The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[Willie Lumpkin]

It doesn't matter what comic some of these characters first appeared in. Certain rights to characters are bundled with other properties. Remember seeing Ronan in GOTG? What comic did he first appear in?

The same one Black Panther and The Inhumans First appeared in?

 

[Abudefduf]

It doesn't matter what comic some of these characters first appeared in. Certain rights to characters are bundled with other properties.

...and I mistakenly assumed the Savage Land rights were part of the X-Men bundle, for obvious reasons.

But now, now the truth has finally been revelead to me; now I know.

Seriously though, I wouldn't mind a SL movie from Marvel Studios. It's such a crazy concept, it'd be interesting to see how they'd handle it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I didn't know any of that, but I guess it makes sense. I wonder if Marvel Studios are ever gonna do anything with those right, though.

They talked about doing a Ka-Zar movie a number of years ago, but nothing came of it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'd be interested in seeing Savage Land, but I think it could face some hurdles getting made. It's not really a superhero property, and I see it as more comparable to things like Conan, John Carter and Tarzan.

And films based on those properties haven't exactly been box-office gold (while being better known than Savage Land by most people).

 

[regnak]

I'd be interested in seeing Savage Land, but I think it could face some hurdles getting made. It's not really a superhero property, and I see it as more comparable to things like Conan, John Carter and Tarzan.

And films based on those properties haven't exactly been box-office gold (while being better known than Savage Land by most people).

Like I said a few months back in the X-Men forums if Fox was smart they would trade the FF rights for the Savage Land rights. X-Men vs Dinosaurs=$$$.

 

[Val_Zod]

I'd be interested in seeing Savage Land, but I think it could face some hurdles getting made. It's not really a superhero property, and I see it as more comparable to things like Conan, John Carter and Tarzan.

And films based on those properties haven't exactly been box-office gold (while being better known than Savage Land by most people).

That wouldn't have to be a problem if you make it the backdrop of an Avengers film and then spin it off into its own thing with Kazar after people learn its part of the MCU.

 

[Jordacar]

Was the Savage Land ever the backdrop for a big crossover (other than Secret Invasion, of course)? Even having read a ton of X-comics from all the way back, I still feel like it hasn't been utilized to its full potential even in the comics.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Was the Savage Land ever the backdrop for a big crossover (other than Secret Invasion, of course)? Even having read a ton of X-comics from all the way back, I still feel like it hasn't been utilized to its full potential even in the comics.

I never read any 'big crossovers' (that doesn't mean they don't exist, I haven't read 95% of what's out there), but I do have this in my attic somewhere:

 

[Zarex]

Two-In-One was a wonderful showcase for Marvel's most likable character. After dabbling in DC the first Marvel comic I ever bought was the 2nd in the series and included this scene:

After that I was hooked. A superhero accepting a reward and relishing a fight were the types of behavior you would never see from the JLAers.

 

[Dark Raven]

Ben Grimm had some great adventures in Marvel Two-in-One. It's a shame we don't even have the flagship title of FF now, let alone a Thing comic.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Two-In-One was a wonderful showcase for Marvel's most likable character. After dabbling in DC the first Marvel comic I ever bought was the 2nd in the series and included this scene:

After that I was hooked. A superhero accepting a reward and relishing a fight were the types of behavior you would never see from the JLAers.

Two-in-one is how I got most of my knowledge of the Marvel Universe. I bought FF and Two-in-One religiously and then when an interesting character (like Man-Thing or Ghost-Rider) was featured in Two-In-One, I'd get interested in those characters and buy one of their issues to learn more.

And I think a Two-In-One/Team-up model could be a good model for long-term sustainability of the MCU. Now that they are establishing some of the key characters, it will be fun to see those characters mixed and matched to keep things fresh and interesting.

It sounds like we'll get a taste of that in Thor Ragnarok, but the long-term possibilities are endless:

Spider-Man and Iron-Man
Captain America and Black Panther
Dr. Strange and Ant-Man

etc. etc. etc. Each new combination would provide an interesting mixing of characters, personalities and abilities and keep things constantly fresh. The problem with the Sony Spider-Man films is they became very repetitive. Sure, we've seen some different villains, but for the 60-70% of the film that didn't feature the villains, it was Spider-Man/Peter Parker and his friends and those stories became dull and repetitive.

With a constant shuffling of characters (and it doesn't always have to be two, we could get stories with three or four heroes), there will be a different feel to every film.

... and if Fox and Marvel could Partner, we could see things like: Cyclops, Spider-Man and Human Torch in one film. Wolverine, Thing and Thor in another etc. etc. etc.

 

[ADollarADay]

It doesn't matter what comic some of these characters first appeared in. Certain rights to characters are bundled with other properties. Remember seeing Ronan in GOTG? What comic did he first appear in?

Yeah, didn't Wolverine first appear in Hulk?

 

[Orba]

Yeah, didn't Wolverine first appear in Hulk?

Yup, and Rogue in the Avengers, and Sabretooth in Ironfist to name just a couple. But all Mutants are all a part of the X-Men film rights unless they were bundled with another set of film rights. It doesn't matter where they first appeared.

 

[Darkraid]

Really hope Dr Doom and Galactus are the big bads from Phase 4-6.

FF really deserves to have a good movie in MCU where it truly belongs.

I'm thinking, what if they make FF and Doom adventurers in the 70s that got lost in the Negative Zone and got busted out where the Avengers fought Thanos?

They can appear in the end credits for Infinity War.

 

[Jordacar]

I just realize that Phase 4-6 could get a ton of mileage out of simply shifting the focus to the Marvel heroes that were previously tied up with other studios and had previous and/or lackluster film adaptations, ie FF, Spidey, Punisher, Silver Surfer, possibly even the X-Men.

 

[DawnWarrior]

Really hope Dr Doom and Galactus are the big bads from Phase 4-6.

FF really deserves to have a good movie in MCU where it truly belongs.

I'm thinking, what if they make FF and Doom adventurers in the 70s that got lost in the Negative Zone and got busted out where the Avengers fought Thanos?

They can appear in the end credits for Infinity War.

I thought about that a while back too, but I'm not sure if they'd go for it. Partly because it's sort of repeating Captain America; it's fine for Cap because the whole man-out-of-time thing is part of his actual story, but not so much for the FF. And hell, they might still do that with Wasp in one of the Ant-Man sequels, which would make it even more repetitive.

 

[Dasher10]

Any news on the Hulk rights reverting? If Thor 3 does well enough, is there hope that Marvel and Universal will work out a deal for a sequel?

 

[Zant]

Any news on the Hulk rights reverting? If Thor 3 does well enough, is there hope that Marvel and Universal will work out a deal for a sequel?

The Avengers films have done more than well. Thats more than enough reason for a deal to be done for a Hulk solo but Universal are possibly even more stubborn than FOX. They don't get along with Disney. Something about theme park character rights.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Does anybody have a clear understanding of what's going on with Fox and their upcoming movies?

As far as I know, the only thing that's definite is Wolverine, but then there are a bunch of 'Mystery Movies'.

Presumably there will be a Deadpool 2, and then I've heard people talking about things like New Mutants and Gambit, but why aren't they just saying: "Here's what we're making and when." ?

Are they just not sure themselves yet and keeping options open?

You would think by now they would have firm plans for 2017 and 2018, so why not just announce what those plans are?

 

[ADollarADay]

Any news on the Hulk rights reverting? If Thor 3 does well enough, is there hope that Marvel and Universal will work out a deal for a sequel?

No publicly information is known on the original distribution contracts for Hulk. I have heard things that he's being "leased" to Marvel when he shows up in Avengers from one place and that the distribution expires after 10 years from the last movie from another. It's all hearsay, no one really knows. Based on the book "Marvel the untold story" and the publicly available theme park rights contract, the one thing we know for sure is those contracts were very heavily one sided, and not in Marvel's side.

Does anybody have a clear understanding of what's going on with Fox and their upcoming movies?

As far as I know, the only thing that's definite is Wolverine, but then there are a bunch of 'Mystery Movies'.

Presumably there will be a Deadpool 2, and then I've heard people talking about things like New Mutants and Gambit, but why aren't they just saying: "Here's what we're making and when." ?

Are they just not sure themselves yet and keeping options open?

You would think by now they would have firm plans for 2017 and 2018, so why not just announce what those plans are?

Fan4stic 2: Fantastic Bugaloo

rumor has it a lucky SHH member will get exclusive tickets to preview this amazing sequel.

In all seriousness, the only known quantities are "Logan" in March 2017 - which will be Jackman's swan song and will most likely suck - and Deadpool 2, presumably in fall 2017, so they can start milking that franchise dry.

 

[Dasher10]

No publicly information is known on the original distribution contracts for Hulk. I have heard things that he's being "leased" to Marvel when he shows up in Avengers from one place and that the distribution expires after 10 years from the last movie from another. It's all hearsay, no one really knows. Based on the book "Marvel the untold story" and the publicly available theme park rights contract, the one thing we know for sure is those contracts were very heavily one sided, and not in Marvel's side.

Does that imply that Marvel gets the rights back in 2018 or that Universal's rights are extended every time Hulk get used?

 

[Dasher10]

I still feel like Fantastic Four is dead in the water. Fox are just seeing how their new partnership with Marvel goes with Legion before seeing if they'll give Marvel creative control over a new Fantastic Four reboot.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Fan4stic 2: Fantastic Bugaloo

rumor has it a lucky SHH member will get exclusive tickets to preview this amazing sequel.

 

[The Overlord]

So who should be the villain in a Marvel made FF movie?

It can't be Doom, Doom is one of my favorite super villains, but Fox has screwed him up so much, that he needs to introduced properly, which would mean building him up over the course of several films.

So that leaves Doom out and Galactus, because you wouldn't start with Galactus either.

So who does leave us with? Well frankly, I think once you get past Doom and Galactus, the FF's rogues gallery starts looking pretty lame.

So here's another question, should the villain of the FF film be a compelling character in his own right or just a throw away villain who moves the plot forward and doesn't do much else, like most of the MCU villains.

Wizard seems like the perfect throwaway villain, I never cared about him in the comics, I always found him dull, never compelling. You could turn him into some corporate slime ball and it might be a step up for him (unlike Doom, where it is a huge step down). A true to the comics Wizard, does seem like a good choice, if you just want another throwaway villain.

Red Ghost is one of those characters that time has not been kind to, he seems like a throw back to outdated political stereotypes from the Cold War rather then a character that is relevant to now. I think even as a throwaway villain he would need some revamping, to be a compelling villain, he would need a lot of revamping.

Mole Man could go either way, he is a character who has his moments, but often does seem dull and directionless in the comics. Its easy to make him a throwaway villain, but some revamping, he could be compelling.

Mad Thinker is another character who goes from compelling to dull all the time. I think my favorite version of the character was the morally ambiguous version of him from New Warriors, in the FF comics, he just seems like another generic mad scientist. So he could be compelling or throwaway, depending on what the film makers did.

I like Annihilus in Annihilation, but often goes down like a punk in the FF title, Hickman had Torch humiliate Annihilus in his run. I also think Annihilus is bit too epic a foe to start off with.

Do you think they should go with one of those characters as the villain or someone else? Should the villain be a throwaway character or compelling in their own right?

 

[Darkraid]

Does anybody have a clear understanding of what's going on with Fox and their upcoming movies?

As far as I know, the only thing that's definite is Wolverine, but then there are a bunch of 'Mystery Movies'.

Presumably there will be a Deadpool 2, and then I've heard people talking about things like New Mutants and Gambit, but why aren't they just saying: "Here's what we're making and when." ?

Are they just not sure themselves yet and keeping options open?

You would think by now they would have firm plans for 2017 and 2018, so why not just announce what those plans are?

I don't think Gambit will ever happen now. Wolverine's run is gonna end. X-Men franchise seems to be in a crossroad where there aren't enough characters interesting enough to hold the franchise up. Except for Deadpool.