BvS The Superman Suit Thread - Part 3

[souperman]

How so?

...doesn't he use the cape to shield humans from time to time? At least he did on the tv show...
And in one of those old Fleischer cartoons where Superman used the cape to protect Lois from molten lava.. ...mag ma.

...and don't forget superman 2 where he pulls the cellphone S from his cape and...
Never mind. Let's forget...

 

[LaserBees]

Batman's suit is geared toward being functional, be his cape, belt, climbing gears and batmobile.

At least in the comics for most of DC's history, Superman's suit is never functional, including his cape, boot and in some case his belt & trunk. Superman wear his suit mainly for the aesthetic form of beauty. His suit being armor-like is beside the point - the aesthetic is still ugly with all these lines. His suit can still be made of armor-like materials/self-replicating materials. It is how he was drawn in the comics over the last two decades, and I'm looking at these through eyes of artist that I used to be. The golden rule in comics is to keep it simple and not overly complicated with neck collar, armor, belt etc.

I don't think this matters much. The cape completes the aesthetic. There's many things that 'don't make sense' with Superman but that doesn't really matter either in my opinion. Like his secret identity being a pair of glasses or his instant suit changes which includes boots and everything, etc.

Exactly. Which is why it makes no sense at all when people complain that Superman's New 52 belt isn't functional. That's the point I was trying to make. It's not a valid criticism of the New 52 suit, because none of the elements of Superman's suit are functional, and that's ok.

...doesn't he use the cape to shield humans from time to time? At least he did on the tv show...
And in one of those old Fleischer cartoons where Superman used the cape to protect Lois from molten lava.. ...mag ma.

...and don't forget superman 2 where he pulls the cellphone S from his cape and...
Never mind. Let's forget...

For him to actually be able to use his cape like this it would have to be an extremely durable material. Only an alien armor could withstand that and still be flowing like a cape. And I don't consider this an essential or even desirable part of his character. I suppose you support the idea that his suit should be Kryptonian armor?

 

[matt47]

...doesn't he use the cape to shield humans from time to time? At least he did on the tv show...
And in one of those old Fleischer cartoons where Superman used the cape to protect Lois from molten lava.. ...mag ma.

...and don't forget superman 2 where he pulls the cellphone S from his cape and...
Never mind. Let's forget...

 

[souperman]

Exactly. Which is why it makes no sense at all when people complain that Superman's New 52 belt isn't functional. That's the point I was trying to make. It's not a valid criticism of the New 52 suit, because none of the elements of Superman's suit are functional, and that's ok.



For him to actually be able to use his cape like this it would have to be an extremely durable material. Only an alien armor could withstand that and still be flowing like a cape. And I don't consider this an essential or even desirable part of his character. I suppose you support the idea that his suit should be Kryptonian armor?

...well the suit IS Kryptonian. Maybe as said a self healing material? Should be advanced in some ways.

I don't support or defend any particular idea and I resemble those remarks. just curious.

some observations:


In the TV show, the material could not be cut or burned or ripped or even soiled etc.

Odd that in MOS, Zods cape caught fire and he ripped it off. (dramatically) but Supermans cape did not catch fire but went through the same inferno.

JorEls suit was pierced by Zods blade so on Krypton the material is not impervious. Also the needle went through the suit when they took Sups blood. ( they could have taken from his neck )

All the explosions and fire and gravity waves etc did not harm or soil the suit.

I heard or read a long time ago, that maybe Superman generates a force field of sorts a few millimeters over the surface of his body protecting his suit... but then why did his human cloths get burned off in the oil rig?

...oh bother...

But I do agree that the suit is not essential to his powers, and the cape only as a very visible easy to see symbol.

( but then why could he all of a sudden fly when wearing the suit but not before ?...so may questions...)

Maybe in MOS they view the suit as a solar amplifier? Would be great if Zach would answer these Qs. I am sure they contemplated all.

I had a thought during the wait for MOS that they may do away with the cape as well as the trunks since it is not necessary to his abilities and could be a detriment...like Zod spinning him into space... (remember the Invincibles?)

essentially - I though there could be a scene that shows Kal first using the suit. He talks with Martha and tells her he is going to remove the cape since it is unnecessary. She tells him to keep the cape. It serves to be a "visible" symbol, a sign that people can see from far off and know there is hope. ...and it looks pretty cool too Clark !

...something along those lines.

Have you guys seen this:?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-14rjWUM

fascinating... ( I am raising my eyebrow)


...moley moley moley moley...

 

[TheTarkKnight]

To take that discussion a step further...


Q: Where did the suit come from in the first place?

A: The Kryptonian scout ship. (Didn't that scout ship go down later in the movie when Zod was commanding it and Supes cut through it with heat vision? I really can't remember at the moment.)


Q: When Superman's suit changes in BvS, should we understand that he remodeled his suit? If so, does that mean that he has a supply of Kryptonian fabric in various colors and the scout ship has an onboard tailor/machine to sew them to his liking?

A: ???


Q: Why are all the other Kryptonian suits one dark color, and Superman's suit is three colors? (Blue, Red, and Yellow)

A: ???


Q: If Superman has the capability to tailor a suit that is impervious to fire, heat, bullets, impact, etc., after he becomes friends with Batman, why doesn't he make a suit for Batman so he doesn't have to use other earthly materials that is vulnerable to such?

A: ???

 

[rockandrollsoul]

To take that discussion a step further...

Q: When Superman's suit changes in BvS, should we understand that he remodeled his suit? If so, does that mean that he has a supply of Kryptonian fabric in various colors and the scout ship has an onboard tailor/machine to sew them to his liking?

Q: Why are all the other Kryptonian suits one dark color, and Superman's suit is three colors? (Blue, Red, and Yellow)

Q: If Superman has the capability to tailor a suit that is impervious to fire, heat, bullets, impact, etc., after he becomes friends with Batman, why doesn't he make a suit for Batman so he doesn't have to use other earthly materials that is vulnerable to such?

In my eyes, the change of suit is subtle enough that it requires no explanation. Most viewers wouldn't even notice the difference.

His suit may be different from the other Kryptonian suits because the scout ship it was found on had crashed thousands of years ago. Also, it looks to be more of a ceremonial suit. Again, it doesn't really require explanation.

Personally, I don't need an explanation for why his suit is impervious either. It's an alien material. That's all the explanation I need and I really hope the movie treats the audience with more respect than feeling they need to explain every little detail like this.

 

[souperman]

of course non of this really needs answers. just interesting to ponder.

...that was an awfully big closet for one outfit! and an interesting way to store it!

I am thinking it was made new by the ship when Jor opened the door.

Jor's Kryptonian suit was "bluer" than Zods group. I think that the red sun on Krypton makes the suit look darker... in red light, the blue/red would look darker.

Maybe they were trying t be realistic. ?

I think they chose "dramatic over realistic... no prob. but some of Goyer's "could have been better.

great hope for BVS

 

[Kirmit]

Wasn't Jor El's undersuit three colours aswell? Albeit very dark but I though it was Navy blue with a gold 'S' emblem on a black background.

 

[souperman]

...exactly

And if you remember, parts of JorEl' s armor "grew"on him. Nano build like.

We may still get a grow on suit. Otherwise where does he hide the cape and boots?
Where does he hide his street cloths for that matter?...
Oh well, sit back and enjoy the show!��

 

[golfguy22]

...exactly

And if you remember, parts of JorEl' s armor "grew"on him. Nano build like.

We may still get a grow on suit. Otherwise where does he hide the cape and boots?
Where does he hide his street cloths for that matter?...
Oh well, sit back and enjoy the show!��

I think this may be the best bet. In order to best explain why the suit is different/he can wear it under his clothes, the best way would be that it has some nanotech-esque composition and can be altered.

 

[souperman]

my cape collection manips...

 

[souperman]

I hope one of those little robot Keelor guys survived to help Supes out. May be his taylor!

Sorta like Jarvis!

...Hey Keelor. whip me up some new threads. Update the design a bit. ; )

(keelor 2) beepy bleep...yes sir, I thing square buckles are in this season...

 

[matt47]

Hasn't Snyder already answered those questions?
Superman's suit is different than the ones on Krypton because it was in the prime time for Krypton and the colours were brighter back then. The reason everyones suits on Krypton were dark was because that was just the "style" then. Jor El's suit was brighter than Zods armie's because he was a different bloodline/worker.

 

[elgaz]

...doesn't he use the cape to shield humans from time to time? At least he did on the tv show...
And in one of those old Fleischer cartoons where Superman used the cape to protect Lois from molten lava.. ...mag ma.

...and don't forget superman 2 where he pulls the cellphone S from his cape and...
Never mind. Let's forget...

Cellphone S you say?

 

[matt47]

holy crap that is awesome.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Q: Why are all the other Kryptonian suits one dark color, and Superman's suit is three colors? (Blue, Red, and Yellow)

Actually, The Kryptonian leader's suit is red. I wouldn't be surprised if another one had green.

 

[souperman]

Cellphone S you say?

...question my auto correct will ya!


...hey cool phone...

 

[LaserBees]

I really like the idea of Superman's suit being self-repairing Kryptonian fabric. It makes sense that an advanced society would create suits that do that, and it works perfectly for Superman.

 

[KillerWolf]

I really like the idea of Superman's suit being self-repairing Kryptonian fabric. It makes sense that an advanced society would create suits that do that, and it works perfectly for Superman.

Or simply impossible to tear. I like this too.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I've been posting my idea for like 10 years now, to see the suit actually expanding and growing onto his chest through Kryptonian technology. A shirt rip scene showing the suit have this capability would be cool and stop people from asking "how does he wear that under his clothes?" It could form out of the necklace he wears under his clothes or something. Programmed by Jor-el because the suit would help him draw up the solar energy maximizing his power.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I don't know if I'd want to see it grow on him for the first shirt rip scene. I'd rather get a traditional shirt rip, and then if they want to do a cool scifi nanotech version later in the film that would be cool. This kinda makes me want to make an animated nanotech manip.

 

[regwec]

I really like the idea of Superman's suit being self-repairing Kryptonian fabric. It makes sense that an advanced society would create suits that do that, and it works perfectly for Superman.

It's quite likely that, as on Earth, consumer products on Krypton would be designed to regularly wear out or become obsolete.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

8 minute animation yo!

NO, not a good animation that lasts 8 minutes. A bad animation made in 8 minutes.

 

[Bathead]

Just as an aside, an earlier mention of how invulnerable the suit is, and what happens when it gets dirty .... A good number of years ago, it was suggested in the comics that when Superman's suit gets really filthy for whatever reason, (being tossed about Metropolis by Zod, say) he cleaned it by flying into the sun, vaporizing any dirt and grime from the intense heat and not harming the indestructible Kryptonian material.

 

[regwec]

It's best not to ponder these things too much. Given that water boils and begins to vaporize at 100 C, and the Sun's core temperature is about 15,000,000 C, we can only conclude that moisture does not feature anywhere in Superman's physiology.