The screentime of venom

[Leenie]

Venom's screen time was bogus, honestly. It definitely was a waste of a really good villain.

Don't get me wrong, I like Spider-Man 3, but Venom was one of the weakest links in the movie because of his weak presentation. Sandman totally upstaged him by ten fold, which was something I was not expecting before seeing the movie.

It makes me wish that Spider-Man 3 had been split into two films, like Raimi had originally intended. First part- Sandman, Second part- Venom. That would have worked so much better.

No, what I'm saying is that liking Dragonball--anime or movie--compromises your taste in what's good and what's bad.

Ouch! Was that really necessary?

So, a fan of Dragonball isn't allowed to have any input on something that isn't Dragonball-related?

 

[GoldGoblin]

If Raimi was forced to have Venom be the villain in SM3,then Raimi should of done this:

-Get rid of Sandman

-Have the movie open up with spidey fighting Venom in a huge 5 minute fight.Then have the screen fade to black in the middle of the fight where these words appear: 3 days earlier.

-Show how Peter,Gwen,and Brock who are the top students of Doc Connors who have been chosen to help him study the symbiote that was brought back to earth from astronauts.

-Have Harry show up in a Goblin costume and blows up a wall with a pumpkin bomb.

-Have Dr.Connors,Gwen,and Brock get knocked out from the debri that the explosion causes.

-Have Peter lands on the symbiote where it covers Peter and The black spider-man is created.

-Have a huge Goblin vs Black Spider-Man fight that ends when Harry gets paralyzed from the neck down.

-Have the movie be based on hate:
1.Harry hates Peter
2.The symbiote makes Peter hates Harry
3.Brock hates Peter because the symbiote makes Peter cheat on MJ with Gwen who is actually Brock's girlfriend in the movie.
4.Have Brock hate spidey for destroying the lab where he thinks the symbiote got destroyed.
5.Have MJ hate Peter for cheating on her.

-Have Harry be all healed up to fight again,but this time black spider-man is evil now,and he is trying to kill Harry as Harry is trying to kill him.

-Have Peter take off the symbiote when he thinks he has killed Harry in their last battle.

-Have Brock at the church talking to a priest how he has had everything taken from him.

-Have Brock become Venom.

-Then the screen fades to black and these words appear: Now

-We see Spider-Man vs Venom.

-MJ talks Harry into going to help Peter.

-Goblin comes to help Spider-Man fight Venom.

-Then this movie would of been dark,good,and Raimi would of been able to make SM4 with Vulture and Sandman.

-Then Raimi could of did one last movie with a bang by making SM5 with the Lizard.
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[Spider-ManHero12]

I didn't have a problem with Venom's screentime, tbh.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Well, there was at least something that was shorter than Kim Kardashian's wedding.

BAM!

 

[Troy_Parker]

 

[Godzilla2014]

I didn't have a problem with Venom's screentime, tbh.

He didn't really have enough time to shine in SM3. If I didn't really know Venom before seeing the movie, I don't think the movie would have made me into a Venom fan. None of the things that make him a big threat to Spider-Man are displayed well enough.
Furthermore, the actual story didn't really necessitate Venom himself to appear (like the Venom arc of Ultimate Spider-Man did), so he could have been left for the next film.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I just felt Venom served his purpose overall. It worked, IMO.

 

[The Joker]

What was his purpose?

 

[GoldGoblin]

What was his purpose?

^
To look awesome.

 

[The Joker]

I'd say that's it because Peter didn't learn any lessons from his encounter with Venom. By the time Venom was created Peter had already rejected the black suit and seen the error of his ways.

So why did this movie need Venom?

 

[Venom75]

I've stated my opinion on this topic several times,so most of you know how I feel.

Spider-man 3 has alot of flaws,but I found it to be a fun and entertaining movie with heart to it. That's a great compliment considering what a mess it was....story,plot and character wise. I like the film alot,but...
The screwing over of Venom was unforgiveable to me. Whether you love him or hate him,he is CLEARLY Spidey's most popular villain...EVER. Hell..he's one of the most popular villains in comic book history. He's also one of Spidey's greatest enemies(Goblin,Ock and Venom are widely considered Spidey's top 3). Yet,for a character that loved to be treated like a footnote was a disgrace. Not only was Venom himself screwed over,the symbiote storyline was treated like a joke too. Spider-man 3 should've been a dark and soul searching experience for not only the audience,but the characters in the movie. Instead,it was one punchline after another(although there were some awesome moments there). Even when the battle royal came along and Eddie started attacking Peter there were no great words there. He just joked and said typical "villain" things. Things you'd hear in a Saturday morning cartoon. Venom never seemed that menacing in this film. Actually,nobody did. Not like Molina's Ock in part 2. Where is the anger and homicidal rage inside Eddie? Look at Ledger's Joker in Dark Knight. Everything he said made you think,and he was very cunning. I wish Venom would've been like that.
But even Venom's most iconic and simplest moments were denied him. There was no use of the word, "we" and there was never any mention of how he could block Spidey's spider-sense. There was no real mention of how the symbiote increased Peter's powers,or how the symbiote transfered all Peter's secrets to Eddie. The film never truly invested us in Eddie Brock. To really get inside and understand Venom,you need to understand Eddie Brock. The film had too many plotlines going that it never took the time to do that. Either one of two things should've happened: 1.) Take Sandman out and have the villains just be Harry and Venom,with Harry and the symbiote taking up the first half of the film,and then Venom the second. Or..2.) Save Venom for part 4.
Honestly,the best thing about Venom in this was was his look. I thought he looked awesome,and I loved the webbing on the suit. But then again,we hardly ever saw the Venom "face." Raimi kept having Brock pull back the symbiote to reveal his own face. Man,I could go on and on.
Venom derseved alot better. That's why I pray he used in the next series,and used right.

 

[spida-man]

sure Venom didn't get that mush time to shine but aside from them never actually having him say "we" or the whole "wallopin web snappers!!! he doesn't set off my spider-sense!"(even though we see that happen in the film when he drops down and grabs spidey by the face)

we basically got the basics of venom in the film....Venom/Eddie Brock is NOT that deep of a character...well at least not in the first few comics of his history anyway..

he was simple this jerk who lied to make a few buck in the newspaper industry..spidey busted him..Eddie got pissed and started blaming all his problems on spidey (which is really stupid for him to have so much hatred towards spidey when spidey hardly ever did anythign to him) so he wanted revenge, and when he got the symbiote he became venom and did what he could to get his revenge on webhead..and eventually called himself the lethal protector of the innocent cause he himself though he was an "innocent victim" which is ********.

and that's that's the basis of who Eddie Brock/Venom really is. not that deep of a character....i love him too but lets face it he is simply popular...he doesn't have anything about his charact that makes him such a deep and interesting character other than having spidey's powers..knowing everything about him and being able to block his spider-sense..but lets face it Green Goblin is a much more interesting character and can do all of that minus having pete's powers...

Sandman is even worse in terms of being a deep character..he is simply a thief with powers....he was unnecessary for the film sure but he was Sam and Tobey's favorite villain so the tweaked him to have a story and use him in a film. at that point in time in comics sandman in SM3 was waaaaaay more interesting the the comic book version..from what I gathered.

Venom got screwed over not cause of Sam..not cause of Topher Grace, (who wasn't that bad and i call ******** on most of you here complainign about him cause i distinctly remember when he was casted over half of you all were jumping for joy about it) but Sony....since they forced Venom on Sam..and even more so we can blame ourselves...we are the ones who kept chanting "WE WANT VENOM WE WANT VENOM!"
so sony was like "Let's give em venom!"

 

[Anno_Domini]

I just felt Venom served his purpose overall. It worked, IMO.

Er....

What was his purpose?

This.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I just felt Venom served his purpose overall. It worked, IMO.

What was that purpose?

sure Venom didn't get that mush time to shine but aside from them never actually having him say "we" or the whole "wallopin web snappers!!! he doesn't set off my spider-sense!"(even though we see that happen in the film when he drops down and grabs spidey by the face)

we basically got the basics of venom in the film....Venom/Eddie Brock is NOT that deep of a character...well at least not in the first few comics of his history anyway..

he was simple this jerk who lied to make a few buck in the newspaper industry..spidey busted him..Eddie got pissed and started blaming all his problems on spidey (which is really stupid for him to have so much hatred towards spidey when spidey hardly ever did anythign to him) so he wanted revenge, and when he got the symbiote he became venom and did what he could to get his revenge on webhead..and eventually called himself the lethal protector of the innocent cause he himself though he was an "innocent victim" which is ********.

and that's that's the basis of who Eddie Brock/Venom really is. not that deep of a character....i love him too but lets face it he is simply popular...he doesn't have anything about his charact that makes him such a deep and interesting character other than having spidey's powers..knowing everything about him and being able to block his spider-sense..but lets face it Green Goblin is a much more interesting character and can do all of that minus having pete's powers...

Sandman is even worse in terms of being a deep character..he is simply a thief with powers....he was unnecessary for the film sure but he was Sam and Tobey's favorite villain so the tweaked him to have a story and use him in a film. at that point in time in comics sandman in SM3 was waaaaaay more interesting the the comic book version..from what I gathered.

Venom got screwed over not cause of Sam..not cause of Topher Grace, (who wasn't that bad and i call ******** on most of you here complainign about him cause i distinctly remember when he was casted over half of you all were jumping for joy about it) but Sony....since they forced Venom on Sam..and even more so we can blame ourselves...we are the ones who kept chanting "WE WANT VENOM WE WANT VENOM!"
so sony was like "Let's give em venom!"

Venom's not that deep of a character, but I never really felt Spider-Man 3 portrayed Venom as the massive threat to Peter he was in the comics.

I'd say that's it because Peter didn't learn any lessons from his encounter with Venom. By the time Venom was created Peter had already rejected the black suit and seen the error of his ways.

So why did this movie need Venom?

I have to agree. It's not like the Venom arc in Ultimate Spider-Man, where Spider-Man/Peter Parker vs Eddie Brock/Venom was the story's natural conclusion. There's no dramatic reason that Venom couldn't have been saved for Spider-Man 4 as the main antagonist.

 

[Anno_Domini]

He didn't have one single purpose. The symbiote could've taken over Sandman and it would feel the same. Nowhere did Venom seem like VENOM in Spider-Man 3. Heck, since Raimi created a whole new Goblin character he could've just had Sandman become a symbiote slash sand metahuman and it would've been totally fine, haha. Venom, in S-M 3 only took the same exact liberties and steps that Doc Ock took and Green Goblin took and had no different purpose than what the villain predecessors did, and what they did had much more meaning to it.

 

[Nevincer]

I'd say that's it because Peter didn't learn any lessons from his encounter with Venom. By the time Venom was created Peter had already rejected the black suit and seen the error of his ways.

So why did this movie need Venom?

It didn't. The symbiote and it's interaction with Parker are the only remotely interesting thing about it... when it merges with Brock there's absolutely nothing fascinating on a character level, the only thing that could be said is that it's symbolic of Parker fighting with himself. Even then Spider-Man 3 bothered to take neither concept seriously.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Venom was only interesting in the Spider-Man 3: The Black, or whatever it was called, because we got to see the actual development from just Eddie Brock to full-fledge villain Venom. Spider-Man 3 showed nothing of the like.

 

[Venom75]

"The Black" was a great little comic. It was kinda like a Spider-man 3.1. I wish they would released a longer version though. Maybe even redo the whole film in comic version with all the deleted or cut scenes?

 

[Anno_Domini]

The Black was a nice read and way more enjoyable than the entire Spider-Man 3.

 

[GoldGoblin]

All the other movies didn't have the villains be the villains right when the movie started,they had to build up to it.

So if they did save Venom for SM4,then that movie could of been a mess.What would Venom do from the start of the movie to the end of the movie.He would try to kill Peter until he did it,he wouldn't just retreat so Peter can go through things in the movie.

So Raimi did a good job for showing Venom in the last act of SM3,but he did mess up by not giving Venom more action scenes for that part.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The Dark Knight did it.

And from what the prologue speaks of, The Dark Knight Rises will do it.

Venom could have easily been a villain from the beginning; it just takes skills to make it work.

 

[Godzilla2014]

He didn't have one single purpose. The symbiote could've taken over Sandman and it would feel the same. Nowhere did Venom seem like VENOM in Spider-Man 3. Heck, since Raimi created a whole new Goblin character he could've just had Sandman become a symbiote slash sand metahuman and it would've been totally fine, haha. Venom, in S-M 3 only took the same exact liberties and steps that Doc Ock took and Green Goblin took and had no different purpose than what the villain predecessors did, and what they did had much more meaning to it.

We never really got to see much of the appeal of Venom from the comics in the film, certainly not enough for my tastes. We never saw Spider-Man as an underdog at a great disadvantage against Venom, and we never saw Venom really torment Peter and push him to the edge.

The Dark Knight did it.

And from what the prologue speaks of, The Dark Knight Rises will do it.

Venom could have easily been a villain from the beginning; it just takes skills to make it work.

Venom's origin is not like those of Green Goblin or Doc Ock. Venom's origin is an entire story in itself, one that heavily involves Spider-Man himself.

 

[Anno_Domini]

We never really got to see much of the appeal of Venom from the comics in the film, certainly not enough for my tastes. We never saw Spider-Man as an underdog at a great disadvantage against Venom, and we never saw Venom really torment Peter and push him to the edge.

Venom's origin is not like those of Green Goblin or Doc Ock. Venom's origin is an entire story in itself, one that heavily involves Spider-Man himself.

That's why Venom could work in a Spider-Man 4 instead of being in the third act only. Venom can start as a villain from the get-go and torment every single loved one of Peter. Sure, Green Goblin tried it, but I'm talking about overly-psychotic tormenting that stresses even Peter out to the core and feels the lives of Aunt May, MJ, et cetera because to a point, Peter feels like he can't stop Venom at all. That's the Venom we deserved, but one we didn't get. So, yes, that could hold for an entire movie.

 

[Godzilla2014]

That's why Venom could work in a Spider-Man 4 instead of being in the third act only. Venom can start as a villain from the get-go and torment every single loved one of Peter. Sure, Green Goblin tried it, but I'm talking about overly-psychotic tormenting that stresses even Peter out to the core and feels the lives of Aunt May, MJ, et cetera because to a point, Peter feels like he can't stop Venom at all. That's the Venom we deserved, but one we didn't get. So, yes, that could hold for an entire movie.

Agreed. What I love about the comic-book incarnation of Venom, especially in his early appearances, is that he makes an excellent overdog for Spider-Man to be the underdog against. He has Spidey's powers (plus the physical edge) in addition to powers of his own. He's a very intimidating opponent, and he loves it.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Agreed. What I love about the comic-book incarnation of Venom, especially in his early appearances, is that he makes an excellent overdog for Spider-Man to be the underdog against. He has Spidey's powers (plus the physical edge) in addition to powers of his own. He's a very intimidating opponent, and he loves it.

And that's what Nolan understood about Bane, and is using that to his advantage. It's very unknown of what use Venom, the drug, will be in TDKR, but he understands that Bane can very well be the exact opposite of Batman with immense training and peak physical conditions as with Bruce Wayne.

Venom could've very well been the most intimidating foe for Spidey, but just turned out to be a B-rated villain at best who had to ask for help when Doc Ock and Green Goblin didn't have to.