The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 5

[Kanon]

That really limits their options and your point about Marvel being able to bring them in via another well received and attended movie (Like IW2 for example), is spot on. I could see the aftermath of the defeat of Thanos causing the FF to get their powers from what is perceived to be a freak accident. While in the comics the FF preceeded any battles with Thanos, you could still do a faithful retelling of the FF's origin story. I think it would/could be awesome.

I want to see Doom taking a shot at the infinity gauntlet

 

[ernesth100]

I want to see God Doom Secret Wars style.

 

[Kanon]

I want to see God Doom Secret Wars style.

Well, yesterday I was toying with the idead of having Infinity War part I modeled after the infinty gauntlet, and part II after Infinity War with Doom instead of Magus (basically, Doom is on the heroes' side in Part I, part 2 is Thanos and the heroes trying to stop Doom). Maybe it would be too soon

 

[Karamazov]

I'm not the religious type, but this moves me to PRAY that they do NOT bring the Royal Family into AoS. There is WAY too much good movie material for them to do that. Medusa, Black Bolt, Karnak, etc. (and don't forget my doggy) are a NATURAL for either their own movie or a FF movie (Crystal would, of course, be a natural for a FF movie). Please god, please.....I promise I'll be good. t:

Anyone for Paste Pot Pete?

They can not use the royal family in the Cap Marvel movie?

 

[InCali]

They can not use the royal family in the Cap Marvel movie?

I suppose, but I think Inhumans fit best with the FF.

 

[Karamazov]

I suppose, but I think Inhumans fit best with the FF.

Sure, but this perspective is in a scenario without the FF

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would certainly like to see the FF "discover" the Inhumans. Not only would it fit canon, but it would emphasize the role of FF as adventurers/explorers/discoverers.

If Marvel doesn't get FF, they won't have any choice, but the Inhumans will feel incomplete without the FF.

 

[Dark Raven]

Speaking for myself, NO!!!.

I was absolutely giving them that chance last time around and even argued with some around here to give Fox a chance . . . before we got that awful cast.

But after they didn't just fail, but failed in an epic way (while insulting the fans the whole time they were doing it), I'm not giving them another chance in this life-time - unless Marvel is involved.

Even if they claim they're doing everything right, I have no faith or trust in them anymore.

Fool me three times, shame on me. Fool me 4 times . . . **** YOU FOX! **** YOU SO MUCH!!! DIE AND GO TO HELL.


I hope I'm not being too subtle.

What if Fox got everything right and also offered to cast you as Willie Lumpkin in their movie? Would you go and see it and lend your support then?

 

[InCali]

What if Fox got everything right and also offered to cast you as Willie Lumpkin in their movie? Would you go and see it and lend your support then?

I'd go see it as long as he looks like Willie.

I think a lot of people would stay away. That, in and of itself, is the best reason for Fox to NOT make yet another reboot. A sequel would be even more stupid. I'm not even sure Michael COULD reprise his role at this point.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

What if Fox got everything right and also offered to cast you as Willie Lumpkin in their movie? Would you go and see it and lend your support then?

I'd go, I'd find the highest ranking Fox manager on set . . . and b****-slap the **** out of them . . .










*Note* This laughing emoticon has been inserted to indicate the person using the designation "Willie Lumpkin" is joking and not making serious threats of bodily injury against Fox Personnel*



*Also known as - scum-sucking, weasel-faced, parent-raping sons of b****es.

 

[Endeavor]

Thanks guys my next question would be if Fox in some alternate reality were to reboot and do everything right, seemingly get great actors that fit their respective roles, made the villains and look of the production comic accurate for the most part would anyone go see it?

No, I would not see it.
Mostly because I would not believe they'd done everything right. They've lost my trust.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

No, I would not see it.
Mostly because I would not believe they'd done everything right. They've lost my trust.

This is the problem. If I actually believed they really were doing everything right, I might give it a chance, but how would we really know until it's too late?

We know they're dishonest, we know they don't understand the Fantastic Four, we know they have zero respect for the fans, etc. etc.

Just telling us they're doing things right won't be enough. It's like a husband who has been caught cheating multiple times in the past telling his wife she should trust him when he tells her he's not cheating now. Why should she trust him now when he has lied and disrespected her so many times in the past?

They don't get the benefit of the doubt. They get the presumption that they're making a crap film because that's what they've earned.

 

[Dark Raven]

The FFINO version of Willie Lumpkin will either be a young delivery boy who has a Saturday morning job, or an electronic AOL-like service that says "You've Got Mail".

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The FFINO version of Willie Lumpkin will either be a young delivery boy who has a Saturday morning job, or an electronic AOL-like service that says "You've Got Mail".

 

[Kanon]

The FFINO version of Willie Lumpkin will either be a young delivery boy who has a Saturday morning job, or an electronic AOL-like service that says "You've Got Mail".

LOL, but yeah, I would bet $100 that Willie Lumpking would have been some kind of app or social network

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

LOL, but yeah, I would bet $100 that Willie Lumpking would have been some kind of app or social network

And they'd think they were giving us 'geeky fanboys' a huge gift by doing that. If we're really lucky, maybe they'll even have a Roomba named H.E.R.B.I.E.

 

[Dark Raven]

And "Invisible Woman" would be your date from Tinder who never shows up or turns out to be a man

 

[NHawk19]

This is the problem. If I actually believed they really were doing everything right, I might give it a chance, but how would we really know until it's too late?

We know they're dishonest, we know they don't understand the Fantastic Four, we know they have zero respect for the fans, etc. etc.

Just telling us they're doing things right won't be enough. It's like a husband who has been caught cheating multiple times in the past telling his wife she should trust him when he tells her he's not cheating now. Why should she trust him now when he has lied and disrespected her so many times in the past?

They don't get the benefit of the doubt. They get the presumption that they're making a crap film because that's what they've earned.

The thing is too, even if they do get everything right. Where to they go with the story and how long does it last? The old business model for this was at best 3 and done. Marvel, Star Wars, DC, and to a lesser extent Harry Potter is in the process of changing that model. I don't see Fox having enough ancillary characters or tie-in points to keep interest in the franchise long term anyway, especially if they can't cross with X-Men.

That means even at best we get 3 films. Then a possible re-start.

Fox's best bet would be to go all in on the X-verse. Put the staff in place to really manage that franchise. Then start trading for things to enhance that. Hopefully they've already started.

Edit: Just remembered this article from the other day. It talks about the state of box office, franchises etc.

http://variety.com/2016/film/features/box-office-decline-summer-blockbusters-the-bfg-1201822322/

They mention some of the things I said above but went further down the rabbit hole of which franchises have been successful. They note that those that continue to evolve have seen the greatest rewards while those that re-hash the same ground over and over again get sidelined. Anyway I'm just thinking that is further support of the fact that Fox should take stock of what they have and focus on doing great work on the X-verse instead of trying to add in something that might not be a good fit.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The thing is too, even if they do get everything right. Where to they go with the story and how long does it last? The old business model for this was at best 3 and done. Marvel, Star Wars, DC, and to a lesser extent Harry Potter is in the process of changing that model. I don't see Fox having enough ancillary characters or tie-in points to keep interest in the franchise long term anyway, especially if they can't cross with X-Men.

That means even at best we get 3 films. Then a possible re-start.

Fox's best bet would be to go all in on the X-verse. Put the staff in place to really manage that franchise. Then start trading for things to enhance that. Hopefully they've already started.

Edit: Just remembered this article from the other day. It talks about the state of box office, franchises etc.

http://variety.com/2016/film/features/box-office-decline-summer-blockbusters-the-bfg-1201822322/

They mention some of the things I said above but went further down the rabbit hole of which franchises have been successful. They note that those that continue to evolve have seen the greatest rewards while those that re-hash the same ground over and over again get sidelined. Anyway I'm just thinking that is further support of the fact that Fox should take stock of what they have and focus on doing great work on the X-verse instead of trying to add in something that might not be a good fit.

These are some good points. Marvel has created a new formula by constantly bringing in fresh characters and mixing them with existing characters and the Marvel catalog allows them to do that nearly indefinitely.

Spider-man was getting very repetitive and stale, and X-Men is very repetitive and stale.

Even the Nolan Batman films were getting pretty tired and familiar by the third film. Fantastic Four films, on their own with no crossovers (and we know crossovers are prevented by the contract), would also get somewhat tired after three films or so.

Of course Fox could decide to make three films with that in mind and just scrap or reboot after those three, but since they've already damaged the property so badly, they'd be lucky to just start being profitable around the same time fans were getting sick of them.

But you're right (and while it seems obvious to us and we've discussed it before, Fox seems very slow to catch on), Fox's best bet is to do a Marvel-type strategy.

Fox can make a Gambit film and a Colossus film and a Cyclops film. And then they can make a film that features Cyclops and Colossus and another that features Wolverine, Gambit and Deadpool etc. etc. etc. If done right their films would never get familiar or tired.

Of course since they can't mix FF in with that, FF just becomes a distraction from what their grand scheme should be.

But now we've gotten back to the topic of 1001 reasons why it would be stupid for Fox to ever make another FF film.

They clearly shouldn't, but if they do, I won't be interested.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Speaking for myself, NO!!!.

I was absolutely giving them that chance last time around and even argued with some around here to give Fox a chance . . . before we got that awful cast.

But after they didn't just fail, but failed in an epic way (while insulting the fans the whole time they were doing it), I'm not giving them another chance in this life-time - unless Marvel is involved.

Even if they claim they're doing everything right, I have no faith or trust in them anymore.

Fool me three times, shame on me. Fool me 4 times . . . **** YOU FOX! **** YOU SO MUCH!!! DIE AND GO TO HELL.


I hope I'm not being too subtle.

You'rebeing to vague they'll never understand what you mean talking like that...

Maybe they could get to half of the fanbase, but it's a huge stretch even with Fox making everything PERFECT (like big budget, comic accurate, great stars, involving fans and comic creators in the production). And still, I believe it would be a long term investment, the first movie would have to struggle with the memory of the previous installments (it would be a Batman Begins scenario). Fox seems more interested in getting a quick return of investment...

The only thing I can see is if they go the Deadpool route and have they're massive failure force them to make the film the way they made. That is, again, an alternative reality where there are no shrimp though...

OK. I just returned from some other alternate reality and disposed of the evil twin that was inhabiting my mind. While Fox COULD do that (with FF t, it would be a stupid move. Why? Because the public has generally lost trust that Fox COULD pull this off. Even if they did (which seems to be a stretch given their track record with FF), the box office wouldn't reflect the quality of the movie. They'd have to knock it out of the park probably 3 times in a row to win people over and I don't think they could do that and I don't think it would be worth it to them even if they could.

I think Fox is out of the FF business and I "heard" that they can't use them as auxilliary characters (In an X-Men movie for example). Not sure whether or not that's true.

We are really stuck on some very interesting alternate realities in this thread the past couple of days.

But yeah that's pretty much what I thought Fox can not even in an ideal situation make as much money as a cooperative relationship with Marvel. They really need to stop playing hard ball. It might have worked when Marvel was bankrupt and struggling but now they are a multi billion dollar corporation. They aren't the geek that you bully to do your homework anymore.

 

[NHawk19]

Well and here's the last point. Of all the single properties that Marvel sold off the rights to, X-Men was probably the most valuable in the long term. (Short term I'll give to Spider-man, but long term no) A studio could develop a whole meaningful universe around those characters, mostly because of the sheer quantity of them, and all with different interrelated stories to be told.

Blade, Daredevil, Spider-man, Hulk, F4, etc. On their own they were all eventually going to get stale because it was going to be the same thing over and over again. Setup same heroes in a situation, Heroes fight standard villain, heroes eventually win. It would be very formulaic, and confining.

For the 4 to work truly well, and have some kind of staying power they need to have some input in the MCU.

 

[Flint Marko]

TBT to when people thought Fox could actually make a decent FF movie out of this:

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

TBT to when people thought Fox could actually make a decent FF movie out of this:

Forget about the terrible script, nonsensical story and all the other factors that make this one of the worst comic-based films ever, doesn't that photo tell you everything you need to know?

That photo shows that they weren't even trying and/or didn't have a clue.

Just from that one image, anybody who knows anything about the Fantastic Four can tell that's not a well-done Fantastic Four movie.

 

[random_havoc]

Well, no FF announcement at Comic Con, so I'm going to take all that previous speculation that Marvel got the rights back as completely, sadly, wrong.

If they do get them back I don't see any reason to expect it will happen any time soon at this point.

 

[Mike5575]

Well, no FF announcement at Comic Con, so I'm going to take all that previous speculation that Marvel got the rights back as completely, sadly, wrong.

If they do get them back I don't see any reason to expect it will happen any time soon at this point.

We don't know what we don't know, so they could have the rights and are waiting for the right time to make an announcement. That's about as likely as aliens living among us, unfortunately.