The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread IX

[DoomsdayApex]

Batsuit and Bane?

I'm going with heels and HEELS.

 

[KRIM]

Batsuit and Bane?

Cowl-less and heels.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Cowl-less and heels.

Well I'm sure we can all accept that Batman can be done onscreen in spandex and overbriefs. No? Well, then I'll accept it.

 

[KRIM]

What possible relevance did that have to my post? Especially when I want neither spandex nor briefs on Batman?

 

[Secret Fawful]

What possible relevance did that have to my post? Especially when I want neither spandex nor briefs on Batman?

It's relevant to the topic in general. Catwoman isn't though. Oh, and I wouldn't read any comics or watch the animated series if I were you.

 

[KRIM]

Fantastic. Well this is clearly a boring exchange, so I will take the initiative to nip this in the bud.

 

[marty mcfly]

Nolan has already two strikes under my count, so I'm certainly not giving him a pass.

Really? One more strike and you won't see the film? Even if it does well at the box office, is critically acclaimed, has strong performances by the entire cast, and is a fitting end to a fantastic trilogy?

I (we) have no way of knowing if TDKR will be any of those ^ things, but even thought Batman's suit has puzzle pieces, and even though Catwoman doesn't have a cowl, I'm still open to the possibility that it will be a fantastic movie.

Some people, sheesh. Get over yourselves and give the movie a shot.

 

[Secret Fawful]

@KRIM: Well, you could have said how I'm comparing comics and cartoons to real life and you can't do that, but I would have just argued that Batman is a fantasy character anyway and that as a fantasy character who is portrayed at the best in all of his fields (ninja, detective, fighter, driver, pilot, technology, chemistry, stealth), he's not the sort of man who would be killable just because he's not decked in armor. But hey, you can call me worthless all you want. I'm just putting in my two cents, and I don't care either way.

 

[Boom]

Really? One more strike and you won't see the film? Even if it does well at the box office, is critically acclaimed, has strong performances by the entire cast, and is a fitting end to a fantastic trilogy?

I (we) have no way of knowing if TDKR will be any of those ^ things, but even thought Batman's suit has puzzle pieces, and even though Catwoman doesn't have a cowl, I'm still open to the possibility that it will be a fantastic movie.

Some people, sheesh. Get over yourselves and give the movie a shot.

And where exactly did he say he was operating under the "Three strikes and you're out" policy?

You're telling people to get over themselves, but in the same breath you're telling them what to do. Maybe you should try practicing what you preach, and let people do whatever the hell they want .

 

[Secret Fawful]

Nolan has already two strikes under my count, so I'm certainly not giving him a pass.

Here. Unless he's, unlikely, operating under the four million and three-fourths strikes and you're out policy. Mcfly's not wrong, and I took his statement to give the movie a shot as a suggestion. KRIM does need to get over himself.

 

[Boom]

You're right.

It's much easier to assume that KRIM is going to automatically hate the entire film just because he doesn't like three things (two of which being purely aesthetic choices).

 

[regwec]

Just a thought I wanted to offer for consideration: if the first ever Batman movie was in production now, I don't think there is much chance that a heavy rubber wetsuit design would be used as the hero's costume.

As more time passes, it just seems increasingly old fashioned and unconvincing. It seems complacent to be using 1980s technology today.

 

[Secret Fawful]

You're right.

It's much easier to assume that KRIM is going to automatically hate the entire film just because he doesn't like three things (two of which being purely aesthetic choices).

He's the one who said it. I'm not sure how you could interpret it any other way.

 

[Boom]

And I'm willing to bet that you're taking him far too literally.

It's an expression. He feels Nolan swung and missed on two aspects. I have seen nothing from KRIM to suggest that one more miss from Nolan will result in him hating the film. None.

Hell, I have five "strikes" against Nolan myself. Just because he's using baseball terminology doesn't automatically mean he's operating under baseball rules.

 

[KRIM]

Really? One more strike and you won't see the film? Even if it does well at the box office, is critically acclaimed, has strong performances by the entire cast, and is a fitting end to a fantastic trilogy?

I (we) have no way of knowing if TDKR will be any of those ^ things, but even thought Batman's suit has puzzle pieces, and even though Catwoman doesn't have a cowl, I'm still open to the possibility that it will be a fantastic movie.

Some people, sheesh. Get over yourselves and give the movie a shot.

Brilliant deduction. So instead of asking for clarification or context behind that sentence, you choose to extrapolate literally everything but the kitchen sink to form that poorly constructed representation of the typical comic book purist.

My two-strikes remark was in reference to Catwoman's appearance. Any more alterations I'm not in favor of, and I'd be fairly confident that I wouldn't be able to grow into liking that design. I say two strikes because there is still a chance Nolan could pull a fast one and nail her look. Solely her look. Not the film, not Anne's performance, not the character, not...anything but what I just said. But that wasn't for you. That was for the more sensible people that don't tend to jump at people's throats with little regard. I want people like you to continue not getting over yourselves, so it's that much easier for me to pinpoint those that aren't worth discussing with in the future. Do me that favor.

 

[Secret Fawful]

And I'm willing to bet that you're taking him far too literally.

Ah well, perhaps I am. I won't drag this out, as it has nothing to do with the Batsuit anyway.

 

[Secret Fawful]

But that wasn't for you. That was for the more sensible people that don't tend to jump at people's throats with little regard. I want people like you to continue not getting over yourselves, so it's that much easier for me to pinpoint those that aren't worth discussing with in the future. Do me that favor.

Thee's no such thing as people who aren't worth discussing with. While you're not getting over yourself, maybe you could take the time to check your attitude in at the door. Nobody'd jump down your throat then.

 

[KRIM]

Thee's no such thing as people who aren't worth discussing with. While you're not getting over yourself, maybe you could take the time to check your attitude in at the door. Nobody'd jump down your throat then.

What attitude? I was talking to Boom, who perfectly understood what I said. I was done with the conversation.

It was you and marty that decided to be slick and address my post without taking care to make sure you even read it right. I was thrown sarcasm and thinly-veiled insults, but I'm the one that needs to get over myself?

Bravo, good sir.

 

[Secret Fawful]

What attitude? I was talking to Boom, who perfectly understood what I said. I was done with the conversation.

It was you and marty that decided to be slick and address my post without taking care to make sure you even read it right. I was thrown sarcasm and thinly-veiled insults, but I'm the one that needs to get over myself?

Bravo, good sir.

I did take care to see if I read it right, by asking Boom if there was another way I could've read it. Because honestly, I could only see it the one way. I acknowledged I read it wrong. And yes, anyone who says someone isn't worth discussing with needs to get over themselves. Human beings aren't so simple and easy to dismiss.

 

[KRIM]

I did take care to see if I read it right, by asking Boom if there was another way I could've read it. Because honestly, I could only see it the one way. I acknowledged I read it wrong.

You could have skirted this entire issue by asking me in the first place. I'm very approachable and have no reason to get into conflict with anyone unless I am confronted. I have a feeling if Boom hadn't graciously came to my defense hrt, you wouldn't have bothered to ask. And that is a shame, because it leads to instances such as this which could have easily been avoided.

And yes, anyone who says someone isn't worth discussing with needs to get over themselves. Human beings aren't so simple and easy to dismiss.

I'm glad you have such absolute tolerance for every personality. I don't personally subscribe to such idealism. People that want to actively spew rants, unprovoked and under false pretenses, is reasonable grounds for me to ignore them. I assure you most people who have no interest in wasting their time with that, are the same way.

So good for you. In this regard, clearly you are the better being.

 

[Secret Fawful]

You could have skirted this entire issue by asking me in the first place. I'm very approachable and have no reason to get into conflict with anyone unless I am confronted. I have a feeling if Boom hadn't go graciously come in my defense hrt, you wouldn't have bothered. And that is a shame, because it leads to instances such as this which could have easily been avoided.


I'm glad you have such absolute tolerance for every personality. I don't personally subscribe to such idealism. People that want to actively spew rants, unprovoked and under false pretenses, is reasonable grounds for me to ignore them. I assure you most people who have no interest in wasting their time with that, are the same way.

So good for you. In this regard, clearly you are the better being.

I'm no better being. By my own ideals, I'm a terrible person. I just, in the words of Nicolas Angel, know right and I know wrong and have the good graces to know which is which. I know for every ******* there is a backstory to that person I can not possibly understand, and to dismiss someone on an internet forum over the slightest thing is just terrible. Maybe you guys have a history I don't understand. That's fine. But I hate to see people just get dismissed by others as worthless. And yes, I was ready to let it go. I'm really not angry, or trying to be a jerk. I just feel a certain way about things and had to share my two cents, and got caught up in this whole thing.

 

[KRIM]

I'm no better being. By my own ideals, I'm a terrible person. I just, in the words of Nicolas Angel, know right and I know wrong and have the good graces to know which is which. I know for every ******* there is a backstory to that person I can not possibly understand, and to dismiss someone on an internet forum over the slightest thing is just terrible. Maybe you guys have a history I don't understand. That's fine. But I hate to see people just get dismissed by others as worthless. And yes, I was ready to let it go. I'm really not angry, or trying to be a jerk. I just feel a certain way about things and had to share my two cents, and got caught up in this whole thing.

I have no history with him. All I know is he completely misinterpreted my words and then lambasted me for it. That's his issue, not mine. I simply have no interest in conversing with anyone that would be so careless when entering a discussion, and starts it off by throwing courtesy out the door. Needless to say, not my thing.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Oh well. I tried.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Just a thought I wanted to offer for consideration: if the first ever Batman movie was in production now, I don't think there is much chance that a heavy rubber wetsuit design would be used as the hero's costume.

As more time passes, it just seems increasingly old fashioned and unconvincing. It seems complacent to be using 1980s technology today.

You're absolutely correct, because this happened:

And yet fabric wouldn't be a step backwards in the minds of the general audience? Sure you could pull off the liquid or spider silk-based suit but it would still appear as fabric to the average movie go'er.

In their minds, the suits from Batman to Batman & Robin were really just rubber wetsuits until Nolan's Trilogy and Batsuit came along. Although Nolan's Batsuits are purely rubber contraptions, the audience doesn't view it that way. They believe these suits resemble armor.

 

[DaveMoral]

There's been a couple of different hybrids, here's the one's I've seen:

Spoiler

Spoiler

Those are so much better. Well, the torso anyway. And as far as the Bat-crest... I think it makes sense for it to be different than the shape of the Batarangs, or Bat-shuriken. The Bat-shuriken have a specific function, and their design seems ot suitable for that function. Aesthetically, the BB crest is far more suitable for its placement and function than the TDK crest... which is nearly useless.

All these manips need is to fix the legs on the suit and it would, frankly, be near perfect IMO. At least so far as the rubber suit thing goes.