The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - Part 14

[First Avenger]

Willie WHERE ARE YOU MY MAN

 

[Orba]

This is now officially the GOAT thread in the history of threads.

I think we will need to look for something to go on the shelf with this.

 

[Flint Marko]

Willie WHERE ARE YOU MY MAN

Wake up Willie, it's official!

 

[Saitou Hajime]

And just in time for Christmas. We did it, folks.

 

[WeaponXCII]

Hope has finally turned into reality!

 

[Kanon]

I just want to remind everyone, that the rights didn't REVERT, so, cut the party...

 

[Dark Raven]

Some people are still going to argue that Constantin somehow, someway still own the rights.

Agreed.

The reason it's never going to happen, though, is because FOX doesn't actually own the Fantastic Four rights; they are merely the distributor for films made using said rights, which are owned by the Germany-based studio Constantin Film.

Using DigificWriter's logic, why wouldn't Constantin Film work with Marvel? Actually make money off the rights? Fox probably has distribution rights, which is the only problem here.

It's not MY logic, it's the truth.

Constantin Film bought the film rights for the characters in 1986. A low-budget film was produced in 1992 in order to retain the license. In 2004, with a distribution deal from 20th Century Fox, a second Fantastic Four film entered production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four_in_film

Now explain the rest. Why wouldn't they work with Marvel instead then?

Because they don't need to. Constantin doesn't gain or lose anything by holding the rights, as they've demonstrated by the fact that they've already made one 'ashcan copy' film using the rights just so that they didn't lose them.

They don't benefit from it either. They aren't making money, especially not the good money they would make with Marvel. If Marvel would cover the cost of a film, what do they lose by letting Marvel distribute it?

Constantin doesn't need to make money on the Fantastic Four in order to stay in business. That's why they have nothing in particular to either gain or lose by cooperating with Marvel.

Sony didn't necessarily need to make money on Spider-Man in order to survive, either, but they chose to make the deal because they saw benefit in it. I don't believe there's anything to suggest that Constantin is in that kind of a position.

Which means there is no logical reason to your stance.

There is a reason Marvel has been negotiating with Fox. It is because Fox probably owns the distribution rights, and they need those to work with Constantin Films.

Fox is only involved in the Fantastic Four because they signed a distribution agreement with Constantin Film back in 2004. If Constantin so chose, they could take the rights to the Four elsewhere and see if anybody else was interested in spite of the failure of this current movie.

Why would Constantin still be listed as holding the ownership of the Fantastic Four rights if they'd effectively transferred that ownership to FOX by making the distribution deal with them?

http://deadline.com/2012/08/fox-insiders-no-galactus-talks-with-marvel-314578/



At what point do they say they are talking to the wrong people about Galactus or the Silver Surfer? It in fact says that Fox controls the characters.

http://deadline.com/2015/02/spider-man-marvel-kevin-feige-amy-pascal-producers-1201370228/



Notice no mention of Constantin Films?

How about here?

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/f...ox-is-responsible-for-bad-reviews-1201558644/

^ Thank you for the links. I do wonder why Constantin Film isn't mentioned in any of those articles given that they are still currently listed as holding ownership of the Fantastic Four rights, though.

 

[First Avenger]

Loooool

 

[Slick]

Thank god!!!’

 

[Dark Raven]

Willie WHERE ARE YOU MY MAN

Wake up Willie, it's official!

^ The sorts of things muttered by someone with performance issues.

 

[Iceman]

'Combining with Disney are 21st Century Fox’s critically acclaimed film production businesses, including Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight Pictures and Fox 2000, which together offer diverse and compelling storytelling businesses and are the homes of Avatar, X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool, as well as The Grand Budapest Hotel, Hidden Figures, Gone Girl, The Shape of Water and The Martian—and its storied television creative units, Twentieth Century Fox Television, FX Productions and Fox21, which have brought The Americans, This Is Us, Modern Family, The Simpsons and so many more hit TV series to viewers across the globe. Disney will also acquire FX Networks, National Geographic Partners, Fox Sports Regional Networks, Fox Networks Group International, Star India and Fox’s interests in Hulu, Sky plc, Tata Sky and Endemol Shine Group.'

https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/wa...noff-certain-businesses-52-4-billion-stock-2/


FANTASTIC FOUR ARE MENTIONED EVERYONE!!!!!

Oh damn, so good to see it all officially in print!!!

 

[First Avenger]

"The agreement also provides Disney with the opportunity to reunite the X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool with the Marvel family under one roof and create richer, more complex worlds of inter-related characters and stories that audiences have shown they love."

THIS is the important part. I bet Feige already has an outline of where things should go.

 

[Iron_Stark]

NEVER thought I'd see it happen. As stubborn as Fox was being, never did I ever think we'd see the day when X-Men and FF would join the MCU!

 

[rebellion]

im seeng star wars tonight.. plus this happening... best day ever

 

[Spider-Fan]

"The agreement also provides Disney with the opportunity to reunite the X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool with the Marvel family under one roof and create richer, more complex worlds of inter-related characters and stories that audiences have shown they love."

THIS is the important part. I bet Feige already has an outline of where things should go.

No doubt they have plans. Question now is when can we start implementing plans!!!!

 

[Gabe99]

CBR:
Disney Seals Fox Deal, Plans to Reunite X-Men, Fantastic Four With Marvel

 

[I Am The Knight]

YES!! Christmas came early this year! t: I thought it would be years before Marvel got the rights back, and then ONLY for the FF...But the FF AND the X-Men back home!? This is an incredible day for comics fans everywhere

 

[Flint Marko]

Exciting as this is, I'm willing to bet that we're going to wait a bit to hear anything official from Marvel and even longer before we see them announce any X-men or FF films. It's going to take some patience.

 

[Nardz937]

This thread is officially the greatest win of all-time.

WELCOME HOME!

 

[Darkraid]

I've never so happy to see a thread getting closed!

It's party time!!!

 

[Docker2.0]

OMG!!! So now I can change my Sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Iron_Stark]

I'm sure this has been quoted or posted already, but fudge it, LOVE seeing this

Popular Entertainment Properties to Join Disney Family

Combining with Disney are 21st Century Fox’s critically acclaimed film production businesses, including Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight Pictures and Fox 2000, which together offer diverse and compelling storytelling businesses and are the homes of Avatar, X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool, as well as The Grand Budapest Hotel, Hidden Figures, Gone Girl, The Shape of Water and The Martian—and its storied television creative units, Twentieth Century Fox Television, FX Productions and Fox21, which have brought The Americans, This Is Us, Modern Family, The Simpsons and so many more hit TV series to viewers across the globe.

In print, on their website, OFFICIAL

Puts to rest all that Constantine Film nonsense.

 

[ImSGirl95]

OMG!!! So now I can change my Sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha, I remember your signature for years.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Exciting as this is, I'm willing to bet that we're going to wait a bit to hear anything official from Marvel and even longer before we see them announce any X-men or FF films. It's going to take some patience.

Feige will make some kind of general statement, like "We're excited to have X-Men, FF, and Deadpool all under one roof and it will give us the chance to create brand new stories within the expanding MCU, yada yada yada..."

Nothing substantial will be said at this point in time. He won't say "So glad this went through, now Wolverine is in Avengers 4 and played by Actor X!" That won't happen. Anything major like that would wait until some type of con or formal press release once this deal is officially approved.

 

[Kanon]

Exciting as this is, I'm willing to bet that we're going to wait a bit to hear anything official from Marvel and even longer before we see them announce any X-men or FF films. It's going to take some patience.

Yes, unless the untitled films are FF or Silver Surfer, and there is some real progress made on them (treatment or concept art). CapCom is rumored to have been working from some time on X-Men and FF characters for Marvel vs Capcom Infinity, even when those characters were "banned" due to the rights feud. If CapCom did some work "just in case", with inside info of this deal, Marvel surely did something.