The screentime of venom

[The Joker]

Give me a break. I thought you were a little more mature than that.

You needlessly insult Thinner6, and you mis-quote people's names into insults in the comic book forums like this: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=14127706&postcount=1711

And you're lecturing me about maturity? I call it as I see it. He only said he was disappointed about the movie, and you insulted him.

Uncalled for and completely immature.

 

[Blader5489]

You needlessly insult Thinner6, and you mis-quote people's names into insults in the comic book forums like this: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=14127706&postcount=1711

And you're lecturing me about maturity? I call it as I see it. He only said he was disappointed about the movie, and you insulted him.

Uncalled for and completely immature.

I didn't insult him, I said I can't take him seriously. That's not insulting, unless he prides himself on his taste in movies/TV or something.

As for that link...yeah, I insulted that guy. I'm also flattered that you seem to be keeping track of all of my posts. It's a little on the creepy side, but flattering nonetheless.

 

[The Joker]

I didn't insult him, I said I can't take him seriously. That's not insulting, unless he prides himself on his taste in movies/TV or something.

Telling him you can't take his opinion seriously is not an insult?

Yeah right!

As for that link...yeah, I insulted that guy. I'm also flattered that you seem to be keeping track of all of my posts. It's a little on the creepy side, but flattering nonetheless.

I wouldn't be too flattered. Those particular posts stuck out in my mind because they made me see just how petty you can get when people disagree with you.

Even the kids who populate this forum don't act that childishly.

 

[Blader5489]

Telling him you can't take his opinion seriously is not an insult?

Yeah right!

Unless he has such a high regard for me that my taking him seriously insults him, then no, what I said wasn't derogatory. What I did was call his taste in TV/movies into question, hence the analogy I brought up earlier.

I wouldn't be too flattered. Those particular posts stuck out in my mind because they made me see just how petty you can get when people disagree with you.

Even the kids who populate this forum don't act that childishly.

As long as you're stalking me and my posting endeavors, you could at least get your facts straight. The reason why I snapped at that guy wasn't because we had a difference of opinion, it was because he kept accusing me of ducking a question when, in reality, I had already responded to his point and repeated my answer several times. It had nothing to do with him liking something that I didn't (or vice versa).

 

[The Joker]

Unless he has such a high regard for me that my taking him seriously insults him, then no, what I said wasn't derogatory. What I did was call his taste in TV/movies into question, hence the analogy I brought up earlier.

BS! Because he was looking forward to Dragonball, you said you cannot take him seriously. Had he complimented SM-3, there wouldn't have been a peep out of you, and you know it.

It was an insult. You were saying his opinion was worthless to you because of his taste in movies. Complete with an eye rolling smiley.

At least have the balls to admit to this insult, too, instead of trying to dress it up as a harmless remark.

As long as you're stalking me and my posting endeavors

Hahahahahaha, you wish!

you could at least get your facts straight. The reason why I snapped at that guy wasn't because we had a difference of opinion, it was because he kept accusing me of ducking a question when, in reality, I had already responded to his point and repeated my answer several times. It had nothing to do with him liking something that I didn't (or vice versa).

Oh, that totally makes it ok, then.

Would have been way too hard for you to just drop it or ignore him, right, if the debate was going nowhere? Of course.

 

[Blader5489]

EDIT - I'll keep this to PM, this thread is off-topic enough as it is.

Thinner, if you feel insulted by my original comment, then let me know.

 

[The Joker]

Yes, sorry for putting the thread off topic.

I think Venom's screen time was fine. Brock could have done with more of it, but Venom's was grand, IMO.

 

[TLH]

Sorry, you've been fighting my battle for me Joker...didn't know (I hadn't checked this thread for a while). Thanks

Thinner, if you feel insulted by my original comment, then let me know.

I really don't care. At this point I think Joker has said pretty much everything I would have said.

No, what I'm saying is that liking Dragonball--anime or movie--compromises your taste in what's good and what's bad

This is the only thing I feel truly compelled to respond to.

sub·jec·tiv·it·y

1. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision.
2. Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience.

EDIT: I'm a huge Spidey fan -- always have been -- but was incredibly disappointed with how Venom was handled (and the movie in general). If you find my views problematic because I enjoy watching Dragonball Z or am looking forward to the Dragonball movie, then I don't think the root of this conflict resides with me. You might need a mirror.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Yeah, Venom didnt have enough screentime in Spiderman 3. He was in there for like the whole last half of the final scene.

Oh seriously, Sandman should have died in the subway to show the black suit causing harmful changes to Peter's behavior?

Like the whole end fight could even be CONCEIVABLE without the added threat of giant Sandman.

 

[fallenAngel]

Well Venom can't really show up until the end anyway as his orgin is soo long. A lot of people wanted him as a "cliffhanger" but I really don't think he could carry a movie by himself, since he basically stalks Peter once or twice and then tries to kill him.

I do think Eddie could have used more development though and not be sort of pushed aside. And Venom and Spider man should have had more of a one on one fight. But other than that I think he was handled reasonably well. We don't need villains upstaging the heroes like they do in Batman movies. (with the exception of Begins).

 

[Frodo]

IMO I think they should have split the films into two parts as Alvin Sergent originally planned . He didn't go through with it due to the cliffhanger issue but there was just too much going on in 3 . It would mean restructering the story of course from the beginning but then again their were so many half baked and unfinished ideas that the script was in needed to be overhauled. They had Vulture, Sandman, Venom , New Goblin ,a "new love interest", The alien saga, the engagement, Spiderman being arrogant, MJ's struggles, Harry and his father issues, Eddie Brock all the running for Spiderman 3. They should have taken a few idea's and left the rest for 4 and 5 .

maybe Hobgoblin and Vulture , The forgiveness theme and Gwen's introduction in Spiderman 3

then for part 4 Have The Symbiote , Sandman, Venom , Peter's proposal, and MJ's troubles.

I dunno you could do alot of different combinations I guess ,.I just wish they had scaled back and be willing to leave certain idea's out .

@ one point Spiderman 2 was going to have Doc Ock, Lizard and Black Cat but they decided to scale back . I wished they'd done the same with 3.

 

[TLH]

How hard would it have been had a cliffhanger that had all of the character/story arcs at their core?

End Spider-Man 3 with:
-The birth of Venom
-Sandman emerging from the river
-Harry's memory coming back
-Parker back in his life but still split with MJ

There, that wasn't hard at all.

By doing this, there's more time for Eddie Brock character development, more Sandman and his dying daughter etc...

 

[Frodo]

How hard would it have been had a cliffhanger that had all of the character/story arcs at their core?

End Spider-Man 3 with:
-The birth of Venom
-Sandman emerging from the river
-Harry's memory coming back
-Parker back in his life but still split with MJ

There, that wasn't hard at all.

By doing this, there's more time for Eddie Brock character development, more Sandman and his dying daughter etc...

This actually sounds interesting , though I think you'd have to leave out the dancing and put in more of an explanation of the symbiote.

The only thing I would quibble with would be bringing all 3 villians back for part 4. I guess I would have liked Sandman and Harry's stories resolved in 3 and put up venom's in 4 but your idea sounds pretty good imo. It has a sort of an Empire Strikes Back feeling to it . You'd have to make it clear this is a two part story but it would be a plus . It'd certainly keep interest in Spiderman 4.

 

[TLH]

This actually sounds interesting , though I think you'd have to leave out the dancing and put in more of an explanation of the symbiote.

The only thing I would quibble with would be bringing all 3 villians back for part 4. I guess I would have liked Sandman and Harry's stories resolved in 3 and put up venom's in 4 but your idea sounds pretty good imo. It has a sort of an Empire Strikes Back feeling to it . You'd have to make it clear this is a two part story but it would be a plus . It'd certainly keep interest in Spiderman 4.

Good analogy. Didn't think of it that way.

 

[FNSpidey]

One thing I never understood about people wanting Venom as a cliffhanger is this: In order to have such a cliffhanger, or the one Trunks proposed, a next installment has to be a given. Which in this case, it most certainly wasn't, especially not with the same cast and crew.
So, I think the approach taken was the right one.

Additionally, people need to realize that neither the black suit, nor Venom were the center of the story. Instead, they were there to serve the main theme of the darkness in any of us and the importance of forgiveness. So, the screentime of Venom is actually quite irrelevant. He served his purpose, as did the symbiote.

 

[omid17]

the main cast was signed for only 3 movies, thats why they couldn't continue the Venom storyline along with the other villians

 

[TLH]

One thing I never understood about people wanting Venom as a cliffhanger is this: In order to have such a cliffhanger, or the one Trunks proposed, a next installment has to be a given. Which in this case, it most certainly wasn't, especially not with the same cast and crew.
So, I think the approach taken was the right one.

If they filmed 3 and 4 back-to-back, I'm sure that some sort of agreement could have been worked on. It's much easier to agree to stay on if you know that you're doing two films at once.

Additionally, people need to realize that neither the black suit, nor Venom were the center of the story. Instead, they were there to serve the main theme of the darkness in any of us and the importance of forgiveness. So, the screentime of Venom is actually quite irrelevant. He served his purpose, as did the symbiote.

That's the problem. The symbiote saga deserves to be given priority because it is arguably the most popular Spider-Man story to be told. I agree that it serves the darkness theme well, but it's disappointing for fans to see it as an undercurrent and not a staple in the narrative.

 

[FNSpidey]

If they filmed 3 and 4 back-to-back, I'm sure that some sort of agreement could have been worked on. It's much easier to agree to stay on if you know that you're doing two films at once.

It could be done that way, but there was no guarantee that both the studio and the cast and crew would agree to this. Since we don't really know the logistics behind these films, arguing about two films back-to-back is more like wishful thinking than a hands-on approach. For all we know, maybe they had pitched the idea but it was rejected.

That's the problem. The symbiote saga deserves to be given priority because it is arguably the most popular Spider-Man story to be told. I agree that it serves the darkness theme well, but it's disappointing for fans to see it as an undercurrent and not a staple in the narrative.

You know, I perfectly understand your point and quite agree with you. That said, since we weren't sure to get the black suit story at any point and since it fits the theme so well, I'm glad we got to see it even as part of a larger picture. Plus, since I'm not much of a Venom fan (I certainly wouldn't want him stealing the whole show), I was quite satisfied with the interpretation presented.

 

[TLH]

I see, well...even so, I'm still hoping in the future that if and when Spider-Man gets rebooted that Venom has his day.

 

[FNSpidey]

Fair enough.

 

[Dark Carnage]

No, what I'm saying is that liking Dragonball--anime or movie--compromises your taste in what's good and what's bad.

You're an idiot.

 

[Blader5489]

For all we know, maybe they had pitched the idea but it was rejected.

It was. In the making of SM3 book (or whatever it's officially called), Grant Curtis mentions how, as the script was getting more complicated, there had been a plan to split it into two movies. They ultimately decided not to take the back-to-back approach because there wasn't any point in the story where a split could occur.

Plus, forcing your cast and crew onto four films when they're only contracted for three would have been a legal nightmare.

 

[Silver Spider]

I think the fact that Venom died in his first battle showed that he was too dangerous to be left only. Spiderman knew he had to kill the symbiote as fast as possible, or else it would just ruin the lives of him and everyone else. I mean the Green Goblin and Doc Ock were dangerous, but they weren't out for destroying lives. The Goblin was trying to gain power and Ock was trying to rebuild his machine. Harry was attacking Peter, but once he got amnesia, he thought the problem was solved. And once he got the symbiote himself, he didn't care what he did to villains, which is why they narrowly escaped. Venom needed to be delt with there and then, and talking wasn't going to work as long as Eddie had the symbiote.

 

[Toxin72]

I was fine with his screen time in the movie.

 

[spida-man]

It's hard to take you or your criticisms seriously when you're anticipating the Dragonball movie.

ouch, low-blow, but Dragonball doesn't loook too bad.