The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread IX

[JAK®]

Alright, what about Catwoman, then?

Why isn't she wearing a heavy, segmented rubber wetsuit in this movie? She seems to manage to get away with something light and figure hugging. How come? Don't you think audiences will rebel when they see that she is not able to absorb 7.62mm rounds at fifteen feet?

You can argue that Catwoman has "different tactics", and I am sure you will, but she is about as analogous an example to Batman as you could possibly find. But Catwoman doesn't require the Michelin Man look. Hmmm.

End of debate.

 

[Boom]

How exactly are Catwoman's tactics all that different from Batman's, anyway?

 

[JAK®]

How exactly are Catwoman's tactics all that different from Batman's, anyway?

Some people argue that since she is more stealthy, and more of a 'thief' than a fighter, she doesn't need the extra protection.

Which is nonsense.

 

[Boom]

Batman isn't stealthy ?

 

[Lily Adler]

Apparently not.

 

[KRIM]

I don't think it's nonsense at all. Combat is not part of her role as a thief, which is why she's out and about in the first place. She goes in and out unnoticed -- job finished.

Of course she's become more active since then, but unless they plan to turn her into a quasi-vigilante than I see no reason to arm her up as some Batman-lite.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Some people argue that since she is more stealthy, and more of a 'thief' than a fighter, she doesn't need the extra protection.

Which is nonsense.

To an egotistical simpleton.

 

[Boom]

It's still a dangerous line of work, and whether she's stealing from criminals or museums and such (which have armed security guards), she runs the risk of going up against guns - despite her talents and skill.

And in this movie especially, it looks like she will be going up against Bane's mercs, all of whom carry automatic weapons.

The suit she wears provides zero body protection.

 

[JAK®]

To an egotistical simpleton.

Impossible, for that is not me.

 

[JAK®]

It's still a dangerous line of work, and whether she's stealing from criminals or museums and such (which have armed security guards), she runs the risk of going up against guns - despite her talents and skill.

And in this movie especially, it looks like she will be going up against Bane's mercs, all of whom carry automatic weapons.

The suit she wears provides zero body protection.

And you know the wonderful reason why people are ignoring this double standard? Because the idea of a woman in tactical armour isn't as sexy to them as a skintight catsuit!

 

[Don Corleone]

You guys need to chill. It's a film. You all liked the last two. Why always look for something to complain about?
Batmans voice is crap, his suit should be fabric, blah blah.
At least I know, you guys know, deep down it's all gonna be amazing

 

[JAK®]

You guys need to chill. It's a film. You all liked the last two. Why always look for something to complain about?
Batmans voice is crap, his suit should be fabric, blah blah.
At least I know, you guys know, deep down it's all gonna be amazing

The truth is that our complaints are amplified because of people who treat us like idiots for having them. If people could be more tolerant then our complaints won't seem as loud.

 

[Don Corleone]

The truth is that our complaints are amplified because of people who treat us like idiots for having them. If people could be more tolerant then our complaints won't seem as loud.

Fair enough.

 

[Boom]

And despite our complaining, I don't recall anybody saying the movie wouldn't be amazing because of Batman's voice or the rubber suit.

I'm looking forward to this movie just as much as anybody. But when I don't like something, I appreciate the freedom to express my opinion.

 

[Dark Knight]

And despite our complaining, I don't recall anybody saying the movie wouldn't be amazing because of Batman's voice or the rubber suit.

I'm looking forward to this movie just as much as anybody. But when I don't like something, I appreciate the freedom to express my opinion.

Off topic...but Boom! haha

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Alright, what about Catwoman, then?

Why isn't she wearing a heavy, segmented rubber wetsuit in this movie? She seems to manage to get away with something light and figure hugging. How come? Don't you think audiences will rebel when they see that she is not able to absorb 7.62mm rounds at fifteen feet?

You can argue that Catwoman has "different tactics", and I am sure you will, but she is about as analogous an example to Batman as you could possibly find. But Catwoman doesn't require the Michelin Man look. Hmmm.

Nice point. However it is yet to be seen what role Catwoman will play in the film. Other than being a prostitute and a thief, she's always played the role of the anti-hero.

In addition, we've probably not seen the entire finished product. So how can we judge at this point?

 

[KRIM]

It's still a dangerous line of work, and whether she's stealing from criminals or museums and such (which have armed security guards), she runs the risk of going up against guns - despite her talents and skill.

And in this movie especially, it looks like she will be going up against Bane's mercs, all of whom carry automatic weapons.

The suit she wears provides zero body protection.

It's a risk, but a limited one. If it weren't, she wouldn't be a highly skilled thief.

I don't think it is the right comparison for Batman. There are enough valid points to support fabric armor without bringing in an unrelated character. At first I presumed Catwoman was brought in to highlight a double standard -- a fair case. However it's starting to sound like people actually want an armored Catwoman. I would be vehemently opposed to that. And it has nothing to do with her sex.

 

[Boom]

We know she chased after three enemy Tumblers on the Batpod.

I think it's safe to say she'll be involved heavily in the action at some point.

 

[Boom]

It's a risk, but a limited one. If it weren't, she wouldn't be a highly skilled thief.

I don't think it is the right comparison for Batman. There are enough valid points to support fabric armor without bringing in an unrelated character. At first I presumed Catwoman was brought in to highlight a double standard -- a fair case. However it's starting to sound like people actually want an armored Catwoman. I would be vehemently opposed to that. And it has nothing to do with her sex.

Aw hell nah.

Because I, for one, and more than willing to suspend my disbelief for the sake of these characters looking their comic-book counterparts.

Believe me, if Nolan had decked Catwoman out in a costume akin to Batman's, I would be through the roof.

This discussion is purely in an attempt to point out a double standard. Going by Nolan's supposed "realism," and his reasoning for Batman looking the way it does, it makes very little sense to me that Catwoman can get away with an unarmored, skin-tight suit.

Yes, the risk is limited. But it's still there all the same. All it would take is one stray bullet to severely injure or kill her. Just one. I know Selina is a risk-taker, but she's not an idiot. While she wouldn't need to be as heavily-armored as Batman, you'd think she'd wear SOME form of protection against the occassional stray bullet or knife jab. Which she doesn't.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

We know she chased after three enemy Tumblers on the Batpod.

I think it's safe to say she'll be involved heavily in the action at some point.

Of course, but assuming from what has been reported to us, I think she'll spend most of the film as an independant woman, stripper and professional thief.

Anne did state something about her suit. Who knows what mysterious wonders it holds?

 

[KRIM]

This discussion is purely in an attempt to point out a double standard. Going by Nolan's supposed "realism," and his reasoning for Batman looking the way it does, it makes very little sense to me that Catwoman can get away with an unarmored, skin-tight suit.

Yes, the risk is limited. But it's still there all the same. All it would take is one stray bullet to severely injure or kill her. Just one. I know Selina is a risk-taker, but she's not an idiot. While she wouldn't need to be as heavily-armored as Batman, you'd think she'd wear SOME form of protection against the occassional stray bullet or knife jab. Which she doesn't.

That isn't enough? Catwoman's line of work has very limited risk of harm or fatality. A sharp contrast to Batman's, who conceivably could be killed on any day he goes out. World-class thieves exist and there are numerous accounts of their escapades. I'm not aware of any that have decided to deck themselves out in heavy gear. I can believe a long and successful career can be made for someone who has the talents to pull it off. The same cannot be said for someone of Bruce's nightly activities.

Just going off what we've seen in filming, obviously Nolan's Selina is going to be involved in far more than your run of the mill jewelry heists. However this is not the norm for Catwoman, so expectations will have to be adjusted accordingly. IF it is revealed that she's doing extreme activities that go well beyond thievery, in heels (!) no less, then the double standard issue is prevalent -- it will apply not only to Nolan, but the fans who are willing to give Catwoman an exception to the rules Batman has adhered to. Until then however, I don't think such an argument exists for the conventional interpretation of Catwoman, as it has existed thus far.

 

[Boom]

I think it's safe to assume we'll see her fighting in heels, based on the photographic evidence we have.

 

[KRIM]

Nolan has already two strikes under my count, so I'm certainly not giving him a pass.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

That isn't enough? Catwoman's line of work has very limited risk of harm or fatality. A sharp contrast to Batman's, who conceivably could be killed on any day he goes out. World-class thieves exist and there are numerous accounts of their escapades. I'm not aware of any that have decided to deck themselves out in heavy gear. I can believe a long and successful career can be made for someone who has the talents to pull it off. The same cannot be said for someone of Bruce's nightly activities.

Just going off what we've seen in filming, obviously Nolan's Selina is going to be involved in far more than your run of the mill jewelry heists. However this is not the norm for Catwoman, so expectations will have to be adjusted accordingly. IF it is revealed that she's doing extreme activities that go well beyond thievery, in heels (!) no less, then the double standard issue is prevalent -- it will apply not only to Nolan, but the fans who are willing to give Catwoman an exception to the rules Batman has adhered to. Until then however, I don't think such an argument exists for the conventional interpretation of Catwoman, as it has existed thus far.

This.

IF Catwoman is indeed getting involved in the hero business rather than stealing jewels for the majority for the film, then the double-standard is clear, and I'll be the first one to bring it up.

 

[Boom]

Nolan has already two strikes under my count, so I'm certainly not giving him a pass.

Batsuit and Bane?