The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 2

[Willie Lumpkin]

I don't see the link says anything about it going back to Marvel though. It just says that "All signs would indicate that Taskmaster's rights rest with Fox."

In this interview: http://comicbook.com/2015/12/25/deadpool-movie-director-talks-about-who-he-would-like-to-see-dea/ Tim Miller says:

"I’d love to see Deadpool go up against Taskmaster who’s another Marvel total f**kin’ badass," Miller shared with Empire. Taskmaster, aka Tony Masters, took a serum that allows him to utilize his muscle memory to absorb knowledge instantaneously. As a result, he’s skilled in various forms of combat and is an expert swordsman and marksman.

"But if I was to stay inside the Fox family, I would like to see him fight X23. the female Wolverine...

That would seem to contradict the other article that claimed Taskmaster was with Fox, but, unfortunately, I don't know if there's enough to clearly say there has been any change. It could just be confusion from one source or another and/or statements that are somewhat ambiguous.

 

[Eddie]

The best indicator that Taskmaster reverted is probably that poster Marvel put out earlier this year. It included loads of characters (including Taskmaster), but it didn't have any of the known Fox characters (no FF, Surfer, X-Men, etc.).

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Let's not have our hate blind us... they purposefully leaked that footage to get people talking and interested in the project.

They did the same thing Marvel did with Ant-Man.

MS showed the Ant-Man footage at some comic-con and included it in the Phase 1 box set. that's hardly 'leaking it'.
Fox on the other hand, that's a whole different story and judging by the history of those actually responsible for the Deadpool movie ( as in: the script writers, Reynolds, the director ) I wouldn't be surprised if any of those did leak it to put pressure on the studio.

If someone felt more pressure after the Ant-Man footage was shown/officially released, it was Wright.

 

[Dark Raven]

MS showed the Ant-Man footage at some comic-con and included it in the Phase 1 box set. that's hardly 'leaking it'.
Fox on the other hand, that's a whole different story and judging by the history of those actually responsible for the Deadpool movie ( as in: the script writers, Reynolds, the director ) I wouldn't be surprised if any of those did leak it to put pressure on the studio.

If someone felt more pressure after the Ant-Man footage was shown/officially released, it was Wright.

Wright: Damn. Now I've actually got to start work on the script.

 

[Docker2.0]

Not trying to change this thread but Wright has to be kicking himself. He drug Antman out as long as he could and Marvel even waited for him. Then at the last minute, he didn't like Marvel's "interference" so he decided to get off the project. Antman has made over $500M WW. Edgar Wright's biggest box office take WW? Hot Fuzz at $80M. Not knocking the guy but come on! He needed this project way more than Marvel needed him. And they waited YEARS for him to get on it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Similarly, Josh Trank must be kicking himself for getting kicked off Star Wars. He didn't like Fox's interference on the FFINO project. FFINO made over $167M WW ($168M ). And Trank's biggest only other box office take WW? $123.1 million.

 

[Docker2.0]

Similarly, Josh Trank must be kicking himself for getting kicked off Star Wars. He didn't like Fox's interference on the FFINO project. FFINO made over $167M WW ($168M ). And Trank's biggest only other box office take WW? $123.1 million.

Speaking of Star Wars..........I saw it this past weekend and it's clear that Doom was the inspiration of Ren. I can't believe Fox hasn't gotten the character right in 3 tries!!! I was watching the movie and when Ren used the force, I was thinking about Doom using sorcery. It's crazy how Star Wars has given us a better Doom than Fox ever has!

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

It's crazy how Star Wars has given us a better Doom than Fox ever has!

twice, if you count Vader

 

[2kt09]

Would it also be accurate to presume GI Joe's Cobra Commander took inspiration from Doom?

 

[Dark Raven]

Even Frank Langella's Skeletor in Masters of the Universe was a better Dr Doom than any of the Fantastic Four movies.

 

[2kt09]

Even Frank Langella's Skeletor in Masters of the Universe was a better Dr Doom than any of the Fantastic Four movies.

"Director Gary Goddard clarified this...

'In fact, the storyline was greatly inspired by the classic Fantastic Four/Doctor Doom epics, The New Gods and a bit of Thor thrown in here and there. I intended the film to be a "motion picture comic book"...'"​

I'll check this movie out.

 

[AnneFan]

I watched this on a plane trip recently out of curiosity. And yes, it's a stinker. No energy, crap characters, completely rushed and ultimately a waste of time.

 

[RAE072]

We should also keep in mind: even if the Deadpool trailer looks good, the film could suck. And with Fox, that scenario is highly likely.

I couldn't wait to see the first Tim Story film after seeing the trailers, but we saw how that worked out. And even the trailers for the Trank film made it look better than it actually was.

Deadpool could very easily end up being another Daredevil - which also looked better in trailers than it actually was.

If they eff up Deadpool then that's it, nobody should trust FOX to do a comic book movie with Marvel characters ever again, and everybody should just stay home on Apocalypse's opening weekend. Bomb that one hard and that'll hopefully be the end. Disney can buy back all the Marvel characters they don't currently own for probably pretty cheap and they'll all be under one big quality-assured umbrella.

But for all intents and purposes, they seem to be doing everything right by Deadpool.

Marketing wise it's been great. Characters look and act and sound as they should(again, so far).

But yeah, we'll see.

 

[Docker2.0]

If they eff up Deadpool then that's it, nobody should trust FOX to do a comic book movie with Marvel characters ever again, and everybody should just stay home on Apocalypse's opening weekend. Bomb that one hard and that'll hopefully be the end. Disney can buy back all the Marvel characters they don't currently own for probably pretty cheap and they'll all be under one big quality-assured umbrella.

But for all intents and purposes, they seem to be doing everything right by Deadpool.

Marketing wise it's been great. Characters look and act and sound as they should(again, so far).

But yeah, we'll see.

Deadpool looks faithful AF though, even got Colossus right. I give credit to Ryan Reynolds because dude seems to want the character to do right and I'm thinking about seeing it. It's just that I can't support any of Fox's superheroes because of their treatment of the F4. I just can't willingly support these guys. I'm definitely not seeing XM:A in theaters.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

From my point of view, I've never read a Deadpool comic book. And unlike Iron Man, Thor, Daredevil, X-Men etc., he was never in any of the FF comic books or Marvel-Two-In-One or Team-Up comic books I read, so my knowledge of and interest in the character is pretty small.

There was a time when Marvel characters in films were so rare that I'd see every one just because it was cool to see those characters that I knew from comic books featured in a film - even if they weren't my favorite characters.

If Marvel was doing the Deadpool film, I'd probably check it out because Marvel has shown that they make good films even with characters I don't know.

Fox hasn't done anything like Marvel and, unlike Marvel, Fox has taken great characters and made lousy movies out of them.

If the Deadpool trailer really impressed me, I'd probably give it a try, but it doesn't look like something that appeals to me, so I'll just stay home.

 

[Dasher10]

Would it also be accurate to presume GI Joe's Cobra Commander took inspiration from Doom?

No. He actually was literally based on another Marvel villain though. the GI Joe cartoon was originally designed as one for Captain America and Cobra Commander was based on Baron Zemo.

 

[2kt09]

No. He actually was literally based on another Marvel villain though. the GI Joe cartoon was originally designed as one for Captain America and Cobra Commander was based on Baron Zemo.

Ahh, that makes a lot more sense.

Deadpool has a shot to be critically panned:
It's being released within a notorious month for movie dumps.
Tim Miller jumping from visual sfx producer to a directorial gig.
The action might end up flowing well, but the performances and interplay could be stunted.
Not to mention, how much does Miller have the reigns on a piece of their moneymaking flagship
relative to the director they called in because of his one-time low budget success?
Ryan Reynolds's umpteenth try at a comic book property (something's bound to go south even if "it wasn't his fault").
The Zombieland writers also scripted the GI Joe sequel.
Although, worst of all, it's banking on being a more crass GOTG, which the MCU is sadly more than capable of making.

Yet, none of that matters because it's a low budget R-rated action com with flashy looking characters that has done a lot to stir up attention and will ultimately be insignificant if it financially flops aside from no sequel.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Ahh, that makes a lot more sense.

Deadpool has a shot to be critically panned:
It's being released within a notorious month for movie dumps.
Tim Miller jumping from visual sfx producer to a directorial gig.
The action might end up flowing well, but the performances and interplay could be stunted.
Not to mention, how much does Miller have the reigns on a piece of their moneymaking flagship
relative to the director they called in because of his one-time low budget success?
Ryan Reynolds's umpteenth try at a comic book property (something's bound to go south even if "it wasn't his fault").
The Zombieland writers also scripted the GI Joe sequel.
Although, worst of all, it's banking on being a more crass GOTG, which the MCU is sadly more than capable of making.

Yet, none of that matters because it's a low budget R-rated action com with flashy looking characters that has done a lot to stir up attention and will ultimately be insignificant if it financially flops aside from no sequel.

From my point of view, as an FF fan, a flop could be good or could be bad.

On the good side, it could convince Fox that these stupid Marvel Superheroes (other than X-Men) aren't worth it.

On the bad side, it could limit Fox's options and convince them it's worth rebooting FF since they can't get any traction with smaller characters.

 

[2kt09]

From my point of view, as an FF fan, a flop could be good or could be bad.

On the good side, it could convince Fox that these stupid Marvel Superheroes (other than X-Men) aren't worth it.

On the bad side, it could limit Fox's options and convince them it's worth rebooting FF since they can't get any traction with smaller characters.

I completely forget about Deadpool's clear ties to X-men that were in the trailer. So, there's also that boost with this movie.

The difference here is that FF is a shared property with another studio, which perhaps has the actual hold on the rights as FOX co-produces and distributes them. Somewhat similar to the Hulk and Spidey movie situation. The movie X-men are entirely Fox's. The last successful spinoff was The Wolverine and if DP flops that mostly means Reynolds is still blockbuster poison. The studio is more likely to be worried about that Gambit movie, which is far more expensive than it should be, yet has a financially safer lead.

 

[Dasher10]

Deadpool's success won't impact the FF one way or the other. He's part of the X-Men rights. The X-Men are a proven property. The FF have had four miserable flops.

At this point, there is very little chance that Fox would be interested in another go at the FF much like how they weren't interested in another Elektra film.

 

[Docker2.0]

Deadpool's success won't impact the FF one way or the other. He's part of the X-Men rights. The X-Men are a proven property. The FF have had four miserable flops.

At this point, there is very little chance that Fox would be interested in another go at the FF much like how they weren't interested in another Elektra film.

 

[First Avenger]

Have you guys seen the Dr Strange pics? My God.

 

[Endeavor]

counting the Corman flick

 

[Docker2.0]

Have you guys seen the Dr Strange pics? My God.

I know right? Marvel and DC are doing the "simple" things like being close to the comics as possible. There are some deviations but Fox seems to deviant more from the source than normal. We have yet to see Wolverine in his costume after how many films?

 

[Docker2.0]

counting the Corman flick

That film wasn't released plus it wasn't made under Fox..........but if we got to blame someone, then count me in! Let's blame Fox!