The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[Pannikan]

Can I ask why you're in here babbling about Spider-Man? If you want to talk about Spider-Man so bad, why don't you go to the Spider-man boards?

I don't give a s*** about Spider-man and suggesting any of us should not want Marvel to make FF because Homecoming (a film that we know next to nothing about) might not be a good film is one of the bat-s*** craziest things I've ever seen on this forum.

. . . and I've seen a lot of bat-s*** crazy things on this forum.

I was just saying & comparing that for me if MARVEL does get to do a Fantastic Four movie its not a sure thing & what they did with Spider-Man does take away some "Hope" as before what they did with Spider-Man things were nicer & the sky was the limit now post Spider-Man who knows what liberties they will take with the Fantastic Four now that we know they will pretty much say "**** Our Fans"

 

[Val_Zod]

I was just saying & comparing that for me if MARVEL does get to do a Fantastic Four movie its not a sure thing & what they did with Spider-Man does take away some "Hope" as before what they did with Spider-Man things were nicer & the sky was the limit now post Spider-Man who knows what liberties they will take with the Fantastic Four now that we know they will pretty much say "**** Our Fans"

Is this for real?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I was just saying & comparing that for me if MARVEL does get to do a Fantastic Four movie its not a sure thing & what they did with Spider-Man does take away some "Hope" as before what they did with Spider-Man things were nicer & the sky was the limit now post Spider-Man who knows what liberties they will take with the Fantastic Four now that we know they will pretty much say "**** Our Fans"

Could Marvel make a bad FF film? Of course. Bad films are always possible.

But the simple fact is Fox has made two bad and one terrible FF film and none of them have been faithful.

EVERY film Marvel has ever made has been better and more faithful than any of the FF films Fox has made.

With that in mind, would I rather have Marvel make the next FF film than Fox?

Yes. Absolutely. Unquestionably. Without any doubt whatsoever. A thousand times yes.

That doesn't mean I'm sure Marvel will make a good film, but I'm not sure I'll be alive tomorrow.

I hope Marvel will make a good film and I hope I'll be alive tomorrow, and my odds are reasonably good on both.

Homecoming isn't even worth bringing into the discussion because none of us have even seen a trailer yet . . . let alone the actual film. And if it absolutely stinks, my odds are still far better with Marvel than Fox (and I'd be willing to bet my left nut Homecoming won't be worse than Fant4stic).

 

[harryoscop]

edit; wrong thread

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Maybe Marvel screws up the Fantastic Four, even with their excellent track record. It is certainly possible.

But we KNOW Fox has no idea what they are doing. They've already screwed it up multiple times, with the last one being the worst CBM ever made. I find it hard to believe that anything Marvel does can be worse than what we just got last year.

I know the saying is "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't," but in a case like this ANYTHING is better than the current situation.

 

[Pannikan]

Could Marvel make a bad FF film? Of course. Bad films are always possible.

But the simple fact is Fox has made two bad and one terrible FF film and none of them have been faithful.

EVERY film Marvel has ever made has been better and more faithful than any of the FF films Fox has made.

With that in mind, would I rather have Marvel make the next FF film than Fox?

Yes. Absolutely. Unquestionably. Without any doubt whatsoever. A thousand times yes.

That doesn't mean I'm sure Marvel will make a good film, but I'm not sure I'll be alive tomorrow.

I hope Marvel will make a good film and I hope I'll be alive tomorrow, and my odds are reasonably good on both.

Homecoming isn't even worth bringing into the discussion because none of us have even seen a trailer yet . . . let alone the actual film. And if it absolutely stinks, my odds are still far better with Marvel than Fox (and I'd be willing to bet my left nut Homecoming won't be worse than Fant4stic).

There is now the question of will it be accurate as well let alone good (sighs) I miss the good old days before the net no one even knew what SJW or PC even meant before the net or at the very least no one really cared about it

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Marvel screws up the Fantastic Four, even with their excellent track record. It is certainly possible.

But we KNOW Fox has no idea what they are doing. They've already screwed it up multiple times, with the last one being the worst CBM ever made. I find it hard to believe that anything Marvel does can be worse than what we just got last year.

I know the saying is "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't," but in a case like this ANYTHING is better than the current situation.

I certainly wouldn't want to stick with Fox. Marvel could make a worse movie than FFINO, but since they're a different studio, at least they'll have different values and a different perspective. Corman's FF may ultimately end up the most accurate, but at least Marvel should be given the chance to try.

 

[Duker Jay]

There is now the question of will it be accurate as well let alone good (sighs) I miss the good old days before the net no one even knew what SJW or PC even meant before the net or at the very least no one really cared about it

I'd still have to look up SJW.

But I do find it funny that you don't want deviations to Spider-man but would be on board him joining SHIELD's Avengers Academy.

It's almost like your only exposure to Spider-man is the Ultimate cartoon and that's the hallowed source material.

Also...is it safe to assume you didn't enjoy his portrayal in Civil War?

 

[Zarex]

There is now the question of will it be accurate as well let alone good (sighs) I miss the good old days before the net no one even knew what SJW or PC even meant before the net or at the very least no one really cared about it

I find that the only folks who use terms like Social Justice Warrior (Like Ghandi and MLK! Horrors!) and PC are extremely immature white guys who blame people who don't look like themselves for their own shortcomings. Posters may take your casting concerns more seriously if you would calm down with the labels.

It's reasonable to be concerned about a casting. Posters on this board had a healthy debate on African American Johnny Storm in FFINO. But most FF fans won't be up in arms if Marvel tries to diversify the cast by hiring an Asian Agatha Harkness.

 

[Pannikan]

I'd still have to look up SJW.

But I do find it funny that you don't want deviations to Spider-man but would be on board him joining SHIELD's Avengers Academy.

It's almost like your only exposure to Spider-man is the Ultimate cartoon and that's the hallowed source material.

Also...is it safe to assume you didn't enjoy his portrayal in Civil War?

Loved Tom in Civil War but when everything around him is unrecognizable in his own solo movie that is making me less looking forward to it but only time will tell if MARVEL stays the path with this setting or if the reaction is so bad with the new cast to the point where they gotta change a few things in the future only time will tell. I only used that setting because anything is better than what we are getting in this solo & the best thing about this movie is Aunt May & the hottest female in this movie is Aunt May let that sink in

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

There is now the question of will it be accurate as well let alone good (sighs) I miss the good old days before the net no one even knew what SJW or PC even meant before the net or at the very least no one really cared about it

As I said, EVERY Marvel film has been more accurate than the three Fox FF films (Fant4stic didn't even vaguely resemble FF).

So what studio do I trust to make an accurate FF film? Marvel. Without question,

 

[Chris B]

If it takes MARVEL ****ing up the Fantastic Four this bad before some of you guys start questioning some of their decisions especially when they drastically change things so be it. Yes they have made changes before but nothing this drastic like they did with Spider-Man. Sadly the name alone will make it some money but the reception of it is thankfully just as important. We all might as well also become SJW & PC maybe we will be happier since thats all Hollywood cares about these days especially MARVEL. Look at how bad their own comics have gotten while DC Rebirth is kicking ass. Perhaps MARVEL simply got to big & popular for their own good & now thinks they can do whatever the hell they want & fans will fall in line. They need a serious flop or two to bring them back down to reality. If MARVEL wants to risk alienating the fan base so that they can make the SJW & PC crowds happy go right ahead & lets see how people respond as not even those crowds supported Ghostbusters

That is really not true. Ant-Man and GOTG are both good examples of their films having major deviations from the comics that were in many ways bigger changes to the source material than what we've seen of Spider-Man so far. Not to mention things that were done in their other films.

At the end of the day, they've never slavishly followed the details of the comics so much as preserving the essence of why these characters and stories are beloved in the first place.

 

[Spiderine]

Loved Tom in Civil War but when everything around him is unrecognizable in his own solo movie that is making me less looking forward to it but only time will tell if MARVEL stays the path with this setting or if the reaction is so bad with the new cast to the point where they gotta change a few things in the future only time will tell. I only used that setting because anything is better than what we are getting in this solo & the best thing about this movie is Aunt May & the hottest female in this movie is Aunt May let that sink in

I think some of the points you bring up are justified but like I said before they are now on their third run of Spiderman films. You got to shake things up a bit to distance yourself from the two previous series. That much is understandable. If you don't it will feel like the audience has seen this all before. I don't know what major changes they have in store for Homecoming but it feels very much like Spectacular Spiderman in its look and feel. I don't blame Marvel one bit should they choose to take certain liberties with a few characters as long as they have the essence and feel of Spiderman in a high school setting.

Should they do the same thing with FF by all means.......I would take it anyway over that **** FOX crapped out on the big screen last year.

 

[Oscorp]

Maybe Marvel screws up the Fantastic Four, even with their excellent track record. It is certainly possible.

But we KNOW Fox has no idea what they are doing. They've already screwed it up multiple times, with the last one being the worst CBM ever made. I find it hard to believe that anything Marvel does can be worse than what we just got last year.

I know the saying is "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't," but in a case like this ANYTHING is better than the current situation.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[Pannikan]

I know the saying is "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't," but in a case like this ANYTHING is better than the current situation.

Guess we really don't know at this point but hey people were also excited when Zack Snyder was announced as the Man Of Steel director because of his visuals until we saw the finished the results. People were at the least very curious with what Josh Trank would do with the Fantastic Four after his announcement & after Chronicle until the rumors started coming out & certainly having Peter in High School again is itself a bit redundant yes ? Since he was in High School in at least 2 other movies

 

[First Avenger]

Is this for real?

He keeps saying What Marvel DID when the damn movie comes out next year and Spider-Man was great in Civil War and the Conic-Con footage apparently was excellent. I don't get it.

IMO every Marvel so far has nailed the essence of its main characters. I don't see what's so problematic about Homecoming right now.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

As a fan of comic books and comic book movies but also as a human being I want to distance myself from everything Pannikan wrote and apologize to the world

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Pannikan,

Did you miss it when Fox gave us this:

Instead of this:

and this:

Instead of this:

Why are you concerned about Marvel's accuracy instead of Fox's?

Marvel's accuracy, overall is probably at about 8 or 9 on a scale of 1-10. Fox is more like 3 or 4.

If your concern is "accuracy" specifically, you, like the rest of us, should be saying: "For God's sake, get this out of Fox's hands."

Marvel may not be a sure thing, but they're a damn better bet than Fox.

 

[Pannikan]

Pannikan,

Did you miss it when Fox gave us this:

Instead of this:

and this:

Instead of this:

Why are you concerned about Marvel's accuracy instead of Fox's?

Marvel's accuracy, overall is probably at about 8 or 9 on a scale of 1-10. Fox is more like 3 or 4.

If your concern is "accuracy" specifically, you, like the rest of us, should be saying: "For God's sake, get this out of Fox's hands."

Marvel may not be a sure thing, but they're a damn better bet than Fox.

Of course not but MARVEL could easily give us worse

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Of course not but MARVEL could easily give us worse

Based on what? Sure, if everybody at Marvel is fired and replaced by mentally challenged chimpanzees, they could completely change what they're doing and make a worse film than Fant4stic, but Marvel hasn't come close to being that bad with any films they have made so far.

Worrying about Marvel doing worse is like being in a room with a tiger and a house-cat and worrying that the house-cat might hurt you.

 

[Pannikan]

I'm just gonna wait & see what happens but if you guys are gonna be happy with She's All That: The Mary Jane Watson Edition have at it & the Comic Con Footage Description alone does not work in Z's favor of her as Mary Jane as that is not Mary Jane. Mary Jane needing a makeover of any kind but she is getting it She's All That style & that is not Mary Jane & don't get me started on this version of Flash Thompson. We will certainly see what fans think of Spider-Man: Homecoming in due time & what happens to the next Fantastic Four reboot can easily go either way after this mess gonna be hard to make it worse than this though

 

[Pannikan]

Based on what? Sure, if everybody at Marvel is fired and replaced by mentally challenged chimpanzees, they could completely change what they're doing and make a worse film than Fant4stic, but Marvel hasn't come close to being that bad with any films they have made so far.

Worrying about Marvel doing worse is like being in a room with a tiger and a house-cat and worrying that the house-cat might hurt you.

I guess you have not been keeping up with the spoilers / rumors etc Spider-Man fans should to prepare themselves for this one

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I guess you have not been keeping up with the spoilers / rumors etc Spider-Man fans should to prepare themselves for this one

No I haven't, but you've posted some things here and none of them have come close to the level of being as inaccurate as Fant4stic.

From what I know, Spider-man is the alter ego of Peter Parker - a high school student who was bitten by a radioactive spider - and he looks like this:

http://cdn.****************.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Spider-Man-01-670x337.jpg

Those bits of information alone lead me to believe it will be far, far, FAR more accurate than Fant4stic.

If you would like to convince me otherwise, give me a list of 10 things about homecoming that won't be accurate and then I'll give you a list of 10 things about Fant4stic and we'll see which seem worse.

 

[First Avenger]

Willie you make too much sense.

 

[Pannikan]

No I haven't, but you've posted some things here and none of them have come close to the level of being as inaccurate as Fant4stic.

From what I know, Spider-man is the alter ego of Peter Parker - a high school student who was bitten by a radioactive spider - and he looks like this:

http://cdn.****************.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Spider-Man-01-670x337.jpg

Those bits of information alone lead me to believe it will be far, far, FAR more accurate than Fant4stic.

If you would like to convince me otherwise, give me a list of 10 things about homecoming that won't be accurate and then I'll give you a list of 10 things about Fant4stic and we'll see which seem worse.

I guess you are not actually a Spider-Man fan if you dont care about how the people around him are being screwed up. I don't know if I want FOX to keep making movies or let MARVEL make Fox look good not sure what would be better but MARVEL ****ing up Fantastic Four would wake you guys up after the in denial phase or you guys stay in denial forever