The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VI

[Bathead]

I'm diggin Batmans look in those videos.

Agreed. IMO, that's how Batman should look, not like a bat-version of Iron Man.

 

[TheBatman072]

Why is Batman's cape stapled to that building like that?

I think Joker played a prank on him, and Batman can't get off the roof. So now he's stuck there in badass pose because he doesn't want to be embarrassed.

And Batman did look like that.

In both movies.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Why is Batman's cape stapled to that building like that?

I think Joker played a prank on him, and Batman can't get off the roof. So now he's stuck there in badass pose because he doesn't want to be embarrassed.

And Batman did look like that.

In both movies.

Agreed.

 

[BatBat]

Love it

In both movies.

Hate it

 

[badgrammar]

I want a battle damage dark knight suit. Fans and haters of the suit will love that!

 

[TDK010]

If it means the cowl needs replacing then I'm all for it

 

[Boom]

The TDK cape isn't in the same league as the BB one. Hell, it's not even in the same galaxy. The BB cape was cloak-like and actually billowed in the wind. The TDK cape just fell down the back and hung there like a wanker.

As future reference to filmmakers, the TDK cape is the prime example of what not to do in a Batman film.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Thats because the BB costume was the best!!!
I like the TDK one though...as busy as it is...its alright

 

[the dmg]

The TDK cape isn't in the same league as the BB one. Hell, it's not even in the same galaxy. The BB cape was cloak-like and actually billowed in the wind. The TDK cape just fell down the back and hung there like a wanker.

As future reference to filmmakers, the TDK cape is the prime example of what not to do in a Batman film.

They're cut from the same blanket. BB used way too many lengths, which was really annoying, while in TDK, only one length was used.

Batman was filmed differently in both films, so if the TDK batsuit was swapped with the BB batsuit, we would get that cloak-like cape that billows in the wind.

 

[BlueLantern]

Begins had a symbolic edge to it, which shows in the different poses you see Batman in.

The billowing train sequence, the top of the building looking down on Gotham, and even the narrows sequence.

With TDK for some reason that didn't happen. As much as I loved the film and it is one of my favourite films of all time, it's not as much of a Batman film as Begins.

To me its similar to the Killing Joke in as much as it's told as a Joker story with Batman in it, which is great, but hence the lack of Batsuit shots and things.

Be interesting to see what the suit's like in TDKR and how Bat-centric it is. I think it'll meld the two films' styles into one and give us more epic shots but a riveting story nonetheless.

 

[BatBat]

Begins had a symbolic edge to it, which shows in the different poses you see Batman in.

The billowing train sequence, the top of the building looking down on Gotham, and even the narrows sequence.

With TDK for some reason that didn't happen. As much as I loved the film and it is one of my favourite films of all time, it's not as much of a Batman film as Begins.

Agreed and that's why I didn't like TDK

To me its similar to the Killing Joke in as much as it's told as a Joker story with Batman in it, which is great, but hence the lack of Batsuit shots and things.

Be interesting to see what the suit's like in TDKR and how Bat-centric it is. I think it'll meld the two films' styles into one and give us more epic shots but a riveting story nonetheless.

Let's hope so. I'm hoping he looks more like Batman in this one than skinny robocop with bat ears

 

[EliteF50]

Anyone else love Bale's chin?

Also, DAT COLOR CORRECTION.

 

[Kaizer]

Saw this promo-image from Batman Live, seems like a different suit than the one they've shown before, can definately see some Arkham Asylum/City inspiration in there. Sorry if this has been posted before.

the other one, for referance:

 

[Mako]

Saw this promo-image from Batman Live, seems like a different suit than the one they've shown before, can definately see some Arkham Asylum/City inspiration in there. Sorry if this has been posted before.

the other one, for referance:

Yeah it's been posted and you can really tell that they really went for the AA design but I think the only thing they successfully recreated from the design was the shoulder proportions

 

[EliteF50]

It looks really cool, up until the legs. They look comical.

 

[BatBat]

Yeah the first symbol they used for Batman live was the first Keaton symbol.

 

[HolyPurpleSocks]

Those Batman Live suits make the Schumacher suits look masterful by comparison.

 

[EliteF50]

Well, you can't really compare. The budget is a huge factor. I think if Batman Live had a bigger budget, the suit would look great. I really like the BAA styled torso. The legs need work though.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Saw this promo-image from Batman Live, seems like a different suit than the one they've shown before, can definately see some Arkham Asylum/City inspiration in there. Sorry if this has been posted before.

the other one, for referance:

As much as I'd hate to say it, the older one looks better. This one has WAAAY too much padding/whatever the hell it is, it makes him look fat.

 

[BatBat]

still looks better than this

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Almost anything looks better than that but they're both bottom of the barrel

 

[Bathead]

Those Batman Live suits make the Schumacher suits look masterful by comparison.

Really, Those are horrible.

 

[D.P.]

*Throws up at the codpiece and leg "armor"*

 

[fire_rising]

Despite their inherent aesthetic flaws, the Schumacher suits were really terrible because they in no way represented the people that were wearing them. Batman's suit is supposed to be a second layer of skin, it's supposed to reveal the Bruce Wayne few people ever see.

His movies' suits didn't do that. They were flashy, but they didn't sell because Batman doesn't wear his suit to look cool (though that is a side effect when it is done right), he wears it to look menacing. Look at those suits again...who would be scared of that? If you want to design a suit for Batman, you need it to look like it creates another persona...basically, it needs to look like a creature.

Tim Burton's films had a decent bat suit, but, in my opinion, it lacks the shape of an other-worldy creature. It had that quality Halloween look to it: It looks kinda cool, it's a bit intimidating, but you couldn't imagine being taken seriously in it. The cowl, especially, was far too rectangular in its design.

Of all of the interpretations of Batman's suit, at least in film, I'd say that the Batman Begins suit is the best interpretation. No particular detail, no more than one or two colors. Just the cowl and the cape. Christian Bale said it best when he felt that, wearing the suit, he was a panther of sorts. A hunter. That is exactly what Batman's suit needs to feel like.

Nolan's design team doesn't get enough credit with the cowl. Unlike Burton's design, Nolan's cowl is subtle yet multi-faceted. You can see the pain and expression of Bruce Wayne manifest itself onto the brow, the eyes, and the nose. The ears aren't too big, but they are still prominent.

Another reason why the BB suit worked so well was the physique of Bale himself. The way his face is structured, the amount of effort he put into training and fitness, it all paid off when you saw him in the suit.

So what happened in The Dark Knight? Nolan's design team kept the cowl and cape, but they decided that Batman needed to be more flexible. Batman needed to turn his head. He needed to be faster. As far as the reasoning goes, I understand completely. What we constantly forget is that, when adapting a character to the screen, you need to do all you can to make him/her look convincing in the real world. Nolan's suits worked so well because they blended into the real world while, at the same time, existing just outside of reality.

It's not about looking cool, it's about being believable.

Then again, I found both the BB and TDK suits to still be very cool...I don't see why they are bashed on so much (especially TDK suit). One main reason why TDK suit probably didn't translate well to people is because we saw a lot of it in the light, and Batman's suit works the best in darkness. We also didn't get to see a lot of it...period.

If I was the head of the design team for TDKR, I'd say this: Design a suit with the theatricality of the BB design, and the practicality of TDK design.

...a nearly impossible task, it seems.

 

[BatBat]

Despite their inherent aesthetic flaws, the Schumacher suits were really terrible because they in no way represented the people that were wearing them. Batman's suit is supposed to be a second layer of skin, it's supposed to reveal the Bruce Wayne few people ever see.

His movies' suits didn't do that. They were flashy, but they didn't sell because Batman doesn't wear his suit to look cool (though that is a side effect when it is done right), he wears it to look menacing. Look at those suits again...who would be scared of that? If you want to design a suit for Batman, you need it to look like it creates another persona...basically, it needs to look like a creature.

Tim Burton's films had a decent bat suit, but, in my opinion, it lacks the shape of an other-worldy creature. It had that quality Halloween look to it: It looks kinda cool, it's a bit intimidating, but you couldn't imagine being taken seriously in it. The cowl, especially, was far too rectangular in its design.

Of all of the interpretations of Batman's suit, at least in film, I'd say that the Batman Begins suit is the best interpretation. No particular detail, no more than one or two colors. Just the cowl and the cape. Christian Bale said it best when he felt that, wearing the suit, he was a panther of sorts. A hunter. That is exactly what Batman's suit needs to feel like.

Nolan's design team doesn't get enough credit with the cowl. Unlike Burton's design, Nolan's cowl is subtle yet multi-faceted. You can see the pain and expression of Bruce Wayne manifest itself onto the brow, the eyes, and the nose. The ears aren't too big, but they are still prominent.

Another reason why the BB suit worked so well was the physique of Bale himself. The way his face is structured, the amount of effort he put into training and fitness, it all paid off when you saw him in the suit.

So what happened in The Dark Knight? Nolan's design team kept the cowl and cape, but they decided that Batman needed to be more flexible. Batman needed to turn his head. He needed to be faster. As far as the reasoning goes, I understand completely. What we constantly forget is that, when adapting a character to the screen, you need to do all you can to make him/her look convincing in the real world. Nolan's suits worked so well because they blended into the real world while, at the same time, existing just outside of reality.

It's not about looking cool, it's about being believable.

Then again, I found both the BB and TDK suits to still be very cool...I don't see why they are bashed on so much (especially TDK suit). One main reason why TDK suit probably didn't translate well to people is because we saw a lot of it in the light, and Batman's suit works the best in darkness. We also didn't get to see a lot of it...period.

If I was the head of the design team for TDKR, I'd say this: Design a suit with the theatricality of the BB design, and the practicality of TDK design.

...a nearly impossible task, it seems.

Agreed