The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

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I remember when Kebbell talked about WB's live action Akira movie which he was in the running to play Tetsuo in.

“I’m probably never going to get an opportunity again to do [‘Akira’],” he said, adding that his initial take on the script left him feeling a bit, well… concerned.

“They were like, ‘This is going to be a big franchise!'” he explained. “So I said, ‘Then in that case, understand that I’ve read the comics, and I’ve read the comics that got turned into the annuals, and then the annuals that got turned into the one-off anime. So if you really want to do it, then why don’t you look at the six comics and just put two into each film?'”

“They were like, ‘This is going to be a big franchise!'” he explained. “So I said, ‘Then in that case, understand that I’ve read the comics, and I’ve read the comics that got turned into the annuals, and then the annuals that got turned into the one-off anime. So if you really want to do it, then why don’t you look at the six comics and just put two into each film?'”

“That way my character, Tetsuo, is not the lead,” he continued. “He’s not the second lead, and he’s not the third or the fourth lead, because there are eight major characters there. You’ve got great young actors, and you could get them in there. That’s the way to do it if you want to do sequels.”

The studio’s response, according to Kebbell, was not exactly encouraging.

“They were like, ‘Welllll…'” he shrugged. “So I told them, ‘Then this is a remake [of the animated movie], and I don’t want to do a live-action remake of the cartoon, because [the cartoon] is perfect and you’re not going to do it dark enough — so therefore, I don’t want to do it.”

Still, Kebbell said the potential of an “Akira” movie was hard to ignore, and his feelings about the studio’s plans for the film were borne out of his appreciation for the source material. For Kebbell, the relationship between Tetsuo and Kaneda, the gang leader who takes Tetsuo under his wing and treats him like a younger brother, is the most important theme of the story and the element that’s most vital to preserve in any adaptation.

“I was desperate to play Tetsuo, but Tetsuo in the comic and annual form,” he explained. “He’s brilliant in the anime, but if you know anything about the comics, they cut so much of the story out. You care about him, because it’s brilliantly done, but you don’t really care about Kaneda, who isn’t.”

“The other thing they wanted to do was make [Tetsuo and Kaneda] brothers,” he continued. “I was like, ‘The point is that Tetsuo can’t comprehend how someone who isn’t his brother could love him so much — and that’s where his wrath and his rage come from. Do you not see that? Why have you made them brothers? What are you doing?"

He seems passionate and knowledgeable about the characters he plays. I'm not too surprised he was disappointed about the Doctor Doom he played.
 
What actors would sign on to another Fox FF film after what they've done? What director would sign on knowing not just Fox's history with the property but that they would immediately become enemy #1 to people like us just for agreeing to do it?

If Fox gives me a couple of million dollars, I would sign. Sorry guys.

I have no acting or film directing experience, but I don't think Fox execs care about that.
 
I remember when Kebbell talked about WB's live action Akira movie which he was in the running to play Tetsuo in.


He seems passionate and knowledgeable about the characters he plays. I'm not too surprised he was disappointed about the Doctor Doom he played.

I suspect he probably didn't know a huge amount about Doom before the film, or was not nearly as passionate about him as he is with Akira, or he wouldn't have signed on for FFINO.

Much of what was wrong with his Doom would have been in the script after all.
 
No, but Ego being part of the X-Men characters makes no sense

Ego was almost certainly bundled with the Silver Surfer (who was a separate deal from the FF deal before ROTSS). Same with the Badoon.
 
If Fox gives me a couple of million dollars, I would sign. Sorry guys.

I have no acting or film directing experience, but I don't think Fox execs care about that.

We could all sign up and shoot it in a warehouse and achieve the same results. Someone can bring their speakers while another can bring their springs. A third can bring their trashbags, as long as they don't dump the speakers and springs in there. If anyone works for a car company, they can bring a crash test dummy too.
 
Yeah, I would have thought they'd have Ronan and not Kang, but I guess Kang is tied into the whole Nathaniel Richards thing.

And it's frustrating to see characters like Ronan, Black Panther, Klaw, Inhumans etc. who all started in FF getting better treatment than they are.:cmad:

Was it ever specifically stated that Ego was part of FF? I thought they said they traded for him but I'm not sure if they specified (I guess presumably he would be with FF).

That sort of makes you wonder if the trade was bigger than we know and some other characters went back and forth.

The first I remember of Kang was in Avengers #8 (which I have.....he brags....:woot:). Pretty awesome villain, but not Doom awesome.
 
If Fox gives me a couple of million dollars, I would sign. Sorry guys.

I have no acting or film directing experience, but I don't think Fox execs care about that.

Then you'd have to change your name to ACoupleOfMillionDollarsADay so it probably wouldn't be worth it.
 
I suspect he probably didn't know a huge amount about Doom before the film, or was not nearly as passionate about him as he is with Akira, or he wouldn't have signed on for FFINO.

Much of what was wrong with his Doom would have been in the script after all.

I remember during production he was saying some pretty spot-on things while the rest of the cast seemed to not know and/or not care who their characters were supposed to be.

But obviously he couldn't do much with the complete crap-fest he had to work in.
 
I remember during production he was saying some pretty spot-on things while the rest of the cast seemed to not know and/or not care who their characters were supposed to be.

But obviously he couldn't do much with the complete crap-fest he had to work in.

Yeah he was pretty blunt from the start about F4 and revealing plots that Fox didn't want out, but when it was said and done, he was right. I think Fox is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to the F4. Any peep of a reboot,like Spiderine said, will have the fury of millions of nerds unleashed on it like never before! I remember Trank's film being DOA and I can see the same thing happening again, even worse because of the stars are starting to come out against Fox with their Marvel properties. Jackmon, Kebbell, and Jennifer Lawrence have all come and said they wanted to be a part of the MCU and are done with Fox heroes. I can only think directors may feel the same way after Trank's career is done after F4.
 
Yeah he was pretty blunt from the start about F4 and revealing plots that Fox didn't want out, but when it was said and done, he was right. I think Fox is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to the F4. Any peep of a reboot,like Spiderine said, will have the fury of millions of nerds unleashed on it like never before! I remember Trank's film being DOA and I can see the same thing happening again, even worse because of the stars are starting to come out against Fox with their Marvel properties. Jackmon, Kebbell, and Jennifer Lawrence have all come and said they wanted to be a part of the MCU and are done with Fox heroes. I can only think directors may feel the same way after Trank's career is done after F4.

I think it will be way, WAY worse. Going into the last film, you had two bad films, but that could have been blamed on the director, and I think most people who weren't hard-core Marvel fans were at least willing to give it a chance.

But they didn't just make a third bad film. They went above and beyond and made an absolutely terrible film. Even the people who defended it all through production vanished when they saw how bad it really was, and anybody who was sitting on the fence is almost certainly on the "NO MORE" side now. If you go back to late 2013, you'll be able to find posts from me that were guardedly optimistic and willing to see where it went. That absolutely won't happen if they announce a new film. I'm not giving them any more chances.

The film was a complete embarrassment to the talented cast. And it became clear after that film that it wasn't just a director problem, but a studio problem. Fantastic Four is different than X-Men or Deadpool or Wolverine and Fox doesn't seem to have a clue how to make a Fantastic Four film
 
Another name added to the growing list of former Fox Marvel actors who now say they'd like to do a Marvel but not Fox film:

“I won’t be in it!” he said of the rumoured Fantastic Four sequel, adding: “Truth is, Doom is an incredible bad guy. They just keep trying to force him into the Fantastic Four. They just need to move it out because he smashes up Thor and Iron Man and they get wasted. Doom is a monster, but my Doom was not, so that is that.” Kebbell is spot on there and a big issue is definitely the fact that he was unnecessarily shoehorned into the team again.

However, it turns out that the British actor would return as Doom under the right circumstances and those unsurprisingly involve Marvel Studios. “Yeah, if they lend him out like a footballer. They do with Spider-Man!” Fox only has so long to sit on the Fantastic Four rights revert, but if that does happen, it won’t be for another couple of Phases, sadly…


http://www.heyuguys.com/toby-kebbell-talks-fantastic-four-doctor-doom/

:hehe: here's the YouTube link https://youtu.be/YbnUUH5ZcUU
 
I suspect he probably didn't know a huge amount about Doom before the film, or was not nearly as passionate about him as he is with Akira, or he wouldn't have signed on for FFINO.

Much of what was wrong with his Doom would have been in the script after all.
My guess is he signed on before the script was finished. He jumped on a chance to play Doom without knowing what he got into.
I could be wrong, but that sounds possible to me.
 
First Jordan, now Kebbell. Looks like the FF won't be returning since only Teller still cares for his character.

Note to Fox. Do not do another FF film.
 
My guess is he signed on before the script was finished. He jumped on a chance to play Doom without knowing what he got into.
I could be wrong, but that sounds possible to me.

On paper it would have sounded very tempting: "You get to play one of the most iconic super-villains of all time in a film by the director of Chronicle - who created a pretty cool little film on a shoe-string budget and will now be getting a much more substantial budget for a 'more serious' take on the FF than the previous two efforts."

He'd have to be a fool to not jump at that opportunity. And the rest of the cast probably felt the same way.
 
First Jordan, now Kebbell. Looks like the FF won't be returning since only Teller still cares for his character.

Note to Fox. Do not do another FF film.

I remember when Kinberg was first talking up a sequel I was imagining the cast desperately calling their agents and pleading with them to get them out of it. :funny:
 
Yeah he was pretty blunt from the start about F4 and revealing plots that Fox didn't want out, but when it was said and done, he was right. I think Fox is in a lose-lose situation when it comes to the F4. Any peep of a reboot,like Spiderine said, will have the fury of millions of nerds unleashed on it like never before! I remember Trank's film being DOA and I can see the same thing happening again, even worse because of the stars are starting to come out against Fox with their Marvel properties. Jackmon, Kebbell, and Jennifer Lawrence have all come and said they wanted to be a part of the MCU and are done with Fox heroes. I can only think directors may feel the same way after Trank's career is done after F4.

No doubt about it. There is no possible outcome in which Fox "wins." They've already lost.
 
Why would Kebbell be cast as Doom again if Marvel Studios had the rights to the character?
 
Sasha Grey as Invisible Woman...

Hell, I might go see that.
 
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