The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VI

[J. Senoah]

Like I said ... it is a mixture of practical and theatrical. The bat-part is theatrical. The suit itself is supposed to be bullet-proof (or at least resistant), etc. It has to reflect the technology integrated into the suit. An organic-looking suit wouldn't fit with the Nolan Universe. It has to look like something that would be manufactured ... not something that grew on him.

Why wouldn't an organic suit work in Nolan's movies when the Begins suit, something that isn't far off at all, did? Why does it have to look manufactured? Bruce customized the suit himself so it would look like a Bat. That's the whole freakin' point!

He wears a cape because he jumped off a building without the cape (while fleeing Gordon) and nearly killed himself (remember the base-jumping conversation in BB?). The cape has a practical explanation in the Nolan Universe. It may get in the way during fistfights ... but its helpful for jumping off buildings, and for theatrical purposes.

JB

What I'm saying is that your argument doesn't work. If an organic looking suit won't work, than a wearing a cape while fighting hand-to-hand wouldn't work. Hell, the Begins suit in gerenal wouldn't even be considered practical.

Again, let me ask you this, how does this bodysuit not work

when this suit does work?

They are more or less the same material.

 

[Mister Meddle]

How would you guys feel about something similar to Arkham City's Robin (Tim Drake) suit?

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/167637-robin-revealed-in-batman-arkham-city

At first it reminded me of this:

But after I looked at it a bit closer, I actually think the suit looks terrific. And it makes sense. I'd like to see something like this in live action.

 

[KneelBeforeZod]

Why wouldn't an organic suit work in Nolan's movies when the Begins suit, something that isn't far off at all, did? Why does it have to look manufactured? Bruce customized the suit himself so it would look like a Bat. That's the whole freakin' point!


What I'm saying is that your argument doesn't work. If an organic looking suit won't work, than a wearing a cape while fighting hand-to-hand wouldn't work.

Again, let me ask you this, how does this bodysuit not work

when this suit does work?

They are more or less the same material.

Been there, done that ...

Its so "organic" it has nipples.

It "doesn't work" because the Nolan Batsuit is intended as a combat suit, not an organic-looking suit ... it is a cross between a theatrical bat-look, and a practical suit for combat and base-jumping (still not sure how you missed that in the last post ... there is a practical explanation for the cape). It is, at base, a bullet-proof suit (or, in TDK, bullet proof plates over a chainmail-like suit).

Spawn didn't have to make his own suit, so "organic" works.

JB

 

[J. Senoah]

Been there, done that ...



It "doesn't work" because the Nolan Batsuit is intended as a combat suit, not an organic-looking suit ... it is a cross between a theatrical bat-look, and a practical suit for combat and base-jumping (still not sure how you missed that in the last post ... there is a practical explanation for the cape).

Spawn didn't have to make his own suit, so "organic" works.

JB

No, it doesn't work for you, and you can't come up with a valid argument.

And nice job posting an image of the B&R suit. I could just as easily post this to "strengthen" my argument:

You're looking at this in a very black or white type of way. Just because something looks organic doesn't mean it can't be "practical" for Nolan's movies. Especially when it uses the same material of the suits that have already been introduced in the universe. The Begins suit far off from the Spawn suit anyway. Add the Batman logo, give him the Batman cowl and cape, and we have something very similar to the Begins suit, but, in theory, it looks more intimidating and bat-like.

 

[KneelBeforeZod]

No, it doesn't work for you, and you can't come up with a valid argument.

And nice job posting an image of the B&R suit. I could just as easily post this to "strengthen" my argument:



You're looking at this in a very black or white type of way. Just because something looks organic doesn't mean it can't be "practical" for Nolan's movies. Especially when it uses the same material of the suits that have already been introduced in the universe. The Begins suit far off from the Spawn suit anyway. Add the Batman logo, give him the Batman cowl and cape, and we have something very similar to the Begins suit, but, in theory, it looks more intimidating and bat-like.

Yeah ... it doesn't work "for me" (I thought that was clear). Apparently it doesn't work for Chris Nolan either. Wouldn't fit with the Nolan-version of Batman -- it fit fine with the Schumaker version, though. Its supposed to look practical (with regard to practicality, looking practical is all that matters ... the suit isn't really bullet-proof. Its a movie.) So, it looks practical.

I've never heard the BB suit described as "organic". The Clooney version is closer to Spawn than the BB version.

JB

 

[J. Senoah]

Yeah ... it doesn't work "for me" (I thought that was clear). Apparently it doesn't work for Chris Nolan either. Wouldn't fit with the Nolan-version of Batman -- it fit fine with the Schumaker version, though. Its supposed to look practical (with regard to practicality, looking practical is all that matters ... the suit isn't really bullet-proof. Its a movie.) So, it looks practical.

I've never heard the BB suit described as "organic".

JB

You are completely ignoring the fact that they are the same materials, it's just a difference in design. Instead of the mold for the suit being more angular, it would be rounder. It doesn't make it looks any less practical.

I mean, seriously, how does this not make sense to you? What you are saying is that the Batsuit can't be stylized in Nolan's world; that is has to look like exactly like the material it is with little to no modifications. What you are saying is daft, and you clearly aren't using your brain.

I've never heard the BB suit described as "organic". The Clooney version is closer to Spawn than the BB version.

Nice edit.

I said the Begins suit is more organic than the Dark Knight. And also, stop trying to discredit me by bringing up Batman and Robin. Yes, those suits looks more human-like, but you act as if that's the only way to make an "organic" looking Batsuit. It clearly isn't because the most organic-looking Batsuit we've ever seen in the films is this demon suit from Begins:

^Not the most practical mask, and yes, I'm aware that this was only what Scarecrow saw after he was drugged up, but my point of showing this is that there are many ways to have a more organic suit.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Like I said ... it is a mixture of practical and theatrical. The bat-part is theatrical. The suit itself is supposed to be bullet-proof (or at least resistant), etc. It has to reflect the technology integrated into the suit. An organic-looking suit wouldn't fit with the Nolan Universe. It has to look like something that would be manufactured ... not something that grew on him.

He wears a cape because he jumped off a building without the cape (while fleeing Gordon) and nearly killed himself (remember the base-jumping conversation in BB?). The cape has a practical explanation in the Nolan Universe. It may get in the way during fistfights ... but its helpful for jumping off buildings, and for theatrical purposes.

JB

I agree.

I agree with Boom's sentiments. Without the trunks he looks like a naked grey man.

I think if they insist on removing them than make the entire costume black instead of grey. That'd be an interesting change for the comics.

Didn't they do that in the "Troika" storyline?

The main problems I have with this suit are the integral gloves and boots and the blades on the boots. They seem weird and pointless to me.

That's the main point, yes; the other part of it is the quantifiable property of fashion. Fashion is weird, and people wear some weird, unusual stuff; you can't always explain it objectively, just like art.

Alright.

How would you guys feel about something similar to Arkham City's Robin (Tim Drake) suit?

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/167637-robin-revealed-in-batman-arkham-city

I would like to see it in color first.

I'd prefer to stick to the classic scheme, which I think is more visually interesting, but yes, an all-black costume would be okay. Batman as he appeared in Morrison's JLA was more or less all black, and it worked (also, Howard Porter draws an amazing Batman).

Could you post a picture of either of those examples of an all black Batman, please?

The Arkham City design is a little too "street" for my tastes, but besides that I think they did a good job adapting the core design to a more mature, practical look. The bodysuit looks solid (though I miss the yellow notches on the chest), and the reinforced gloves and boots aren't bad. Even the shaved head is interesting (though not very "Robin").

I don't care so much for the short cape, though--and though I sort of like the idea of loose-fitting pants, here I think they contribute to the "street" vibe that I don't really like.

All things consider, though, I like it.

It's interesting to me, but I would like to see the costume colored before I make a complete opinion on it.

 

[Saint]

Alright.

Whoops; I meant to write "unquantifiable," as opposed "quantifiable."

Could you post a picture of either of those examples of an all black Batman, please?

It's just one example (Porter was the artist on Morrison's JLA--though ironically he didn't draw the panel I'm posting:

The only issue is that, as has always been the case when an all-black Batman has been attempted, the cape, cowl, gloves and boots were often drawn as blue--making the black bodysuit just seem like dark grey anyway.

 

[craigdbfan]

A way to fix that is maybe by using a very dark shade of grey for most of the costume and make the gauntlets, boots and cowl black with a yellow bat emblem minus the oval.

Not sure if that's ever been done before but it'd be interesting to see. Might sketch something up.

 

[Gotham Knight]

I'm liking Robin's design for Arkham City.

 

[Saint]

I'd rather have the current light-up oval than a yellow bat, but that has been done before. Once again from Morrison's JLA, this art is from an issue taking place in the future, where Darkseid has enslaved Earth (this time, art is by Porter).

Awesome story, too--Batman sticks it to Darkseid.

 

[RustyCage]

The new Robin's armor looks pretty nice. I like the style. Simple but durable looking. Classy.

That awful haircut is so distracting and disappointing, however.

 

[Saint]

Batman looks nice in the black batsuit but its bland compared to his classic one.

It is, but I think that can be mitigated with some additional detailing. It you look at the Porter art, Batman has some subtle seamwork on his shoulders and gloves that give things a little more texture and depth, and make up for the fact that everything is black.

With a cool looking belt, some texture and detailing on the gloves and things like that, and I think an all-black costume could work almost as well as the classic--especially with the glowing oval on there (or even better, change the oval to a circle, like the batsignal).

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I dig Robins haircut it's changing it up for the first time in ages. It's quite a departure from the messy spikey look of the recent days and far far off from the old slick puffy look.

Now the suit on the other hand looks a little too baggy to me.

 

[Lencho01]

At first it reminded me of this:

But after I looked at it a bit closer, I actually think the suit looks terrific. And it makes sense. I'd like to see something like this in live action.

If it weren't for his short hair, I don't think anyone would think of that suit.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Whoops; I meant to write "unquantifiable," as opposed "quantifiable."


It's just one example (Porter was the artist on Morrison's JLA--though ironically he didn't draw the panel I'm posting:

The only issue is that, as has always been the case when an all-black Batman has been attempted, the cape, cowl, gloves and boots were often drawn as blue--making the black bodysuit just seem like dark grey anyway.

I like the all-black look, as it allows the Batsuit's bodysuit portion to blend into the cape.

I'd rather have the current light-up oval than a yellow bat, but that has been done before. Once again from Morrison's JLA, this art is from an issue taking place in the future, where Darkseid has enslaved Earth (this time, art is by Porter).

Awesome story, too--Batman sticks it to Darkseid.

Ah, the Bat-Shoulder-Spikes-Of-Doom!
I have to say that I really don't care for the light-up oval (I would have preferred that Bruce Wayne kept the Bat symbol sans oval, perhaps with Dick Grayson using the oval), but I agree. A yellow bat just looks weird, because I have never seen a yellow bat.

Batman looks nice in the black batsuit but its bland compared to his classic one. At least when he's drawn on a piece of paper. Personally i'd rather they just darkened the shade of grey a little. That will make him more acceptable to the general audience who cant quite stomach the idea of a black and light grey batman with trunks on the outside.

Btw in that last panel Batman reminds me of Dark Claw. Anyone remember that Batman - Wolverine amalgam? God i used to love him as a kid. I really had no taste back then.

I liked when they just got rid of the trunks. Just use a dark gray with black, and the oval-less symbol, and maybe brown/gray/black utility belt, and I think you would get an awesome Batsuit.

And yes, it does remind me of Dark Claw.

He looks really weird to me. Why cross Batman with Wolverine? Wouldn't Daredevil or Moon Knight be a better choices for amalgamating with Batman?

 

[craigdbfan]

I like the Porter one with all black and the yellow bat emblem. It's something thats rarely seen and I think looks pretty darn good. With more detailing and maybe making the actual suit a very dark grey so the black stands out more for his cowl, gauntlets, and boots would look marvelous.

To be honest I prefer the modern classic that Spellbinder quoted (I believe its Jim Lee's) and the one Saint posted of Porter's JLA far more than that new suit and the one from Batman Inc.

Just never liked the protruding light up oval and the grey naked batman jumpsuit and like the new suit even less with the nonsensical white Tron lights all over it.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I guess they wanted a more interesting combination. Besides, Batman is DC's wolverine. He's everywhere!

True.

 

[Saint]

because I have never seen a yellow bat.

You'd be surprised, actually; there's a variety bat called the flying fox, named as such first for it's size, and second for it's orange/yellow fur.

 

[Saint]

I dont know, i find the following more pleasing to the eye.

Nothing quite tops the classic, I agree.

 

[KRIM]

You'd be surprised, actually; there's a variety bat called the flying fox, named as such first for it's size, and second for it's orange/yellow fur.

They're the largest type of bat, I believe. Incredible creatures to watch, but utterly pathetic once you see how useless they are if managed to be on flat ground.

There isn't a greater disparity between badassery and display of helplessness in a single moment.

 

[TheBatman072]

I really dislike the all black batsuit in the comics. Just...ugh.

 

[Brother Jack]

How would you guys feel about something similar to Arkham City's Robin (Tim Drake) suit?

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/167637-robin-revealed-in-batman-arkham-city

Spoiler

That's a good suit, but I need to see the color scheme, that could make it or break it. Not digging the shaved head, though.

 

[Lone]

He truly looks like a creature of the night in that picture.

If I was wandering through a dark alleyway and saw that all of the sudden, I'd probably s**t my pants.

I'd taze it in the face.

 

[RustyCage]

No, it doesn't work for you, and you can't come up with a valid argument.

And nice job posting an image of the B&R suit. I could just as easily post this to "strengthen" my argument:

The difference being that the picture he posted actually looks like the suit it was being compared to.

If it makes you feel better, the Burton 89 suit was similar.