Kung Fu Panda 3
Trolls
Boss Baby
Captain Underpants

They also owns the distribution rights to 2 Don Bluth movies and Horton Hears a Who (Comcast has pretty much all other Dr. Seuss movies and has a big 2018 How the Grinch stole Christmas by Illumination next year). While Disney has no rights of first refusal on movie distribution, they own more legacy content, including some big ones that Comcast is pushing. I feel the above (with the possible exception of Anastasia and maybe Titan AE from Don Bluth) is more than enough to get all Marvel movie rights that Universal owns. I feel that should be enough to also get an amendment to the theme park rights in Orlando as well, maybe with some amendment that favors Universal to the Simpsons theme park rights as well (I assume the latter has an expiration date like the HP one does).

Disney could trade Aliens, Predators, Die Hard to Sony for the remaining Spidey rights

Do we want Sony to have those? Lol

 

[ADollarADay]

Do we want Sony to have those? Lol

Not really, but I would rather have the whole Marvel family 100% in house. Casualties, I guess hah!

Those two franchises have tons of potential, they have just been botched by terrible remakes and reboots.

 

[Dark Raven]

Do we want Sony to have those? Lol

Sony might want Aliens and Predators to help kick start their Venom Cinematic Universe.

BTW, although it's not a Marvel property at all, is there any way that Marvel could use the Aliens franchise to tie in with the Brood and Captain Marvel?

 

[BoredGuy]

Hey what do you guys think
My MCU Wolvie concept:

Spoiler

(Sorry for the large size and poor quality lol)

 

[Big Bang]

Trump and Murdoch are very close, there will be no problem in this deal getting approved.

Closeness to Trump honestly won't make any difference, nor should it. The DOJ is supposed to be independent on these matters (politics aside, but we all know how these things work behind the scenes).

However, as many on this board have rightfully pointed out. Fox had a variety of rights to a treasure trove of properties. Many that are now owned by one of Disney's biggest competitors in Universal Studios. Disney can easily demonstrate a "good faith based" divestment to this chief competitor by releasing those rights to Universal in return for the outstanding Hulk/Namor rights, and maybe put an end date on the remaining theme park rights in Orlando. As well as make side deals/gestures with Sony. Time Warner wasn't in much of a position to do that, so that works to their detriment.

So, in many ways Disney can make the claim that this acquisition is good for the consumer and its competitors by freeing up properties, etc., and promoting competition in light of the loss of a major studio (the depth of that argument is debatable). This plays along with their chief argument that the entertainment companies need to scale up to compete with the technology sector. Which is part of Time Warner's argument for the AT&T buyout.

 

[Stark Bauer]

I think one of the challenges with this deal is what to do with the existing properties that are yet to be released - I am sure that Disney doesn't want to upset Fox and cancel alone their films in preproduction slash post production- that wouldn't be favourable - should they release the movies but not under the official Marvel studios label? That way they get any profits that may come their way whilst simultaneously calling it the end for all those storylines and X verses.

I feel that they should release them anyway - and then start from scratch once the rest of those movies are released - except for Deadpool and possibly Gambit depending on how well they execute and faithfully portray that character. Thoughts?

 

[Big Bang]

I think one of the challenges with this deal is what to do with the existing properties that are yet to be released - I am sure that Disney doesn't want to upset Fox and cancel alone their films in preproduction slash post production- that wouldn't be favourable - should they release the movies but not under the official Marvel studios label? That way they get any profits that may come their way whilst simultaneously calling it the end for all those storylines and X verses.

I feel that they should release them anyway - and then start from scratch once the rest of those movies are released - except for Deadpool and possibly Gambit depending on how well they execute and faithfully portray that character. Thoughts?

Anything releasing in 2018 is going to come out. 2019 remains to be seen.

They'll release under the 20th Century Fox banner, and the studio name likely won't be rebranded until several months after the deal has closed. When it does, I don't expect them to retain the "Fox" or "20th Century" brands due to 21st Century Fox. The Fox studios I imagine will just consolidate and rebrand to "Searchlight Pictures" or similar.

After those remaining films have released they'll reboot under the MCU. Deadpool being the only exception. Gambit probably won't get released since it keeps falling behind in production.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hey what do you guys think
My MCU Wolvie concept:

Spoiler

(Sorry for the large size and poor quality lol)

It's better than any of the stuff we've been forced to endure before.

I really hope they don't take the Hawkeye approach for Wolverine.

 

[Dark Raven]

It's better than any of the stuff we've been forced to endure before.

I really hope they don't take the Hawkeye approach for Wolverine.

Wolverine could end up looking like a SHIELD agent. What if all the X-Men look like that?

 

[InCali]

Hey what do you guys think
My MCU Wolvie concept:

Spoiler

(Sorry for the large size and poor quality lol)

Nice dude. Got a little spare time on your hands?

 

[First Avenger]

Hey what do you guys think
My MCU Wolvie concept:

Spoiler

(Sorry for the large size and poor quality lol)

I dig it!

 

[Lilbaz]

Sony might want Aliens and Predators to help kick start their Venom Cinematic Universe.

BTW, although it's not a Marvel property at all, is there any way that Marvel could use the Aliens franchise to tie in with the Brood and Captain Marvel?

Sure that the deal between marvel and sony for the rights of spidey characters limits their usage. Doubt Venom could appear in an aliens or predator film.

 

[BoredGuy]

Nice dude. Got a little spare time on your hands?

Gotta live up to the name lol

 

[Darth_Spock]

Hey what do you guys think
My MCU Wolvie concept:

Spoiler

(Sorry for the large size and poor quality lol)

Fascinating!

LOL I can't help but picture you as a Fox exec like 5 years ago showing this exact design to Singer who would nod at it then whisper in another "execs" ear.

Next think you know you'd be waking up in a forest at gun point with a shovel next to you. It'll be a man in all black leather motioning for you to start digging.

On a more serious note I hope someone at MCU see's this as inspiration though.

 

[BoredGuy]

Fascinating!

LOL I can't help but picture you as a Fox exec like 5 years ago showing this exact design to Singer who would nod at it then whisper in another "execs" ear.

Next think you know you'd be waking up in a forest at gun point with a shovel next to you. It'll be a man in all black leather motioning for you to start digging.

On a more serious note I hope someone at MCU see's this as inspiration though.

Lmao
Yea i mean, i took inspiration for the mask from both caps and the unused wolverine helmet from The Wolverine, thats as close as fox would let the comic costumes get to a movie

 

[SyntaxError]

Closeness to Trump honestly won't make any difference, nor should it. The DOJ is supposed to be independent on these matters (politics aside, but we all know how these things work behind the scenes).

However, as many on this board have rightfully pointed out. Fox had a variety of rights to a treasure trove of properties. Many that are now owned by one of Disney's biggest competitors in Universal Studios. Disney can easily demonstrate a "good faith based" divestment to this chief competitor by releasing those rights to Universal in return for the outstanding Hulk/Namor rights, and maybe put an end date on the remaining theme park rights in Orlando. As well as make side deals/gestures with Sony. Time Warner wasn't in much of a position to do that, so that works to their detriment.

So, in many ways Disney can make the claim that this acquisition is good for the consumer and its competitors by freeing up properties, etc., and promoting competition in light of the loss of a major studio (the depth of that argument is debatable). This plays along with their chief argument that the entertainment companies need to scale up to compete with the technology sector. Which is part of Time Warner's argument for the AT&T buyout.

if the DOJ demands any concessions, it won't be related to the studio side. nothing in there raises flags. points of contention, if any will be the RSN or tv channels.