The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[Leo Zelinsky]

Lol. It's hard to argue with pure fanboy logic.

I'm not trying to argue I'm just having a discussion. Your the one with a return FF & X-MEN to Disney signature and wishing failure on two films that aren't in production yet

The X-Men #1 was not popular BECAUSE it was set in the '90s.

90's X-MEN comics & X-MEN TAS go together and for people from that generation they want to see it represented on film. X-Men had had films in 60-80's, Present & Future there's nothing wrong with a 90's sequel.

it hasn't translated to much box office gold.

None of us profit from the film financially anyways so it shouldn't matter FC, Wolverine, DoFP, Deadpool, Legion, Logan are rated positively on RT there's a good chance NM & X7 can do The same.

And DP is hardly an "XM" film

It has The Mansion, Colossus, & says the word mutant throughout soooo

The X-Men core brand is past its prime and it will middle at best going forward.

It came off its 6th film and made enough to justify a sequel that's all that should matter.

 

[SAUspartan]

Guys don't feed SAUspartan's nonsense trolling.

Ah, it's not trolling. It's the truth. This anti fox crap has grown tiresome. Wishing for failure for films. Seems to me the Disney marvel people here are the ones trolling. Thinking Fox is at fault for not giving up rights that are fairly there's.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Ah, it's not trolling. It's the truth. This anti fox crap has grown tiresome. Wishing for failure for films. Seems to me the Disney marvel people here are the ones trolling. Thinking Fox is at fault for not giving up rights that are fairly there's.

It is, since Fant4stic was awful and lost millions of dollars in revenue and FOX wants to make another one? Fat chance of that happening.

 

[SAUspartan]

It is, since Fant4stic was awful and lost millions of dollars in revenue and FOX wants to make another one? Fat chance of that happening.

Nope dude. I've been right for two-three years now.

And I thought It was great!

 

[TheVileOne]

Yes if you don't bow down to Disney your obviously Simon Kinberg.


I already said I hope FF/Star Wars gets traded for The Savage Land & Ka-Zar, a new X-Men game and animation

No.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Nope dude. I've been right for two-three years now.

And I thought It was great!

Yeah. Two years of FOX NOT announcing a sequel to Fant4stic or a new Fant4stic movie. Sure they may have it now but it'll be soon before FOX has to do something to maintain the rights.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

No.

Okay

 

[Dark Raven]

Well it's been a while since we've had a FFINO defender in here. One has finally come out of the woodworks, but where were they all when the movie just came out to defend how good it was and gloat to everyone else they were right all along?

 

[TheVileOne]

Okay

Disney and Marvel are not going to give up those types of things. Also, if they want to do an X-Men game or animation, they will do it themselves.

Disney and Marvel will be bringing up characters back under their banner instead of wholesale giving them up.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Disney and Marvel are not going to give up those types of things. Also, if they want to do an X-Men game or animation, they will do it themselves.

Disney and Marvel will be bringing up characters back under their banner instead of wholesale giving them up.

Maybe Maybe Not... This thread is Keep Hope Alive so that's what choose to do. Hopefully FF returning to Marvel is beneficial to X-MEN and that's my stance. Legion produced by Loeb turned out great hopefully Loeb has good plans for EXILES on FoX. Loeb seems to be mending fences.

 

[TheVileOne]

Maybe Maybe Not... This thread is Keep Hope Alive so that's what choose to do. Hopefully FF returning to Marvel is beneficial to X-MEN and that's my stance. Legion produced by Loeb turned out great hopefully Loeb has good plans for EXILES on FoX. Loeb seems to be mending fences.

If it happens, I would hope it benefits the actual Fantastic Four property than anything else.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Ninja Turtles and the Bourne franchise seem to suggest otherwise for Paramount and Universal.

The quality just wasn't there for Ninja Turtles, and after the initial nostalgic hype for the first film died off so did the box office.

For Bourne, I think it comes down to a few things:

1. Trying to do a film without Matt Damon.
2. By the time Damon came back it had been too long since Ultimatum.
3. The quality of the films themselves dropped.
4. The "Bourne Style" had been copied by so many other action films (including the James Bond franchise) so that it is no longer as unique and thrilling as it once was.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Did i read this correctly? Someone thought Fan4stic was great?

Ok Simon, it's time to admit you dropped the ball and stop posting with fake accounts.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Did i read this correctly? Someone thought Fan4stic was great?

Ok Simon, it's time to admit you dropped the ball and stop posting with fake accounts.

Heh. Wouldn't surprise me if Kinberg did this. After all, this is the same man that proclaimed that Fant4stic is "not a disaster."

http://comicbook.com/2015/08/03/simon-kinberg-says-fantastic-four-is-not-a-disaster/

 

[ADollarADay]

Wouldn't it be nice if the US copyright reversion law also applied to entities? I found out about this yesterday while searching for "Terminator" movie rights. I came up to this piece which states that James Cameron will get the rights back to the Terminator franchise in 2019 due to the US copyright reversion law. Cameron sold the rights to Terminator for $1 back in the days. I am not sure when exactly he sold the rights, but he gets it back 40 years after he sold it or 35 years after productions/release. That's why he gets it back in 2019 because it's 35 years after 1984, when the movie released.

Unfortunately, I don't think it applies to entities. based on the wording of the law:

Section 203 of the Copyright Act permits authors (or, if the authors are not alive, their surviving spouses, children or grandchildren, or executors, administrators, personal representatives or trustees) to terminate grants of copyright assignments and licenses that were made on or after January 1, 1978

Seems to be for individuals only, but not sure if lawyers could try and make a case for an entity. I am not a lawyer so this lingo is a little confusing to me, this is section 203 of the law and another good article summarizing it all.

If it did apply to entities, then FF movie rights would revert in 2026 (40 years after the sale) or 2029 (35 years after first production). Wouldn't that be nice and convenient?

 

[metaphysician]

Ah, it's not trolling. It's the truth. This anti fox crap has grown tiresome. Wishing for failure for films. Seems to me the Disney marvel people here are the ones trolling. Thinking Fox is at fault for not giving up rights that are fairly there's.

As opposed to Fox holding onto the FF rights while making zero effort to actually use them to good effect? I'd say Marvel fans have every right to be pissed at them. The point of the licensing contract is to produce movies. Fox is already violating their spirit, if not their letter, by making movies not with the intent to make money making movies, but simply to hold onto the license.

 

[Zarex]

Wouldn't it be nice if the US copyright reversion law also applied to entities? I found out about this yesterday while searching for "Terminator" movie rights. I came up to this piece which states that James Cameron will get the rights back to the Terminator franchise in 2019 due to the US copyright reversion law. Cameron sold the rights to Terminator for $1 back in the days. I am not sure when exactly he sold the rights, but he gets it back 40 years after he sold it or 35 years after productions/release. That's why he gets it back in 2019 because it's 35 years after 1984, when the movie released.

Unfortunately, I don't think it applies to entities. based on the wording of the law:



Seems to be for individuals only, but not sure if lawyers could try and make a case for an entity. I am not a lawyer so this lingo is a little confusing to me, this is section 203 of the law and another good article summarizing it all.

If it did apply to entities, then FF movie rights would revert in 2026 (40 years after the sale) or 2029 (35 years after first production). Wouldn't that be nice and convenient?

This law is the reason Disney paid the Kirby estate what was estimated to be upwards of $50M. Though he was considered work-for-hire at the time, the Mouse thought that he had a puncher's chance of getting ownership over his Marvel creations under copyright law.

 

[TheVileOne]

This law is the reason Disney paid the Kirby estate what was estimated to be upwards of $50M. Though he was considered work-for-hire at the time, the Mouse thought that he had a puncher's chance of getting ownership over his Marvel creations under copyright law.

The Kirby family members or their lawyers?

 

[InCali]

Fox is the most inconsistent cmb studio barring WB. They don't deserve the 4 and they have drove themt o the ground more brutally than they did DD, one of my favourite heroes. Fox doesn't deserve any Marvel property except the X-men and i'm not even sure they deserve them as well.

You can lick Kinberg's boots as much as you want but the rights will revert. DD reverted and it didn't have nowhere near the losses Fan4stic had.

WB has been VERY consistent; at least post Nolan's work......if you get my drift....I'll give you that Fox HAS been inconsistent.

 

[InCali]

Ah, it's not trolling. It's the truth. This anti fox crap has grown tiresome. Wishing for failure for films. Seems to me the Disney marvel people here are the ones trolling. Thinking Fox is at fault for not giving up rights that are fairly there's.

I think this idea that people are wishing for Fox failure is, generally speaking, manure. Sure, there's going to be a small minority in any group that thinks that way (be they Fox, WB, or Marvel fans), but most of us want to see good movies and to say Fox has consistently put out a quality product looks and smells like skunk $#!t. I think you're probably mistaking trashing movies like X3, Origins, Fant4stic, etc. with hoping for failure. In any case, unless someone says "I hope XXXX fails, you can't really climb inside their head and know what they're thinking.

For myself, I really liked DP, DoFP, FC and early X. The others? Not so much. I'm certainly not hoping that the next DP will fail. Quite the opposite; I want it to be good. Hell, I even liked the first FF movie (with Chris Evans) and was happy to see my favorite SH team on screen. I think my expectations were pretty low at the time compared to what they are now, but consider that to be a good thing.

I want Marvel to get the rights back (and think they will) because I want to see an enjoyable rendition of the FF and a respectful treatment (ie somewhat based on the comic characters) of both the heroes and villains.

 

[Drseuss]

X-Men isn't going anywhere. Fox isn't as broke as Sony to give up Spiderman to Disney. Rooting for X-Men, Avatar and fox movies to fail so Disney could get them back is plain vicious and show how twisted your mind is.

If you think Logan, Deadpool is not for you, just don't watch them. Don't put higher standard on x-men movies than Disney movies, and then say Disney should take them back even though they don't make these.

 

[InCali]

X-Men isn't going anywhere. Fox isn't as broke as Sony to give up Spiderman to Disney. Rooting for X-Men, Avatar and fox movies to fail so Disney could get them back is plain vicious and show how twisted your mind is.

If you think Logan, Deadpool is not for you, just don't watch them. Don't put higher standard on x-men movies than Disney movies, and then say Disney should take them back even though they don't make these.

Who did that? I missed it.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Who did that? I missed it.

no one did. you missed nothing. it's either a missunderstanding or alternative facts.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

https://www.facebook.com/dorkly/videos/1344666825576724/

 

[ADollarADay]

This law is the reason Disney paid the Kirby estate what was estimated to be upwards of $50M. Though he was considered work-for-hire at the time, the Mouse thought that he had a puncher's chance of getting ownership over his Marvel creations under copyright law.

I don't think it's the same law, at least not in its current form. The one that I linked that allows Cameron to get the rights back to Terminator in 2019 are for copyright transfers/grants made on or after Jan 1st, 1978.