The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VI

[Texas Zombie]

It was like a tom clancy batman!^

 

[TheBatman072]

Or it's the difference between Year One and the Long Halloween.

Batman wasn't much of a "creature" in Long Halloween, and nobody really referred to him as such.

 

[BatBat]

Or it's the difference between Year One and the Long Halloween.

Batman wasn't much of a "creature" in Long Halloween, and nobody really referred to him as such.

He still acted more creature like in The Long Halloween than he did in the dark Knight.

 

[TheBatman072]

He still acted more creature like in The Long Halloween than he did in the dark Knight.

Not really.

He was much more creature like in Year One than in Long Halloween. By like almost 100%

 

[CapedCrusader14]

The Long Halloween...I love that graphic novel. One of my favourites of all time.

His appearance in TLH was very 'creature-ish'. Pointy ears and a long flowing cape that surrounds him.

 

[TheBatman072]

The Long Halloween...I love that graphic novel. One of my favourites of all time.

His appearance in TLH was very 'creature-ish'. Pointy ears and a long flowing cape that surrounds him.

If that's all that makes him a creature than TDK Batman was just as a much a creature.

 

[BatBat]

Not really.

He was much more creature like in Year One than in Long Halloween. By like almost 100%

Did I say Year One? No. I said The Dark Knight. Please stop replying to my posts out of context? Thank you.

 

[TheBatman072]

Did I say Year One? No. I said The Dark Knight. Please stop replying to my posts out of context? Thank you.

And I'M saying that he acted just as "creature like" in Long Halloween as he did in TDK, which wasn't very creaturelike at all compared to Begins/Year One, and nobody bats an eyelash about it.

Try to keep up with the context of the conversation? Thank you.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

If that's all that makes him a creature than TDK Batman was just as a much a creature.

I didn't say he was a creature. I said he had some appearance traits that worked in the context of 'looking' like one. Not the way he acted.

It's been a while since I've read Year One (I plan on reading it soon again) so I'll have to see which one is more of a 'creature'.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I've also noticed that the criminals' reaction to him gradually shifts from fear to annoyance. In the Arkham basement the anxiety was thick enough to cut with a katana when they realized Batman was in there. They did not want to go up against him. TDK had the bad guys avoiding him in the beginning but as he proves himself to be more and more of a mere mortal, you see them being more defiant in his presence.

 

[TheBatman072]

And that happens in the comics too.

Because once he starts having little boy sidekicks and hanging with the Justice League, all bets are off. No creature status anymore.

But they're still afraid of him, because they know what he can do to them.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I just think there should be a way to keep it intact. Granted, the presence of Robin or Batgirl makes it impossible. But the whole point of the bat motif is to obscure the fact that this is essentially an ordinary man in a cape.

 

[TheBatman072]

I just think there should be a way to keep it intact. Granted, the presence of Robin or Batgirl makes it impossible. But the whole point of the bat motif is to obscure the fact that this is essentially an ordinary man in a cape.

Considering what he does and is capable of doing I'd hardly say he was ordinary. Especially to your average punk on the street.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I was quoting Ra's Al Ghul.

 

[D.P.]

Something I've noticed is that as the suit gets progressively further from the "creature of the night" aspect, so do the movies themselves. I'm watching "Begins" right now and in this movie, Batman maximizes his stealth abilities as well as the intimidation factor. He acted like a bat, hanging upside down, wrapping his cape around himself when he rested and taking enemies by surprise. He fought the way he felt a bat would fight, snatching thugs into the air. He subdued some in total silence. WHen he saved Rachel at the train station, the first thug was out for the count before she even realized Batman was there.In TDK he was a lot more visible and his attacks more direct. He would announce his presence before doing anything. He became more visible and the suit became less bat-like. The same thing happened last time. After the first installment, misdirection was abandoned in favor of confrontation.

Because by then, most of the criminal underworld had figured out he was a guy in a suit that could be shot, stabbed, etc.

The newness wore off. People were still scared of him, but not as a boogie-man type figure. More as an enforcer of the night who will break your arm if he catches you doing something you're not supposed to.

 

[JAK®]

Or it's the difference between Year One and the Long Halloween.

Batman wasn't much of a "creature" in Long Halloween, and nobody really referred to him as such.

If anything it's the opposite. In Year One Batman was drawn as a guy in a suit, and we saw him act like a guy in a suit, which was appropriate since he was just starting out.

In The Long Halloween, in large part due to Tim Sale's art, not only did Batman look inhuman, but he clung to the shadows and acted much more detached from reality.

 

[Godzilla2014]

So JAK®, earlier you specifically mentioned you wanted a comic-styled Batsuit to have trunks instead of eliminating them. Any particular reason, such as breaking up the gray, et cetera?

 

[JAK®]

So JAK, earlier you specifically mentioned you wanted a comic-styled Batsuit to have trunks instead of eliminating them. Any particular reason, such as breaking up the gray, et cetera?

Just my personal preference. The trunks aren't as essential to Batman as they are to Superman, but I would like to see them there.

 

[Doc Phosphorus]

The trunks are something that can't be mentally un-seen. My eye expects them to be there at this point. Without them, he looks naked.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Just my personal preference. The trunks aren't as essential to Batman as they are to Superman, but I would like to see them there.

Makes sense. I thought worked better on Dick Grayson's Batsuit personally, with his circus background, and the trunks can reflect that. For Bruce, I think he looks better without them. He's a much less ostentatious person than Dick, nor do I recall Bruce having ties to the circus, so they don't have this justification.

The trunks are something that can't be mentally un-seen. My eye expects them to be there at this point. Without them, he looks naked.

When I first saw the trunkless Batsuit as a kid, I thought that too, but I have since either changed my opinion as I matured and/or I just got used to them not being there, so I don't really expect them to be there anymore.

 

[JAK®]

Makes sense. I thought worked better on Dick Grayson's Batsuit personally, with his circus background, and the trunks can reflect that. For Bruce, I think he looks better without them. He's a much less ostentatious person than Dick, nor do I recall Bruce having ties to the circus, so they don't have this justification.

They could always be a grappling harness I suppose.

 

[Godzilla2014]

They could always be a grappling harness I suppose.

True. Though I don't understand why it wouldn't just be straps if it were.

 

[BatScot]

Because now the straps are integrated... and look a bit like trunks.

 

[CinematicESP]

I think it'd be cool if the bat symbol on the TDKR suit was really big and bold, even bigger than in Begins, across his entire chest. The symbol in TDK gets lost in the shuffle, reflecting how Batman sort of loses himself in that movie. This one can reflect that the fully fledged Batman is here to stay.

 

[Chris Wallace]

So you more or less want an Alex Ross bat symbol?