The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 7

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The FF origin was just a few pages in the comics and I don't know why it should ever be more than 5 minutes of screen time.

I'd like to see more time spent on Doom's origin than the FF origin.
 
If the new Spiderman is any indication of what Marvel would do with an origin then they are not going to spend a lot of time exploring it again after previous films have done it. Reed would probably already be one of the leading scientific minds in the world. And Doom would be an established dictator growing in power or already influential among nations in the world.

There is no better way then to have them get their powers as a result of Thanos manipulations caused by the infinity gems and whatever chaos he causes on earth. You easily explain their powers as a direct result of infinity wars thus tying them in immediately with that story and set up phase 4.

And I agree with Willie. The story should be more centered on Doom's rise to power in the aftermath of Infinity War.
 
After an action packed sequence to open the film, we relive a condensed version of the origin via Ben's nightmare.
 
Ben will have a nightmare that he has no dick and goes round pantless, that the four suffer body horror, that their greatest enemy Doom wears a trash bag, that Johnny has speakers and Reed has springs while Sue has a bad wig. Then he'll wake up in a sweat, feel around in his undies to check, breathe a sigh of relief that it was only a dream and switch on the TV to clear his head. Then he'll see Fant4stic playing on the tube. :o
 
The FF origin was just a few pages in the comics and I don't know why it should ever be more than 5 minutes of screen time.

I'd like to see more time spent on Doom's origin than the FF origin.

If you mean the big Kaboom in college, that would be fine with me.
 
Ben will have a nightmare that he has no dick and goes round pantless, that the four suffer body horror, that their greatest enemy Doom wears a trash bag, that Johnny has speakers and Reed has springs while Sue has a bad wig. Then he'll wake up in a sweat, feel around in his undies to check, breathe a sigh of relief that it was only a dream and switch on the TV to clear his head. Then he'll see Fant4stic playing on the tube. :o

That is one SCARY nightmare.
 
Ben will have a nightmare that he has no dick and goes round pantless, that the four suffer body horror, that their greatest enemy Doom wears a trash bag, that Johnny has speakers and Reed has springs while Sue has a bad wig. Then he'll wake up in a sweat, feel around in his undies to check, breathe a sigh of relief that it was only a dream and switch on the TV to clear his head. Then he'll see Fant4stic playing on the tube. :o
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Ben will have a nightmare that he has no dick and goes round pantless, that the four suffer body horror, that their greatest enemy Doom wears a trash bag, that Johnny has speakers and Reed has springs while Sue has a bad wig. Then he'll wake up in a sweat, feel around in his undies to check, breathe a sigh of relief that it was only a dream and switch on the TV to clear his head. Then he'll see Fant4stic playing on the tube. :o
This is the best Twilight Zone episode that never existed.
 
The FF origin was just a few pages in the comics and I don't know why it should ever be more than 5 minutes of screen time.

I'd like to see more time spent on Doom's origin than the FF origin.

If Marvel could do a limited Netflix series devoted to Doom's backstory, via Ed Brubaker's masterpiece "Books of Doom."

To finally see Doom done justice in time to become Marvel's single greatest onscreen villain, one that will rival or even surpass Darth Vader...it can be done...it just has to have the right presence, screenplay, motivations, etc...

Until then...I dream...
 
I'd rather not go too deep into telling Doom's backstory in a movie because I feel it would work better to keep an air of mystery about his past while focusing more on his character, motivation, and goals. Kind of like what they did with Black Panther.

However I love the idea of a short netflix series based of Books of Doom. It would be a great promotional piece for and F4 movie which, lets be honest, might be tough to convince audience to get on board after Fan4stic. A way to build buzz and do something different and unique on netflix
 
A series on netflix to promote a movie would never happen. Otherwise the filmmakers run into the issue of most of their audience never watching it and having to re-explain certain things.
 
A Doom Netflix series would be a dream come true.
 
A Netflix series for most of these major Marvel characters would be a dream come true. In a perfect world where budget is not a concern, a series would be the best fit for any comic book character that was designed to have stories told over "episodes" and get fully fleshed out.
 
I disagree. It works for Daredevil and the others because they are focusing on "street-level" stories instead of bigger picture threats.

Doctor Doom could not be fully realized on a TV budget.

The other reason it wouldn't be a dream come true, it pretty much keeps Doom on TV and never being able to interact with the bigger characters onscreen since Marvel Film and Marvel TV are so hands off each other these days.
 
That's why I said in a perfect world where budget was not a concern. And I'll also add where the TV and Film sections of the MCU were not so separate.
 
Ben will have a nightmare that he has no dick and goes round pantless, that the four suffer body horror, that their greatest enemy Doom wears a trash bag, that Johnny has speakers and Reed has springs while Sue has a bad wig. Then he'll wake up in a sweat, feel around in his undies to check, breathe a sigh of relief that it was only a dream and switch on the TV to clear his head. Then he'll see Fant4stic playing on the tube. :o

Man, that is GRIMM.
 
I disagree. It works for Daredevil and the others because they are focusing on "street-level" stories instead of bigger picture threats.

Doctor Doom could not be fully realized on a TV budget.

The other reason it wouldn't be a dream come true, it pretty much keeps Doom on TV and never being able to interact with the bigger characters onscreen since Marvel Film and Marvel TV are so hands off each other these days.
That's why I'm wondering what they could do with a Sherlock-style series, and what the same budget that they stretch across 13 episodes of Daredevil or Luke Cage would look like squeezed into 3 (or hey maybe :ff:) feature-length episodes per season. And it'd be cool if the good Doctor loomed over much of the action the way Moriarty does on that show.
 
A series on netflix to promote a movie would never happen. Otherwise the filmmakers run into the issue of most of their audience never watching it and having to re-explain certain things.
That's why I pointed out the Black Panther comparison. In the film we start with Doom already in power, his backstory covered in well written dialog that does drag the film and we can jump into the current story. The we also get to see his full backstory
I disagree. It works for Daredevil and the others because they are focusing on "street-level" stories instead of bigger picture threats.

Doctor Doom could not be fully realized on a TV budget.

The other reason it wouldn't be a dream come true, it pretty much keeps Doom on TV and never being able to interact with the bigger characters onscreen since Marvel Film and Marvel TV are so hands off each other these days.

You can definitely do it on a budget, it's amazing the effects you can do on a budget these days. Plus an adaptation of Book of Doom would not necessarily need that great of a budget.

I'm also only picturing a miniseries. 6-8 episodes no season 2, not an on-going series. I'd be something like Breaking Bad, where we see Victor grow up to become the villain: Doctor Doom. From his childhood where his mother practiced the dark arts and the Latverian government being abusive towards his people. His studying in America, meeting Richards, and getting scarred during an experiment. Him throwing himself into the dark arts, successfully merging technology and magic. Final episode would be him crafting the suit as a weapon with a perfect blend of magic and technology and using it to overthrow the latverian. Final Shot is him on the thrown.

The only reason the films and tv are "hands off" is just logistics. Getting schedules to line up is enough to squash any projects let alone negotiating pay for movie actors, not to mention the productions of tv and films are incredibly out of sync. If the MCU focused that much on needless cameos they'd loose sight of the actual story. Having their own corners of the universe really is for the best, the shows have to stand up on their own to be worth anything. Plus it's probably a lot less headaches for anyone coordinating it.

My ideal Doom series could work without almost any the actors from the film. Assuming the experiment scene will cast younger actors anyway, you can also just have the actor for Doom in the film do voice work when the suit gets put on and cast another younger actor to portray pre-suit Doom. Series is more of a character study of Doom.

Man now I really want this fictious show idea to be real.
 
I'm also only picturing a miniseries. 6-8 episodes no season 2, not an on-going series. I'd be something like Breaking Bad, where we see Victor grow up to become the villain: Doctor Doom. From his childhood where his mother practiced the dark arts and the Latverian government being abusive towards his people. His studying in America, meeting Richards, and getting scarred during an experiment. Him throwing himself into the dark arts, successfully merging technology and magic. Final episode would be him crafting the suit as a weapon with a perfect blend of magic and technology and using it to overthrow the latverian. Final Shot is him on the thrown.
Thinking about the dumpster fire that is every attempt by Fox at giving us Doom makes me realize how much more I want this. :hmr:
 
Doom, the Early Years, wouldn't require a huge budget, but it would require scripts and directing far better than 90% of the shows out there to:

1. Properly represent Doom
2. Be entertaining through a number of episodes

It's not the budget that makes Agents of Shield unworthy of the Marvel Universe. It's the generally poor storytelling and dull content.
 
Doom, the Early Years, wouldn't require a huge budget, but it would require scripts and directing far better than 90% of the shows out there to:

1. Properly represent Doom
2. Be entertaining through a number of episodes

It's not the budget that makes Agents of Shield unworthy of the Marvel Universe. It's the generally poor storytelling and dull content.

Especially the first season or two! That was some of the worst garbage I've ever seen! As a Marvel zombie, I stuck with them but I can't blame anyone for not watching it. What Marvel should do is a Doom origin with F4 in the background on tv of the movie. They are superhero celebrities so every move they make could be on tv. A solo Doom movie could really bring out every aspect of the character, including his magic side which has never been explored on film due to Fox's dumb and short sited-ness(made up word)when it comes to their Marvel films. Doom could carry his own film because he's popular enough to do so. He's top 3 in popularity among comic villains and arguably more popular than the F4, the group he battles. How stupid could Fox be to mess up that franchise that includes F4, Doom, Galactus and Silver Surfer?! :huh:
 
Especially the first season or two! That was some of the worst garbage I've ever seen! As a Marvel zombie, I stuck with them but I can't blame anyone for not watching it. What Marvel should do is a Doom origin with F4 in the background on tv of the movie. They are superhero celebrities so every move they make could be on tv. A solo Doom movie could really bring out every aspect of the character, including his magic side which has never been explored on film due to Fox's dumb and short sited-ness(made up word)when it comes to their Marvel films. Doom could carry his own film because he's popular enough to do so. He's top 3 in popularity among comic villains and arguably more popular than the F4, the group he battles. How stupid could Fox be to mess up that franchise that includes F4, Doom, Galactus and Silver Surfer?! :huh:

I was thinking of something that would go back to Doom's childhood in Latveria that featured his mother and father and their struggles with the nobility in Latveria.

The trick is you need to give viewers something to root for to keep them watching, and who wants to root for the ultimate bad guy?

I would create a really nasty aristocracy within Latveria and make them so selfish that the viewers would be rooting for the poor peasant boy to have his way with them.

You don't want Doom to be overly sympathetic. He's still, even as a child, a pretty nasty guy, but I would go for a tone similar to Hannibal. And if the Latverian aristocracy was done right, I can imagine viewers rooting for the poor peasant boy to kill the bastards - without actually being overly sympathetic to the Doom character himself.

And seeing the nasty environment Doom grew up in would help explain how he got the way he eventually became. He would become more like the people he hated than he would ever admit to himself.
 
I was thinking of something that would go back to Doom's childhood in Latveria that featured his mother and father and their struggles with the nobility in Latveria.

The trick is you need to give viewers something to root for to keep them watching, and who wants to root for the ultimate bad guy?

I would create a really nasty aristocracy within Latveria and make them so selfish that the viewers would be rooting for the poor peasant boy to have his way with them.

You don't want Doom to be overly sympathetic. He's still, even as a child, a pretty nasty guy, but I would go for a tone similar to Hannibal. And if the Latverian aristocracy was done right, I can imagine viewers rooting for the poor peasant boy to kill the bastards - without actually being overly sympathetic to the Doom character himself.

And seeing the nasty environment Doom grew up in would help explain how he got the way he eventually became. He would become more like the people he hated than he would ever admit to himself.

I think Doom's mother will look like this:

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