The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[Darth_Spock]

Of course. They're obliged to say they're willing to fulfill their contract obligations. Saying anything negative would be committing career suicide, like Trank

It's a double edged sword though isn't it? Kinberg still going on about a 4stic sequel which was basically pandering for a contract renewal during interviews for X-men:Apocalypse, is part of the reason that XM:A under-performed. And I'm sure War Dogs would've done better if interviewers weren't constantly bringing up that stupid sequel for click bait.

So maybe it's a matter of their manager going over the questions before the interview.

In any case MBJ doesn't seem to have this issue beyond..."It was a learning process blah, blah blah, we worked hard, etc".

 

[Dark Raven]

I have this image of a couple studio execs discussing Kinberg:

Exec. 1: Damn, this loser still has two years left on his contract. What can we do with him to prevent him from screwing anything up?

Exec. 2: I've got it. Let's tell him we want him in charge of Fant4stic 2 and have him work on that until his contract is up.

Exec. 1: Oh come on. Kinberg is a dimwit, but even he isn't that dumb.

Exec. 2: *Looks over his glasses, but doesn't say a word.*

Exec. 1: Yeah, you're right. Calling him dumb is an insult to dumb.

Maybe they'll put him to work on a reboot of Dumb and Dumber. Kinberg's version will be a darker, grittier and more cerebral take on it where the characters explore their intelligence (while Fox execs explore Kinberg's lack of intelligence simultaneously).

 

[TheVileOne]

That scenario makes no sense because this seems to present executives as smarter.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

You guys say that, but Kinberg is still getting plenty of work over at FOX.

That scenario makes no sense because this seems to present executives as smarter.

It was a joke, but, yeah, Fox management hired Kinberg, gave him responsibilities that he was woefully ill-equipped to handle, and they haven't fired him yet.

So, yes, in the real world, there's no reason to believe that Fox management is competent in any way.

 

[WeaponXCII]

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[TheVileOne]

If there is one thing I agree with everyone on, it annoys me to no end when the press constantly brings up Fantastic Four sequels to Simon Kinberg and the actors, and they keep doing it over and over again like it's a real thing.

And maybe I'm being melodramatic, but that's my right as an American. But it really just...frustrates me. I won't say it offends me, but it frustrates me. Like I feel like all these people should know better. But then I believe they do know better and they ask anyway because it generates clicks and click bait. So w'ever.

 

[Rorschach2012]

-A Marvel partnership is the only way Fox is going to make any money on this property at this point. A Fox reboot just isn't happening. Why would Fox spend money on something they know is going to fail. They are going to take a close look at Spider-Man Homecoming, and if that makes both Sony and Marvel a bunch of money, Fox will reconsider the way they control their island of Marvel characters.
-Disney got something out of that X-Men deal. It's possible that it could be a F4 deal.
-I'm sure Disney really wants access to a lot of those Fox Marvel characters. There are enough characters involved in the F4 rights alone to keep two entire MCU phases afloat without things getting remotely stale.
-eventually Disney's endgame is to get all of the rights back or at least be able to use Fox Marvel characters if they can't fully acquire the rights. How can it not be their ultimate intention? Yeah they don't seem like they need the rights to/a partnership with the Fox properties now, but a time will come where they will need them

I really think a partnership is a matter of time. It's seriously time for all of Fox's efforts to dry up and reboot in the MCU. Deadpool can be a soft reboot because of the way he breaks the fourth wall. He can literally explain the rights deal to the audience. But yeah all the characters need to come home.

Fox isn't even in the best place right now to keep these properties. Don't they realize they would maximize their profits by partnering up? The X-Men franchise is out of steam. After they do a Sinister movie and the next Wolverine what else do they have? Deadpool is working and it doesn't even barely exist within the timeline. And F4 is at its lowest because of Foxs mishandling of the property. All eyes are on Fox to make a move. I hope they can swallow their pride and work with Disney. It's the best scenario for everyone

 

[Pannikan]

Are we even guranteed an accurate let alone good Fantastic Four movie under MARVEL ? Look at how they royally ****ed up Spider-Man (even if they kept Mary Jane the same) they changed everything else with so many other characters. For all we know MARVEL would go one step further & make it that Johnny & Sue are no longer brother & sister. What MARVEL did with Spider-Man has me worried with what they would do with the Fantastic Four & nothing is a guarantee anymore as MARVEL took way to many liberties with Spider-Man. Who knows how they would change the Fantastic Four & as Spider-Man shows they are not afraid of any big & major changes either

 

[Dark Raven]

Well, this is what I'm starting to wonder, and whether Marvel could theoretically make something worse and more bastardised than FFINO and still make it a big success, even just to show Fox they can.

And they haven't exactly kept "Mary Jane" the same, if that is even her name now and not just Michelle Johnson who ends up with the initials "MJ".

 

[Pannikan]

Well, this is what I'm starting to wonder, and whether Marvel could theoretically make something worse and more bastardised than FFINO and still make it a big success, even just to show Fox they can.

This cast looks like it could be from a The Big Bang Theory reboot & not a Spider-Man movie

 

[Pannikan]

Well, this is what I'm starting to wonder, and whether Marvel could theoretically make something worse and more bastardised than FFINO and still make it a big success, even just to show Fox they can

No success is a guarantee anymore or Batman v Superman, Ghostbusters would be big hits & the only reason Batman v Superman made as much as it did was because of the same day World Wide Release Date which most movies do not get. If Batman v Superman opened Internationally two weeks before the Domestic release its a guarantee that it bombs hard Domestically with it still getting the same reviews it got & word of mouth

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

There are no guarantees, but we know Fox doesn't have a clue and it would be nearly impossible to make a film worse than Fant4stic.

If I could be sure of getting an FF film as good as ASM2 or Thor Dark World, I'd take that.

 

[Zarex]

This cast looks like it could be from a The Big Bang Theory reboot & not a Spider-Man movie

What do you think Queens public high school students look like?

 

[Pannikan]

What do you think Queens public high school students look like?

This is a comic book movie its entertainment, not a biography or based on a true story thing its escapism from real life & fans want accurate comic characters not what real life would look like we don't go to these movies for realism especially comic book movies (look at how much of a hard time DC is having going for realism). Its sad that MARVEL decided here **** the fans & focused on making the SJW & PC crowds happy & MARVEL should rightfully suffer for it because that crowd wont support this movie the fans will & it is always the fans telling the general audience if its good or not etc MARVEL deserves a flop here if the fans turn against their take on Spider-Man because MARVEL turned against the fans for a crowd that wont even support as that same crowd certainly did not support Ghostbusters. MARVEL ****ed the fans over so why should the fans support MARVEL with this one ?

 

[jaymes_e06]

Are we even guranteed an accurate let alone good Fantastic Four movie under MARVEL ? Look at how they royally ****ed up Spider-Man (even if they kept Mary Jane the same) they changed everything else with so many other characters. For all we know MARVEL would go one step further & make it that Johnny & Sue are no longer brother & sister. What MARVEL did with Spider-Man has me worried with what they would do with the Fantastic Four & nothing is a guarantee anymore as MARVEL took way to many liberties with Spider-Man. Who knows how they would change the Fantastic Four & as Spider-Man shows they are not afraid of any big & major changes either

Agreed!

 

[Zarex]

This is a comic book movie its entertainment, not a biography or based on a true story thing its escapism from real life & fans want accurate comic characters not what real life would look like we don't go to these movies for realism especially comic book movies (look at how much of a hard time DC is having going for realism). Its sad that MARVEL decided here **** the fans & focused on making the SJW & PC crowds happy & MARVEL should rightfully suffer for it because that crowd wont support this movie the fans will & it is always the fans telling the general audience if its good or not etc MARVEL deserves a flop here if the fans turn against their take on Spider-Man because MARVEL turned against the fans for a crowd that wont even support as that same crowd certainly did not support Ghostbusters. MARVEL ****ed the fans over so why should the fans support MARVEL with this one ?

How do we know what changes Marvel has made? We know Peter, who looks as though he was torn from the pages of the comic book, has a few friends that are apparently quite a bit darker than you are comfortable with. Wait until MJ's casting is confirmed, and then you can really let people know exactly what kind of human being you are.

 

[Chris B]

While I get a lot of the concerns that people currently have over Spider-Man: Homecoming, I think that it is important to remember that none of the MCU films have been direct translations of the comics and have all had their fair share of deviation from the source material. In spite of that, Marvel has still managed to preserve the essence of why people love these characters and mythos in the first place. Not to dismiss people's concerns, but I really think that Spider-Man being such a pop culture icon is the reason why people are in more frenzy over any deviation than they were for something like GOTG.

Despite any changes, I don't see any reason why that wont be the case with Spider-Man, and should Marvel get the FF, I think it would be the case there.

 

[Spiderine]

Pannikan actually brings up a good point. I dunno what approach Marvel would take with FF because of previous FOX failures. They may feel the need to distant themselves to a point where they alter the characters somewhat. But quite frankly FOX already did that **** with FFINO that it may not be necessary.

Spiderman on the other hand is a different story. Marvel is taking a bit of a different approach with characters because the original Raimi films are so widely praised outside of SM3 of course and then there was an immediate reboot that came on its heels. You have to be very careful not to tread the same ground so u shake things up changing the look. But as long as they maintain the heart and essence of the characters and the comics it can succeed even with the most die hard fans. I can understand what Marvel is doing with Spiderman and his supporting characters in that regard. A third reboot in so little time is very difficult to pull off. Good thing for us very few people saw FFINO and barely remember those Story films.

 

[Chris B]

Pannikan actually brings up a good point. I dunno what approach Marvel would take with FF because of previous FOX failures. They may feel the need to distant themselves to a point where they alter the characters somewhat. But quite frankly FOX already did that **** with FFINO that it may not be necessary.

I don't think they'd be under the same pressure as the FF films were never the pop culture phenomenon as the Spider-Man films were at one point.

 

[Spiderine]

I don't think they'd be under the same pressure as the FF films were never the pop culture phenomenon as the Spider-Man films were at one point.

Exactly.........Those FF films were not impactful in the minds of audiences anyways. Especially the last one. If anything Marvel would likely make the most faithful adaptation with the exception of the origin. I would think they would drastically change that as not to copy whatever has been done twice now.

I hear they are already doing this with Captain Marvel because its sounds similar to Green lantern or something. This will be common with Marvel films.

 

[Jordacar]

One of my ideas for an MCU Fantastic Four is that celebrity scientist Reed Richards used to have a TV show called "Mr. Fantastic" (a bit of Mr. Wizard, a bit of Bill Nye, maybe some Mythbusters, and a big scoop of Cosmos). So he's already got the name before he and his friends go into space and get smacked by cosmic rays.

But before any of this is officially announced, wouldn't it be a hoot if a character on "Agents of SHIELD" or "Daredevil" was all "Remember on that one episode of 'Mr. Fantastic' where..." and while he/she is going on about whatever TV experiment, the rest of us are going, "Wha--did--wait--she said WHAT???!!!!"

And then like the next day they announce the FF's new release dates.

 

[Pannikan]

How do we know what changes Marvel has made? We know Peter, who looks as though he was torn from the pages of the comic book, has a few friends that are apparently quite a bit darker than you are comfortable with. Wait until MJ's casting is confirmed, and then you can really let people know exactly what kind of human being you are.

If she is not MJ but still has the MJ initials the fans still lose because the real MJ will never show up as it would just confuse people. So MJ or not the fans still lose & they ****ed up Flash probably a good thing Harry is not in this. All I can hope for is the reception of this movie is so bad that it forces MARVEL to rethink the High School setting for sequels & ditch this supporting cast. Send Peter to SHIELD (Its gonna be made official Government public again) or Tony & the Government sets up Avengers Academy & send Peter there for sequels & ditch this damn supporting cast or just have Spider-Man in other solos / Avengers like Hulk & still ditch this cast

 

[First Avenger]

Are we even guranteed an accurate let alone good Fantastic Four movie under MARVEL ? Look at how they royally ****ed up Spider-Man (even if they kept Mary Jane the same) they changed everything else with so many other characters. For all we know MARVEL would go one step further & make it that Johnny & Sue are no longer brother & sister. What MARVEL did with Spider-Man has me worried with what they would do with the Fantastic Four & nothing is a guarantee anymore as MARVEL took way to many liberties with Spider-Man. Who knows how they would change the Fantastic Four & as Spider-Man shows they are not afraid of any big & major changes either

You've seen Homecoming? Where can I watch it?

 

[Pannikan]

You've seen Homecoming? Where can I watch it?

If it takes MARVEL ****ing up the Fantastic Four this bad before some of you guys start questioning some of their decisions especially when they drastically change things so be it. Yes they have made changes before but nothing this drastic like they did with Spider-Man. Sadly the name alone will make it some money but the reception of it is thankfully just as important. We all might as well also become SJW & PC maybe we will be happier since thats all Hollywood cares about these days especially MARVEL. Look at how bad their own comics have gotten while DC Rebirth is kicking ass. Perhaps MARVEL simply got to big & popular for their own good & now thinks they can do whatever the hell they want & fans will fall in line. They need a serious flop or two to bring them back down to reality. If MARVEL wants to risk alienating the fan base so that they can make the SJW & PC crowds happy go right ahead & lets see how people respond as not even those crowds supported Ghostbusters

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Can I ask why you're in here babbling about Spider-Man? If you want to talk about Spider-Man so bad, why don't you go to the Spider-man boards?

I don't give a s*** about Spider-man and suggesting any of us should not want Marvel to make FF because Homecoming (a film that we know next to nothing about) might not be a good film is one of the bat-s*** craziest things I've ever seen on this forum.

. . . and I've seen a lot of bat-s*** crazy things on this forum.