Homecoming The Sinister Six Thread

[JOE]

Don't know about that. Doc Ock alone should draw more interest than any of the Suicide Squad guys, being more recognizable due to SM2.

With who they're planning to cast for these roles I highly doubt it... DC is going after big names from the looks of it.

 

[Hurm...]

Sony's made a real mess out of their "Webbiverse." I think this will all blow up in their face, and their Sinister Six will probably come off as derivative - like the TASM series.

 

[Nemeres]

Sony's made a real mess out of their "Webbiverse." I think this will all blow up in their face, and their Sinister Six will probably come off as derivative - like the TASM series.

Sony's made a mess, but WB/DC hasn't made anything. Their Suicide Squad characters remain completely unintroduced. The TASM movies haven't been great, but at least the S6 villains are in the public consciousness. There's a lot of "Sony this, Sony that" online, but one thing I've noticed is that once the hoopla and the marketing campaign are in full gear, many of the things people were sure were gonna be "issues" for the film dissolve away completely. That's without counting the potentially good reviews.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

Sony's made a mess, but WB/DC hasn't made anything. Their Suicide Squad characters remain completely unintroduced. The TASM movies haven't been great, but at least the S6 villains are in the public consciousness. There's a lot of "Sony this, Sony that" online, but one thing I've noticed is that once the hoopla and the marketing campaign are in full gear, many of the things people were sure were gonna be "issues" for the film dissolve away completely. That's without counting the potentially good reviews.

That's probably why they're relying on A-list actors for those unknown characters. Unknown to the GA that is.

IMO the Suicide Squad film might break Sinister Six' neck. Everyone will say that Sony once again are rehashing other studios' ideas.

 

[blake c]

Maybe I'm to much of an optimistic, but I view The Sinister 6 as a way for Sony to fix their past mistakes. Maybe give Rhino so more background, give Goblin more screentime, and finish out the whole Oscorp arc for good and have a fresh palette for TASM 3.

 

[GoldGoblin]

a lost artifact has been broken into two.Legend has it that when the two pieces are put together,the artifact has the ability to remove superpowers from everyone in the universe except for the ones who has the artifact.

Doc Ock has half of the artifact in his possession,and he gets a team together to go after the person who has the other half of it.Doc Ock convinces them to join him telling them that once they have the whole artifact,that Spider-Man and every other person with superpowers will turn into regular normal people,and that nobody will be able to stop them from ruling the world.

Make the villain the Sinister Six fights for the other half of the artifact be Mr.Sinister or Doctor Doom.

 

[W/ Great Power]

a lost artifact has been broken into two.Legend has it that when the two pieces are put together,the artifact has the ability to remove superpowers from everyone in the universe except for the ones who has the artifact.

Doc Ock has half of the artifact in his possession,and he gets a team together to go after the person who has the other half of it.Doc Ock convinces them to join him telling them that once they have the whole artifact,that Spider-Man and every other person with superpowers will turn into regular normal people,and that nobody will be able to stop them from ruling the world.

Make the villain the Sinister Six fights for the other half of the artifact be Mr.Sinister or Doctor Doom.

Interesting.

Not that the series doesn't have a little bit of Sci-Fi in it already, but the "artifact" would add an even heavier element of it. I also think there would need to be more of an explanation provided as to where the artifact comes from, and how it has an effect on superpowers.

Also, Ock has already been shown to be in Oscorp, so this would mean that the artifact is already in Oscorp as well.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

Maybe I'm to much of an optimistic, but I view The Sinister 6 as a way for Sony to fix their past mistakes. Maybe give Rhino so more background, give Goblin more screentime, and finish out the whole Oscorp arc for good and have a fresh palette for TASM 3.

Let's be honest. The best thing to do at this point, is to end this trilogy with a "spider-man vs. Sinister six" movie. Your ideas can be applied to this as well, I like them!

No love interest. Except maybe black cat as a sidekick to help him in the finale, as she was already introduced in TASM2. Start the film where we ended, have him fight mecha Rhino. After he gets defeated, Oscorp makes him a much tighter suit, which still resembles a rhino "I want him to remember me" Aleksei says.

Don't introduce too many new villais. Maybe doc ock only. Re-use Electro. Re-use even Lizard (mind controlled, transformed by a more powerful version of the serum, making him a ferocious beast - with a snout). Goblin has to be there as well. Drop norman. Reaveal Menken/Ratha to be the Chameleon. And there you have your sinister six!

This film would also end the Oscorp element. They could introduce the black suit but I don't think it's necessary. Black cat would help him defeat them. The lizard would turn good again. So it's three vs. five.

After that: recast, but continue the established Webb-i-verse. I. e. no gwen, no origin!

 

[OriginalMiles]

I like that idea.

 

[spiderral]

I got round to watching Batman: Assault on Arkham today and something along the lines of that with the Sinister Six might work! I think the only issue is deciding how much you limit having Spidey in the film and if you can draw the audience's attention to what the characters of the S6 are doing rather than wondering about Spidey and where he's gone to.

I can see Doc Ock being the 'protagonist' within the S6 group, as Deadshot was in AoA (who I quite liked and thought was quite a badass). As for the Green Goblin and his position in the group, idk. I can see a conflict arising between GG and Doc Ock, about who is more capable of running the group, but I think they need to improve on DeHaan's GG from TASM2 before we have a definitive version of the character in S6, one that can match Doc Ock.

If this film does get made and the GG and Spidey are in it, I don't think the two should ever be on-screen with each other and battle. Spidey could be chasing/looking for GG to get his revenge and then GG could die at the end of the film but it's revealed that they couldn't find his body (taking cues from AoA), just so that they can wrap up Harry's storyline and have the choice of introducing him in TASM3 or not. A GG and Spidey fight would be best saved for a solo film IMO, there's too much going on between Peter and Harry to be contained in a S6 film.

 

[spiderral]

The more I think about it, the S6 can hopefully be a good way to clear up the subplots in TASM2, mould them into something interesting and resolve the plot points so that TASM3 can be something fresh and doesn't have to be burdened with that stuff.

If Sony are wise and care about the TASM franchise, then they should be considering this. Either that or scrap the spin-off films and just continue with TASM3 but disregard everything that happened in TASM2 apart from Gwen's death.

 

[W/ Great Power]

I got round to watching Batman: Assault on Arkham today and something along the lines of that with the Sinister Six might work! I think the only issue is deciding how much you limit having Spidey in the film and if you can draw the audience's attention to what the characters of the S6 are doing rather than wondering about Spidey and where he's gone to.

I can see Doc Ock being the 'protagonist' within the S6 group, as Deadshot was in AoA (who I quite liked and thought was quite a badass). As for the Green Goblin and his position in the group, idk. I can see a conflict arising between GG and Doc Ock, about who is more capable of running the group, but I think they need to improve on DeHaan's GG from TASM2 before we have a definitive version of the character in S6, one that can match Doc Ock.

If this film does get made and the GG and Spidey are in it, I don't think the two should ever be on-screen with each other and battle. Spidey could be chasing/looking for GG to get his revenge and then GG could die at the end of the film but it's revealed that they couldn't find his body (taking cues from AoA), just so that they can wrap up Harry's storyline and have the choice of introducing him in TASM3 or not. A GG and Spidey fight would be best saved for a solo film IMO, there's too much going on between Peter and Harry to be contained in a S6 film.

Agreed. Spidey and Harry/Goblin need to be saved for one ultimate showdown, whether that's in TASM3 or a possible sequel (you never know). The clock tower fight should be their only encounter with their powers until that eventual fight.

It's enough for them to have to cover the other four villains that haven't been introduced yet. Also, while there should be a power struggle within the group, I believe the eventual leader should be Doc Ock. I'm not all antsy about comic book accuracy for small details here and there, but they're going to be introducing the S6 for the first time onscreen. This is one of the prominent story-lines from Spidey's comics, and they need to do it the right way. Goblin wasn't even part of the original S6 in the first place. Furthermore, I just can't see Harry, at least this version of him, manning a group of badass villains. This could also provide a different arc where the group ousts him as well, and adds to the rage he felt after being cheated by Oscorp.

 

[degraves93]

Agreed. Spidey and Harry/Goblin need to be saved for one ultimate showdown, whether that's in TASM3 or a possible sequel (you never know). The clock tower fight should be their only encounter with their powers until that eventual fight.

It's enough for them to have to cover the other four villains that haven't been introduced yet. Also, while there should be a power struggle within the group, I believe the eventual leader should be Doc Ock. I'm not all antsy about comic book accuracy for small details here and there, but they're going to be introducing the S6 for the first time onscreen. This is one of the prominent story-lines from Spidey's comics, and they need to do it the right way. Goblin wasn't even part of the original S6 in the first place. Furthermore, I just can't see Harry, at least this version of him, manning a group of badass villains. This could also provide a different arc where the group ousts him as well, and adds to the rage he felt after being cheated by Oscorp.

Would you prefer Doc Ock to be Otto or Carolyn? I'm down for either.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Would you prefer Doc Ock to be Otto or Carolyn? I'm down for either.

I would be down for either as well, but it certainly depends on which direction they choose to go with, especially with Carolyn.

Do they show her taking the place of Octavius after his death, or develop an entirely new arc for her?

Ultimately, regardless of what they decide to do, they need to embrace the Molina comparisons and understand they have an uphill battle, as he's already been brilliantly executed onscreen.

 

[spiderral]

Agreed. Spidey and Harry/Goblin need to be saved for one ultimate showdown, whether that's in TASM3 or a possible sequel (you never know). The clock tower fight should be their only encounter with their powers until that eventual fight.

It's enough for them to have to cover the other four villains that haven't been introduced yet. Also, while there should be a power struggle within the group, I believe the eventual leader should be Doc Ock. I'm not all antsy about comic book accuracy for small details here and there, but they're going to be introducing the S6 for the first time onscreen. This is one of the prominent story-lines from Spidey's comics, and they need to do it the right way. Goblin wasn't even part of the original S6 in the first place. Furthermore, I just can't see Harry, at least this version of him, manning a group of badass villains. This could also provide a different arc where the group ousts him as well, and adds to the rage he felt after being cheated by Oscorp.

Yes, I could definitely see that working too. Fiers could be the one who has the ultimate say in casting Harry out of the group, leading Harry to be mad at all of them.

 

[W/ Great Power]

It's fine, we can carry it on until someone yells at us lol. If Raimi and Co. managed to find a way to make EVERY SINGLE VILLAIN have a personal connection to Peter, then Goddard can make the Oscorp connection work. Each and every one of them has their petty grievances and insecurities, and maybe each of them are screwed over by Oscorp in a separate way, like Max and Harry. Spidey will be included in some respect I imagine, it's just the extent that we don't know. The fact that Garfield knew anything at all about the script clues me into that.

Thought I would bring the conversation here, because I know there's people who want that thread to be specifically what it was made for.

I suppose you're right about them making the Oscorp connection. Another important factor that has yet to be explained, though, is Fiers and his relation to the villains. He's an aspect of the last two films that could help make some kind of sense out of all this if they elaborated on him. Let's say they go with the Oscorp route:

- Did Fiers know Harry would get ousted?
- What does Fiers know about Peter? There's obviously a connection there if you go back to the end of TASM1. However, it would be a real drag if they brought back the parent story-line at this point.
- Is Fiers on the side of Menken or Harry? Obviously Fiers has known about "Special Projects" all along. How is he now using that as his base of operation with Harry if Menken is in charge of Oscorp? Or are these plans being carried on without Menken's knowledge? All Menken seemed to want was corporate power, so I can't see how he would be involved with the group.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Fiers is the X factor that will finally need to be explained in S6. Those are just questions off the top of my head, but they're the reason why I think S6 provides a little bit of breathing space in order to fill the vague holes that the end of TASM2 left us with.

The villains will also need motives beyond the ones they gave for Harry and Max, as I think doing so will make things too redundant. Rhino, for example, was plotting against Oscorp, but he somehow got wrapped up in their plans to get back at Spidey (I have a bad feeling they won't have an explanation for that, though).

 

[OriginalMiles]

Dane DeHaan – Green Goblin
Jamie Foxx – Electro
Paul Giamatti – RHINO
Alan Rickman – Doctor Octopus
Jackie Earle Haley – The Vulture
Zachery Quinto – Mysterio

My ideal cast, I guess.

I NEED NEWS.

 

[degraves93]

Dane DeHaan – Green Goblin
Jamie Foxx – Electro
Paul Giamatti – RHINO
Alan Rickman – Doctor Octopus
Jackie Earle Haley – The Vulture
Zachery Quinto – Mysterio

My ideal cast, I guess.

I NEED NEWS.

ME TOO

My ideal cast


Dane DeHaan - Green Goblin

Paul Giamatti - Rhino

Eva Green - Doctor Octopus / Bryan Cranston if it's Otto

Peter Capaldi - Vulture

Jimmy Smits - Kraven

Tim Curry - Mysterio

 

[OriginalMiles]

OOoh, Capaldi as Vulture? Interesting choice. I think he could do it!

 

[Nemeres]

ME TOO

My ideal cast


Dane DeHaan - Green Goblin

Paul Giamatti - Rhino

Eva Green - Doctor Octopus / Bryan Cranston if it's Otto

Peter Capaldi - Vulture

Jimmy Smits - Kraven

Tim Curry - Mysterio

That's a great pick, actually. It would be jarring to see him in a role that doesn't allow hilarious non-stop cursing, though. t: (I know him from In the Loop)

For Ock, I might like a younger guy. I get a feeling he could be the star of the film. A fast & furious, arrogant young dude would be an interesting reinterpretation after Molina's take.

 

[degraves93]

That would be incredible to explore. I hope that would be explored more on the S6 film especially the part with rhino

I love responses like this. No needless negativity, no TASM2 bashing, just open mindlessness and actual interest in future developments.

 

[degraves93]

Of course. I mean the series has enough bashing. All it's trying to do is be a great series. I don't want it being compared to trash especially for years if a reboot comes to marvel and creators makes jokes about it while audiences laugh I just want this series to recover. Sony would be suicidal not to do that.

I want S6 to at least be a critical success, it has the potential.

 

[degraves93]

indeed it does.it really needs to be great. i want this series to be great. it has enough bashing already. with what warner bros. fox and marvel are doing with the CBMs sony should step up and not mess around. spidey can't be the only one with a bad series

S6 will more likely than not get better reviews than TASM2 did, even with Suicide Squad coming out the same year, because it's a concept that hasn't really been done that often. It's not a conventional Spidey flick. That's why I doubt it'll get cancelled, Sony may actually want it to be in competition with Suicide Squad. There were two Hercules movies released just this past year.

 

[degraves93]

That's a great pick, actually. It would be jarring to see him in a role that doesn't allow hilarious non-stop cursing, though. t: (I know him from In the Loop)

For Ock, I might like a younger guy. I get a feeling he could be the star of the film. A fast & furious, arrogant young dude would be an interesting reinterpretation after Molina's take.

He doesn't swear much in Dr. Who and I LOVE In the Loop. If he is the Vulture, he'll probably keep his accent, which would be awesome.

 

[degraves93]

Sinister six I feel will be great. It would totally be a total step up for Sony's status especially with drew Goddard. The other smart thing they can do is hire drew Goddard as the producer for the spiderman movies.

Why do I feel like finding a positive opinion about Sinister Six is as rare as finding a four-leaf clover? It shouldn't be this difficult to come across.