BvS The Superman Suit Thread - Part 4

[elgaz]

In SR's defense, there was also this:

Which is one of my favorite shots in the whole movie.


Agreed.

That's the thing. It had it's moments; the scene of him lifting new Kryton was handled very well visually. But that's probably what annoys me; for every scene which looked good, there was another which looked terrible. The inconsistency especially with CGi was incredibly jarring.

I mean, there was really no excuse for a shot like this when greenscreen and wires could have been used. The CGi' model's face/neck even look skinnier than the real Routh.

 

[superboy13]

I like the Requiem for Krypton behind the scenes look at the Making of Superman Returns. It definitely gives you insight about their choices, including hair and costume.

The documentary is truly excellent.

 

[superboy13]

That's the thing. It had it's moments; the scene of him lifting new Kryton was handled very well visually. But that's probably what annoys me; for every scene which looked good, there was another which looked terrible. The inconsistency especially with CGi was incredibly jarring.

I admit I never had a big problem with the effects per se, but I thought many scenes weren't exactly very interesting to look at, which isn't something you'd expect from a Singer movie.

 

[Micromind]

Have you seen the RFK documentary? Singer went through a gazillion people.

And yes, his choices sucked.

I did many years ago, barely remember it now, but I will watch that again.

 

[STARMAN]

Not only do I like both the MOS and BvS costumes but I like how Cavill walks in it. He gives a confident vibe. Some swagger. Sometimes I feel like that is just as important as the actual design.

 

[Micromind]

That's the thing. It had it's moments; the scene of him lifting new Kryton was handled very well visually. But that's probably what annoys me; for every scene which looked good, there was another which looked terrible. The inconsistency especially with CGi was incredibly jarring.

I mean, there was really no excuse for a shot like this when greenscreen and wires could have been used. The CGi' model's face/neck even look skinnier than the real Routh.

Ha ! That is CGI Routh, and there was no reason to use a CGI Routh double for a closeup shot.

 

[elgaz]

Not only do I like both the MOS and BvS costumes but I like how Cavill walks in it. He gives a confident vibe. Some swagger. Sometimes I feel like that is just as important as the actual design.

He wears it very well.

Cavill has a natural swagger when he walks.

 

[Tra-El]

So, if anyone was curious, the outer material that is used is called glissenette. It's a highly stretchable, translucent fabric that has a rather unique texture. The chainmail accents are silk screened on to the fabric using 3D high-density ink. The fabric suit is place over the silver muscle suit, which looks to be the same process this go around. To keep the logo thin, they used a (thin) rubber cast from a 3D-printed mold for the red "hope" and the yellow underneath is the fabric of the suit painted/dyed yellow, which is pretty clever imo. You can see the yellow fabric fold under the S in the BvS trailers.

If you're interested this guy created a nearly perfect suit and detailed the process. It's truly amazing work, and if I had the dough I would definitely get one of my own

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=203816&

JeeZuz! What does one charge for that?

 

[Last Of Krypton]

That's the thing. It had it's moments; the scene of him lifting new Kryton was handled very well visually. But that's probably what annoys me; for every scene which looked good, there was another which looked terrible. The inconsistency especially with CGi was incredibly jarring.

I mean, there was really no excuse for a shot like this when greenscreen and wires could have been used. The CGi' model's face/neck even look skinnier than the real Routh.

 

[souperman]

It's just the difference in lighting, although the sculpt of the abs may be altered somewhat.

Here is the chrome suit from MOS

Edit: oops, well there's pictures of the MOS chrome suit somewhere

Not sure if that is from MOS. Way too much padding. Cavill didn't need that.

The under suit is just to enhance and keep continuity. The MOS suit had minor issues, especially with the abs not looking like real abs but like a structure.

The BvS suit is much better for looking anatomical. I don't mind the extra definition in the stills. (although they could have "corrected it a little) In motion it will look great.

 

[Micromind]

Not sure if that is from MOS. Way too much padding. Cavill didn't need that.

The under suit is just to enhance and keep continuity. The MOS suit had minor issues, especially with the abs not looking like real abs but like a structure.

He needs that, as the suit material will compress the natural muscular definition, there's no way to avoid it.

For example, MOS suit was made from the same type of materials which were use for Tobey's Spider-Man suit, and we know for a fact that Tobey's suit did have a a muscle suit underneath.

 

[WoodyROM]

Not sure if that is from MOS. Way too much padding. Cavill didn't need that.

The under suit is just to enhance and keep continuity. The MOS suit had minor issues, especially with the abs not looking like real abs but like a structure.

The BvS suit is much better for looking anatomical. I don't mind the extra definition in the stills. (although they could have "corrected it a little) In motion it will look great.

It's from MOS, but it's the mannequin, so it's mimicking both Cavill and the muscle suit. However, I neglected to mention that, nor could I find a pic of the actual suit. I'm also acting as if I'm an expert, which I am not t:

JeeZuz! What does one charge for that?

I don't know, but probably a pretty penny. It's amazing though

 

[souperman]

As am I not��

I get cha...

Rough had an undersuit I remember seeing. Was nude color not silver. Thin muscle enhancing areas. Not enough appearently.

I like SR for what it was. Some shots and sequences were great for the time.

Some not so much.

I think Singer can be a great director at times but his personal since of style for CBMs is questionable. The SR suit was... Ok. Everything in the X Men. Good...until the freekin leather suits ! Just like HandCock. What is it with these designers? I was waiting for them to break into YMCA or show tunes...and with Hugh Jackman, that's very possible. Gotta get the out takes.

Thank the stars for Wilkinson!

The shot that bothered me most from SR, besides the CGI close ups, which I am sure they thought were great and used to test us...
...was the shot when Superman is spying on Lois and rises up in the trees. Singer made Routh look like an adolescent kid peeping on the neighbor girl.
Routh looked way too young and beautiful in that shot. Just uncomfortably out of place and character.

I think Singer sometimes sucomes to he own predilections if you will...t:

 

[superboy13]

I think Singer sometimes sucomes to he own predilections if you will...t:

Wow.

 

[Rowsdower!]

That's the thing. It had it's moments; the scene of him lifting new Kryton was handled very well visually. But that's probably what annoys me; for every scene which looked good, there was another which looked terrible. The inconsistency especially with CGi was incredibly jarring.

I mean, there was really no excuse for a shot like this when greenscreen and wires could have been used. The CGi' model's face/neck even look skinnier than the real Routh.

LOL. That CGI Routh looks like that Superman guy who tries to hit people up for money on Hollywood Boulevard.

 

[souperman]

Wow.

...I think you are right.
Sounded funnier than it is. I went for the cheep laugh.

Apologies to anyone offended.

Still glad we didn't get leather again tho...

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I don't get theses complaints, I mean we know Chris Reeve was not going to appear as Superman again.

Maybe Singer didn't realize that so many fans wanted a "masculine", "manly-man" as Superman, who could have been chosen then, Cavill certainly looked a lot younger back then, Routh looked young so that leaves Matt Bomer but then does he look more masculine than the other two, so I am not sure. Who else screen-tested ? Brenden Fraser, Ashton Kutcher ? are they manly enough ?

I wasn't goi g to respond to this because the replies were spot on to what I was thinking. Will just add to that, as a comic book character that's been around for 8 decades, there is an image of Superman as masculine and muscular. I don't see what's wrong preferring someone named Superman to look like a man and not a boy especially when that boy Superman wasnt pulling a Daniel Day Lewis when it came to acting.

 

[hobo123]

That's the thing. It had it's moments; the scene of him lifting new Kryton was handled very well visually. But that's probably what annoys me; for every scene which looked good, there was another which looked terrible. The inconsistency especially with CGi was incredibly jarring.

I mean, there was really no excuse for a shot like this when greenscreen and wires could have been used. The CGi' model's face/neck even look skinnier than the real Routh.

In all fairness, I don't believe that was the final shot in the film, but this was

It still doesn't look that great but the picture you posted was just a CG model posted by a concept artist or somebody who had worked on the film.

 

[MrsKent26]

Not only do I like both the MOS and BvS costumes but I like how Cavill walks in it. He gives a confident vibe. Some swagger. Sometimes I feel like that is just as important as the actual design.

He wears it very well.

Cavill has a natural swagger when he walks.

Glad I'm not the only one who notices this. As long as it's not too exaggerated, that swagger suits Superman.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Routh probably would have looked better in a polished version of the Reeve suit than in their attempt at updating it. I'd still like to see a clear picture of Cavill in the Reeve suit.

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

I think because Supes was in a water/wet scene in the BvS pic that's why his abs pops out compared to MOS. also lighting is very tricky.

Is it the only way to get sculpted look though?

I am actually basing this idea of them going for different way to get sculpted look and not "silver suit" exactly because of the abs. They look a bit different than they did in MOS:

 

[souperman]

I think the MOS suit did not "cling" as well to the under-structure (be it Cavill or muscle suit) as the BvS suit seems to... especially in the Abs area.

The center line of the outer suit "bridges" over the Abs cut and makes the Abs seem oddly shaped/mechanical... a little.

The BvS suits, including Batman's, seem to have addressed this and the Abs look much more natural, even if VERY well developed. Prob. glued it down the center in some way.

you're welcome ladies...

And by the way... Note the arm "veins". For those who said that could not show through. It can with the right lighting and shadows...

No, not the white shirt seams.

 

[sf2]

and the horrible padded suit award goes to...

look like he got huge tumors on his shoulders. but during that time, IN SINGER WE TRUST teams still believed that it was all his muscle. haha
can someone tell singer that we are still bit**ing about the superman movie he made. lol

 

[Bruce Malone]

and the horrible padded suit award goes to...

look like he got huge tumors on his shoulders. but during that time, IN SINGER WE TRUST teams still believed that it was all his muscle. haha
can someone tell singer that we are still bit**ing about the superman movie he made. lol

The added padding was poorly done but Routh did add muscle to his frame.

Also you can't forget the muscle you see on Cavill's suit is also mainly the result of molding/padding in areas. Most of Cavill' workout effort was more so done for his shirtless scene then to necessarily fill out the suit. Natural muscle definition is hard to see through those types of suits and while Singer probably wanted Routh to not have to need padding ala Reeve they had to compromise in parts.

Either way it comes down to the fact that yeah the MoS is quite superior to the Return suit in make and look.

 

[Kanye West]

rename thread to SR suit bashing thread