The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread IX

[DoomsdayApex]

Fine, then substitute whatever it is you did accept. I'm certain at least one of the things I'm referring to applies to you.

*sighs*

Bullet-resistant material/elements is a department that is accomplished. It's not fictional or fantasy. Thus, it's an item that I hold in higher regard than any other. A mixture of Nomex, Kevlar and Graphite laced plates or survival suits/body armor (with lining) have been battle tested and approved, which is why I so highly value these suits. If they were to be manufactured today and put in the field tomorrow, they could stop a bullet or knife from causing life-threatening injuries.

You can't just tell me to accept the theory behind liquid or spider silk-based suits just because the microwave emitter made an appearance. Without enough substanial evidence, I can't make that leap.

 

[Boom]

I have not seen graphite plates deployed in combat .

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Not necessarily in plates (I meant it in regards to vests).

 

[KRIM]

*sighs*

Bullet-resistant material/elements is a department that is accomplished. It's not fictional or fantasy. Thus, it's an item that I hold in higher regard than any other. A mixture of Nomex, Kevlar and Graphite laced plates or survival suits/body armor (with lining) have been battle tested and approved, which is why I so highly value these suits. If they were to be manufactured today and put in the field tomorrow, they could stop a bullet or knife from causing life-threatening injuries.

You can't just tell me to accept the theory behind liquid or spider silk-based suits just because the microwave emitter made an appearance. Without enough substanial evidence, I can't make that leap.

How fortunate for you that I never told you to "just accept it". If that is all you gleamed from what I wrote, it is unfortunate I bothered entering this discussion.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

How fortunate for you that I never told you to "just accept it". If that is all you gleamed from what I wrote, it is unfortunate I bothered entering this discussion.

Oh lord. Stop with the drama, or stop responding.

 

[KRIM]

Stop being dim-witted.

I approached with a very reasonable counterpoint and questions looking to progress the discussion, and you've retorted to statements I've never made. There is no dramatization in what an utter waste of time it is for someone to blatantly ignore/misconstrue what another party is relaying to you.

Judging by how you've skirted the cape issue multiple times, I would gather you either have no further arguments or you're avoiding facings holes in your critiques of fabric armor.

 

[Boom]

Without enough substanial evidence, I can't make that leap.

Doomsday, this what I don't understand.

Why, though?

At the end of the day, this is a comic book franchise. You are going to get aspects that border on the absurd and unrealistic. That's part of their appeal. You see things that otherwise don't exist, or (in the case of liquid armor, spider silk, etc.) things that have the potential to exist somewhere down the road. That's why it's called science-fiction and fantasy. They tap into our imaginations, and excite us at the endless possibilities of the future.

Why can't you make a leap for something that would be found in a science-fiction film? Why can't you accept something that would be logically explained and demonstrated within the confines of the universe the movie is creating?

 

[the dmg]

*sighs*

Bullet-resistant material/elements is a department that is accomplished. It's not fictional or fantasy. Thus, it's an item that I hold in higher regard than any other. A mixture of Nomex, Kevlar and Graphite laced plates or survival suits/body armor (with lining) have been battle tested and approved, which is why I so highly value these suits. If they were to be manufactured today and put in the field tomorrow, they could stop a bullet or knife from causing life-threatening injuries.

It won't be as advanced as the Batsuit presented in BB at all.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm 'dim-witted' because I have an opinion on elements that have yet to approved for combat? Yes, that makes sense.

While my wording could have been chosen differently, I'm not the one being melodramatic. I never claimed you told ME to accept it. Grow up.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

It won't be as advanced as the Batsuit presented in BB at all.

Of course, I doubt a fully developed body suit with temperature regulators is currently in production.

The only function I care about is stopping a bullet or knife from causing enough damage.

 

[KRIM]

I'm 'dim-witted' because I have an opinion on elements that have yet to approved for combat? Yes, that makes sense.

Again with the mis-comprehension. You're dimwitted precisely because of that. I'm not talking to you in a complex manner. It's like you are purposefully skimming my posts and reading something entirely different.

If I were so dismissive of a differing opinion, I certainly wouldn't give you the time of day to proclaim as such. I tried to engage in a discussion, but I've only been met with regurgitated talking points that don't directly address anything.

While my wording could have been chosen differently, I'm not the one being melodramatic. I never claimed you told ME to accept it. Grow up.

You quoted my post, had no indications you were referring to anyone but me, and your precise words were "you can't tell me..."

Unless I'm missing a huge chunk of letters, that is precisely what you just said.

 

[the dmg]

Of course, I doubt a fully developed body suit with temperature regulators is currently in production.

The only function I care about is stopping a bullet or knife from causing enough damage.

It's a movie, though. The real life aspects applied to the suit are actually unrealistic to how the suit presents itself. His suit doesn't look like what's described by Fox in the slightest. I would not be able to believe that could stop a bullet or knife.

 

[Boom]

That is something that always bugged the hell out of me.

Kevlar looks nothing like the material used for the BB and TDK suits (I say "material," because in the context of the films, it's not rubber).

 

[the dmg]

That is something that always bugged the hell out of me.

Kevlar looks nothing like the material used for the BB and TDK suits (I say "material," because in the context of the films, it's not rubber).

If I'm expected to believe that rubber equates to the babble that Fox uses to describe the BB batsuit, then why can I and the GA accept that fabric can equate to some other form of scientific crap that Fox spews from his mouth.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Doomsday, this what I don't understand.

Why, though?

At the end of the day, this is a comic book franchise. You are going to get aspects that border on the absurd and unrealistic. That's part of their appeal. You see things that otherwise don't exist, or (in the case of liquid armor, spider silk, etc.) things that have the potential to exist somewhere down the road. That's why it's called science-fiction and fantasy. They tap into our imaginations, and excite us at the endless possibilities of the future.

Why can't you make a leap for something that would be found in a science-fiction film? Why can't you accept something that would be logically explained and demonstrated within the confines of the universe the movie is creating?

I can let the Tumbler, Bat-Pod, Batwing, Utility Belt, Grappling Gun, Memory Cloth and Sonar Vision exist without an angry rant because I know these items are purely fiction.

The suit (that Nolan introduced to us for this trilogy) is an exception because it's based on actual bullet-resistant vests, plates, etc in the real world. As a matter of fact, it's the only thing that I ask to be more than just believable (along with the fighting scenes). It sounds silly for a comic book adaptation, but I demand it for personal reasons when coming to Batman.

It's complex to explain. My cynical and perfectionist traits prevent me to believe in anything that has yet to be proven. While I love Nolan's Bat films, there's a part of me that rolls my eyes at some of the gadgets or tactics [when it comes to hand-to-hand combat]. I can't help it.

This doesn't mean I lack imagination, but when coming to the suit, I find myself at odds with experimental methods and elements. I want to suspend myself into these ideas, but I need to see it to believe it.

 

[Boom]

I guess I'll just hope that the next batsuit is fabric-based, and that it'll win you over .

 

[DoomsdayApex]

It's a movie, though. The real life aspects applied to the suit are actually unrealistic to how the suit presents itself. His suit doesn't look like what's described by Fox in the slightest. I would not be able to believe that could stop a bullet or knife.

Neither would I. How Fox described the suits is a bit "over-the-top". I wouldn't wear the suit and volunteer to stand completely still while somebody would aim their 9mm at me. No vest or armor has that capability (except maybe DragonSkin). I'm quite aware of that but the formula and properties are still there.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I guess I'll just hope that the next batsuit is fabric-based, and that it'll win you over .

That's reasonable. It'll be awhile before we get another Batman film, so it's possible. Here's to the next trilogy t:

 

[Boom]

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Whats the matta CIA got you pushing too many pencils?

 

[TheDarkKnight83]

I have a request, a year or two ago I was looking through one of these threads and someone posted a brilliant manip combining the Begins and TDK suit. They used the white background promo shots of the tdk suit mostly I believe. I'd really appreciate it if anyone knows what I'm talking about and happened to save them.

There's been a couple of different hybrids, here's the one's I've seen:

Spoiler

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[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

See now I like the look of those manips both more than the actual suit.

 

[TCCB]

cool manips, it's funny how the Bat-symbol on the BB suit is not the official Bat-symbol that they've been using for the Bat-a-rangs and the posters, TDK suit etc...

 

[craigdbfan]

The idea that Nolan is pretty much using is based off the liquid armor concept that is currently being implemented to clothed fibers to do the very thing Boom has been explaining. I really hope they go this route in fact for the next franchise.

It's definitely possible to describe this concept in the reinvented franchise based on the foundations Nolan is leaving it off. I think by moving away from the more rubber look from Begins (I still love the suit it's my favorite) to the TDK suit which resembles this "future" soldier, the TDK costume does have this liquid armor cloth in between the platings.

So it's not like Nolan is against it. He's actually the one that's come the closest in heading to the route where the suit can still be believably armor while looking more like an essentially armored cloth using the liquid armor tech.

I hope by the next one they just explain they have the capabilities to make the whole suit the in between cloth to be the main material for the whole suit. That way we'd see for the first time an almost fully faithful costume adaptation. It'll be great to see.

 

[regwec]

Bane is wearing a tactical vest!

Understandable, but Batman is a different take on a character who has taken extreme measures to fight crime in a proficient manner. The fact that he is a loner with a no-kill policy makes him a unique individual. He needs to depend on armor or exoskeleton-ish suits, gadgets, strategy and fighting prowless to take down an opponent or threat. He isn't a pirate or a CIA agent.

Different tactics lead to different approaches (which sometimes includes attire).

Alright, what about Catwoman, then?

Why isn't she wearing a heavy, segmented rubber wetsuit in this movie? She seems to manage to get away with something light and figure hugging. How come? Don't you think audiences will rebel when they see that she is not able to absorb 7.62mm rounds at fifteen feet?

You can argue that Catwoman has "different tactics", and I am sure you will, but she is about as analogous an example to Batman as you could possibly find. But Catwoman doesn't require the Michelin Man look. Hmmm.