The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 7

[Willie Lumpkin]

Its a reasonable non lying response to a leading question: "partner up... as you did with Sony" invites a truthful denial as I cant see Marvel offering that same kind of collaboration to Fox (or Fox asking for it).

It would be amusingly farcical to imagine executives actually telling the truth in these situations.

"Well we were planning a big reveal at the 2017 Comic-con in which we would show Infinity War concept art that included some epic images of Doom in full armor... but since you asked, I'm bound by honor to not hold anything back and provide complete information that goes beyond what you even asked.

We have obtained the complete FF rights and Galactus and Doom will be in Infinity Wars. I have the full script for film 1 and a partial, rough script for the second film that I'll provide for publication.

I also have the social security numbers for Robert Downey Junior, Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth just so you don't accuse me of holding anything back. . . "

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

As for this newest interview - this is exactly what I expected. Anyone thinking that Fox and Marvel were about to jump into bed together in any significant capacity were fooling themselves. I'm fine with Marvel helping Sony out, but leave Fox out to keep throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks.

I think the thing that seems most telling about Feige and Gunn's recent comments is there isn't likely to be a Fox/Marvel partnership.

Marvel is likely to get the FF rights and go it alone and it's just a question of when they get those rights.

If Marvel isn't willing to partner with Fox and/or Fox isn't willing to partner with Marvel, there's as close to zero chance as imaginable that we'll ever see a Fox logo on another FF film.t:

 

[Dark Raven]

It would be amusingly farcical to imagine executives actually telling the truth in these situations.

"Well we were planning a big reveal at the 2017 Comic-con in which we would show Infinity War concept art that included some epic images of Doom in full armor... but since you asked, I'm bound by honor to not hold anything back and provide complete information that goes beyond what you even asked.

We have obtained the complete FF rights and Galactus and Doom will be in Infinity Wars. I have the full script for film 1 and a partial, rough script for the second film that I'll provide for publication.

I also have the social security numbers for Robert Downey Junior, Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth just so you don't accuse me of holding anything back. . . "

Feige: "I have Josh Trank's social security number, credit card details, passport number, address and dog microchip number. You'll know where to find him, and you'll know what to do."

 

[AlluAllu]

It's true that Feigi wouldn't spill the beans on an review interview but in the past he has said something like "who knows what future holds". I believe that he truly wanted to convey to us that Fox characters aren't coming home any time soon.

 

[wobbly]

I never believed for one minute Fox/Marvel would collaborate on anything FF related. Maybe Xmen perhaps? Any deal made would involve characters back into Marvel fold and some concessions to Fox. They wouldn't inform us of that anymore than Feige telling us they just got the rights to Ego before it happened.

Fox are not in anything like the trouble Sony was, so unless they 'do a Sony' with their X-Verse moving forwards (making them continuing alone untenable...Hello Simon...) any 'partnership' seems highly unlikely at best.

It's not inconceivable they might go for a one off 'Avengers Vs X-Men' crossover in the future (like several years from now, an alternate world crossover thing like the TV series Flash & Supergirl), but that's are far as I can see either being willing to go. I wouldn't consider that option likely either tbh, but it is at least a possibility they might consider down the line. As things stand atm? I think Fox will continue alone with all things X-Men for a good while yet.

Fantastic Four is fubared big time with Fox though. Wouldn't help them out for one second after they messed them up so bad....Could just imagine that desperate phone call...

Kinberg: "Hi Kevin, listen, we really need your help with the FF. We know we ###ked up bad, but we really really wanna reboot them into your MCU. You call all the shots, well most of them, but we keep the rights. That ok by you?"

Feige: "April Fool come early has it?"

Kinberg: "I'm serious dude, I already wrote a screenplay. RDJ will love what I've done with Stark. He's gonna get drunk on a few sips from a hip flask, be fused to his iron-man suit and be able to blow peoples heads off just by looking at them. It'll be awesome!!"

Feige: "That sounds uncomfortably familiar Simon....What about the FF?"

Kinberg: "Who cares about them? We get RDJ and the MCU!!"

Feige: " Simon...I have to go, I have another call...."

Kinberg: "You really don't do you? You're just being polite before hanging up."

Feige: "And there I was thinking you were a complete idiot. You're just mostly an idiot. Have fun trying to convince Fox shareholders another FF film is worthwhile, bye now."

Kinberg: "But RDJ!!" We need his goatee...pleeeeasse!! Kevin? You still there?....Kevin?" ....Aww ###k it."

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's true that Feigi wouldn't spill the beans on an review but in the past he has said something like "who knows what future holds". I believe that he truly wanted to convey to us that Fox characters aren't coming home any time soon.

I would say he wanted to convey that the studios wouldn't be working together and there wouldn't be the X-Men/Avengers crossover that many are talking about any time soon.

Could Marvel get the FF or could Marvel already have FF? I don't think his statement addressed that question in any direct way - because that question wasn't asked.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Fox are not in anything like the trouble Sony was, so unless they 'do a Sony' with their X-Verse moving forwards (making them continuing alone untenable...Hello Simon...) any 'partnership' seems highly unlikely at best.

It's not inconceivable they might go for a one off 'Avengers Vs X-Men' crossover in the future (like several years from now, an alternate world crossover thing like the TV series Flash & Supergirl), but that's are far as I can see either being willing to go. I wouldn't consider that option likely either tbh, but it is at least a possibility they might consider down the line. As things stand atm? I think Fox will continue alone with all things X-Men for a good while yet.

Fantastic Four is fubared big time with Fox though. Wouldn't help them out for one second after they messed them up so bad....Could just imagine that desperate phone call...

Kinberg: "Hi Kevin, listen, we really need your help with the FF. We know we ###ked up bad, but we really really wanna reboot them into your MCU. You call all the shots, well most of them, but we keep the rights. That ok by you?"

Feige: "April Fool come early has it?"

Kinberg: "I'm serious dude, I already wrote a screenplay. RDJ will love what I've done with Stark. He's gonna get drunk on a few sips from a hip flask, be fused to his iron-man suit and be able to blow peoples heads off just by looking at them. It'll be awesome!!"

Feige: "That sounds uncomfortably familiar Simon....What about the FF?"

Kinberg: "Who cares about them? We get RDJ and the MCU!!"

Feige: " Simon...I have to go, I have another call...."

Kinberg: "You really don't do you? You're just being polite before hanging up."

Feige: "And there I was thinking you were a complete idiot. You're just mostly an idiot. Have fun trying to convince Fox shareholders another FF film is worthwhile, bye now."

Kinberg: "But RDJ!!" We need his goatee...pleeeeasse!! Kevin? You still there?....Kevin?" ....Aww ###k it."

It does seem like his statement may indicate Marvel intends to play hard-ball. "We have enough characters to make films for the next 100 years. We don't need s*** from Fox. They could probably use some things we have, but we don't need anything from them."

 

[Endeavor]

It's true that Feigi wouldn't spill the beans on an review but in the past he has said something like "who knows what future holds". I believe that he truly wanted to convey to us that Fox characters aren't coming home any time soon.

That's not the question he was asked. He was asked if Marvel was going to do a Sony-like co production deal with FOX.

 

[AlluAllu]

Technically correct. Which is the best kind of correct.

Still, I think that the chance of FF in MCU before the rights naturally reset is smaller now.

 

[ehh]

After the Marvel presentation at the Disney 2015 expo, someone asked Feige if Spider-Man was in the MCU. He answered with something along the lines of, "I only announce what is set in stone, if anything else is in the works I won't announce it until we have it figured out." Something like that--if someone can find a link that would be great. And then we found out that they were working on a deal the whole time and they just weren't ready to announce Spider-Man in the MCU.

With X-Men, he's outright saying it's impossible.

 

[Flint Marko]

After the Marvel presentation at the Disney 2015 expo, someone asked Feige if Spider-Man was in the MCU. He answered with something along the lines of, "I only announce what is set in stone, if anything else is in the works I won't announce it until we have it figured out." Something like that--if someone can find a link that would be great. And then we found out that they were working on a deal the whole time and they just weren't ready to announce Spider-Man in the MCU.

With X-Men, he's outright saying it's impossible.

Interesting, I don't quite recall him saying that but I'd be curious to see what his actual quote was.

 

[ehh]

Interesting, I don't quite recall him saying that but I'd be curious to see what his actual quote was.

Yeah, he didn't say those words verbatim, but he said something along those lines. I'm trying to find some kind of link and it's driving me nuts.

 

[ehh]

Okay, so I found this link:

Before the Deal:

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2390823

“Anything that wasn't specifically and obviously revealed today is either not true at all, or still rumor until it’s worked out.” - Kevin Feige

===

After the deal:

http://screenrant.com/marvel-phase-3-spider-man-plans/

“Spider-Man we knew about when we were doing that announcement in October. It could have gone either way, and Marvel as you well know doesn’t announce announce anything officially until it’s set in stone. So we went forward with that Plan A in October, with the Plan B being, if it were to happen with Sony, how it would all shift. We’ve been thinking about it as long as we’ve been thinking about Phase Three.”

So Kevin Feige never denied a Spider-Man deal, he sort of dodged it. And THEN the e-mail hacks came about and we know how everything ended up with Spider-Man joining the MCU.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hypothetically, let's imagine Marvel has the rights:


Question: Fox controls the film rights to “The X-Men” and “The Fantastic Four.” Could you partner with them on a movie as you did with Sony?

Answer: It’s an impossibility at this juncture. We certainly have enough films to keep us busy for a number of lifetimes.



Where's the lie? A lie of omission at best and there's no executive of any business ever who hasn't strategically withheld information.

They don't control the rights.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

They don't control the rights.

I presume this is true.

Because I presume it is true (and don't know with certainty that it's true), it's a presumption, not a fact.

 

[Flint Marko]

Okay, so I found this link:

Before the Deal:

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2390823



===

After the deal:

http://screenrant.com/marvel-phase-3-spider-man-plans/



So Kevin Feige never denied a Spider-Man deal, he sort of dodged it. And THEN the e-mail hacks came about and we know how everything ended up with Spider-Man joining the MCU.

Very interesting, thanks for finding that.

 

[ehh]

Very interesting, thanks for finding that.

No problem.

When Feige said, “Anything that wasn't specifically and obviously revealed today is either not true at all, or still rumor until it’s worked out,” he was clearly referring to Spider-Man.

 

[TheVileOne]

I understand that FFINO was so traumatic, fans think they need to believe in this idea. However, believing in Santa Clause doesn't make him real.

 

[ehh]

I do believe that the Fantastic 4 will be with Marvel eventually. The question is... when? They could potentially make a deal similar to Sony/Spider-Man, they could let the rights expire, or they could sell the rights back to Marvel.

I think the latter is the least likely because Marvel does not "need" the Fantastic 4. Why should they pay to get the property back? I could see Fox letting the rights to F4 expire, similar to Daredevil, but I imagine that they will end up rebooting again before that happens and try again.

Other than that... who the hell knows?

 

[Chris B]

I didn't find anything disconcerting in Feige's remarks myself. The circumstances surrounding the Spider-Man deal were unique to that situation and there was plenty of incentive for Marvel and Sony to pair up. That isn't the case with a damaged property like the Fantastic Four, and while I actually don't think that it is impossible that it could happen someday, or the X-Men at the moment. And honestly a full reversion is better than a sharing deal for any of the licensed character.

Regardless, I'm still optimistic that the FF rights will revert back to Marvel for free in six years or they'll make some kind of deal on an early reversion. Albeit the former seems more likely than the latter atm.

 

[ehh]

I can believe that FF will be in the MCU in the foreseeable future. X-Men is a whole different story, based on how big and long lasting the franchise has been for Fox, and of course based on Feige's comments.

 

[Dasher10]

I'm hoping that Marvel are still able to gain shared rights to certain characters with Fox in the same way that Marvel got Quicksilver and Ego back. I'd look for a way to get the following characters in a shared pool.

Stuff from the X-Men Rights: Viper, Cytorrak and Juggernaut, The Shi'Ar, Abigail Brand, GW Bridge, Henry Peter Gyrich, Phalanx/Technarchy

Stuff from the Fantastic Four rights: more of the Skrulls, Annihilus, Blastaar, The Badoon, Kang, Doctor Doom, Agatha Harkness

Maybe offer more merchandising opportunities for X-Men films for these characters.

 

[Zarex]

I understand that FFINO was so traumatic, fans think they need to believe in this idea. However, believing in Santa Clause doesn't make him real.

Oh please. Folks are speculating that - based on deals like Ego and the one for TV rights - the FF rights wil revert prior to 2020. You are convinced that FOX will hand over the rights for nothing at the reversion date. Cause company pride or something. Who exactly is being delusional here?

 

[TheVileOne]

Oh please. Folks are speculating that - based on deals like Ego and the one for TV rights - the FF rights wil revert prior to 2020. You are convinced that FOX will hand over the rights for nothing at the reversion date. Cause company pride or something. Who exactly is being delusional here?

They'd be legally obligated to do so, so it's not for nothing. Did Fox give up Daredevil and Elektra for nothing? No they darn well didn't. They legally had no control over the film rights anymore. Contractual law isn't nothing.

Ego/power set switches are a bit different than granting Marvel shared control of Fantastic Four and X-Men.

 

[Zarex]

They'd be legally obligated to do so, so it's not for nothing. Did Fox give up Daredevil and Elektra for nothing? No they darn well didn't. They legally had no control over the film rights anymore. Contractual law isn't nothing.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. FOX tried to get a DD movie into theaters and failed. They lost the rights to that character family. FOX received nothing in return. Are you thinking that was a good outcome for FOX?

Ego/power set switches are a bit different than granting Marvel shared control of Fantastic Four and X-Men.

So the cost of allowing a minor character a power adjustment is a living planet. Ego isnt Galactus, but he ain't nothing. And the cost for reopening the 1993 X-Men licensing agreement and extending TV rights to FOX was ......nothing. Got it.