The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VI

[TheBatman072]

Batman has admitted that The Penguin is smarter than him:

I don't trust any comic that let's Robin's hair look like THAT.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Uh...what?

I said there are way more than 3. Meaning...MORE than 3.

I'm gonna have to ask again. I said the three smartest people were: Holt, Luthor, Babs. The. You said there were more than three.


How can there be more than three "three smartest people in the world"?

 

[B.A. Baracus]

I like this argument, this is a good argument.

 

[TheBatman072]

I'm gonna have to ask again. I said the three smartest people were: Holt, Luthor, Babs. The. You said there were more than three.


How can there be more than three "three smartest people in the world"?

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English isn't your first language is it.

How can there be more than 3 smartest people in the world?

By there being 4, 5, 6, and on.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Well here's a cross-section of the suit displaying the armour underneath;

That's the nomex survival suit from BB. The armour in this concept also gives the muscular appearance in the manip, the fabric acting as a tight 'skin' which also has it's own protective qualities (fire resistant, waterproof and somewhat bulletproof like kevlar).

Obviously the actor would not actually be wearing armour underneath the suit while filming, but other scenes will show that it is the case in the context of the film.

Thank you! It looks great.

But his skills would be the equivalent of a circus strongman, wouldn't they? While his intelligence is his strongest point when compared to actual superbeings, his actual strength and acrobatic skills would not be unsuitable for the job of a strongman.

True. In light of what I said earlier, I am in favor of Dick Grayson as Batman wearing trunks, but for some reason, the circus comparison doesn't really fit Bruce Wayne to me. He's not a very ostentatious guy like Dick is, and I think of him as far more pragmatic about things. Dick is much more of a showman than Bruce is, one of the best ways to show their differences, in my opinion.

Perhaps I'm remembering wrong, but aren't the three smartest people in the DCU:

Mr. Terrific (as stated in Infinite Crisis)

Lex Luthor

Oracle

Batman is smarter than Lex Luthor and Oracle.

There are WAY more than 3.

Batman is obviously one of them. Others being Deathstroke, T. O. Morrow, etc.

Agreed.

Batman has admitted that The Penguin is smarter than him:

I personally think of Batman as being the smartest man (or at least non-metahuman) in the DCU. Smarter than Lex Luthor, and mostly anyone else in the DCU.

 

[DaveMoral]

Batman has admitted that The Penguin is smarter than him:

Who did this art? It looks like they were imitating Aparo, and I never felt like Aparo ever got Tim Drake right. Ever.

Breyfogle did him right, and introduced him in that suit for that matter. And Graham Nolan always hit it out of the park. For whatever reason, Aparo was just never really up to the task and could not meet the bar those guys set.

 

[TheZink]

Mr Terrific says he is the 3rd smartest human.

So who is number 1 and number 2?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

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English isn't your first language is it.

How can there be more than 3 smartest people in the world?

By there being 4, 5, 6, and on.

Well then your initial response has no bearing on what I said and makes no sense.

 

[TheBatman072]

Well then your initial response has no bearing on what I said and makes no sense.

Oh my god.

These posts actually make me question my grip on reality.

I'm gonna go cut my face, put on make up and kill some people JUST so things will start making sense again.

 

[regwec]

Luthor is always near the top. I suppose Dr Morrow must be, too, and probably the Calculator. How about Rip Hunter?

Slade Wilson is an interesting point. As a methahuman, he is able to use a greater proportion of the processing power of his brain than most humans. In theory, that should make him the smartest of all. But the application of this talent generally seems to be battlefield tactics and quick thinking in combat. He isn't about to invent an army of invisible nano bots that infiltrate the inner ears of the JLA and take over their brains.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Mr Terrific says he is the 3rd smartest human.

So who is number 1 and number 2?

Luthor and Oracle. Oracle's mind and memory work's similar to Holt's in that she only needs to see things once and she remembers it. Luthor as he is the most brilliant inventor on the planet, and was stated so as before, though, that could be inflated ego.

I'd say Bruce is probably 5 or 6.

 

[JAK®]

Solomon Grundy is the smartest.

 

[Saint]

Not counting individuals with metahuman intelligence (like Superman), I've always assumed that when DC calls Holt "The third smartest man in the world," the other two are Luthor and Batman.

However, the reason they say things like that without specifying is so there's no absolute answer; it's meant to be open to interpretation.

Superman, as the result of his Kryptonian physiology, basically has a super-brain that makes him potentially smarter than any of them, though he's not often written that way in modern continuity. Additionally, whether Superman has the understanding, imagination, and creativity to employ his super-calculator of a brain is another matter. He certainly had those traits in All-Star, where he was undoubtedly the smartest man alive.

That panel above where Batman says the Penguin is smarter than he is, though, is absurd.

 

[Saint]

Luthor and Oracle. Oracle's mind and memory work's similar to Holt's in that she only needs to see things once and she remembers it.

Oracle has an eidetic memory (otherwise known as a photographic memory), and that doesn't automatically make someone intelligent; intelligence is more than sheer recall.

Not to say she isn't one of the smarter people in the DCU, though I would argue she's not as smart as Batman.

 

[Saint]

Luthor is always near the top. I suppose Dr Morrow must be, too, and probably the Calculator. How about Rip Hunter?

Slade Wilson is an interesting point. As a methahuman, he is able to use a greater proportion of the processing power of his brain than most humans. In theory, that should make him the smartest of all. But the application of this talent generally seems to be battlefield tactics and quick thinking in combat. He isn't about to invent an army of invisible nano bots that infiltrate the inner ears of the JLA and take over their brains.

Yeah--Slade, much like Superman, has a physiological advantage that basically would make him a super-calculator. He doesn't necessarily possess the understanding the utilize that, and I would argue he certainly doesn't have the education--though both of these can be rectified with effort.

I think the real question is whether Batman or Luthor is the smarter man. The obvious answer is Luthor, who certainly applies his intelligence in a more obvious way--but I question whether Batman would not be as effective if he applied himself.

What I mean is, Luthor can build brainwashing nanomachines, as you say, and Batman probably can't--but, unlike Luthor, Batman is a jack of all trades and has to spread himself thin to be an expert in all the areas he covers. If that wasn't the case, and Batman applied himself to science and science only, would he be able to do the things Luthor can?

I lean towards "Yes," but I could never say for sure.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Luthor is always near the top. I suppose Dr Morrow must be, too, and probably the Calculator. How about Rip Hunter?

Slade Wilson is an interesting point. As a methahuman, he is able to use a greater proportion of the processing power of his brain than most humans. In theory, that should make him the smartest of all. But the application of this talent generally seems to be battlefield tactics and quick thinking in combat. He isn't about to invent an army of invisible nano bots that infiltrate the inner ears of the JLA and take over their brains.

I thought that Bruce Wayne was smarter than Lex Luthor?

Luthor and Oracle. Oracle's mind and memory work's similar to Holt's in that she only needs to see things once and she remembers it. Luthor as he is the most brilliant inventor on the planet, and was stated so as before, though, that could be inflated ego.

I'd say Bruce is probably 5 or 6.

I think Bruce is smarter than either Lex or Barbara. According to the character file in Batman: Arkham Asylum, Batman has photographic memory as well.

Not counting individuals with metahuman intelligence (like Superman), I've always assumed that when DC calls Holt "The third smartest man in the world," the other two are Luthor and Batman.

However, the reason they say things like that without specifying is so there's no absolute answer; it's meant to be open to interpretation.

Superman, as the result of his Kryptonian physiology, basically has a super-brain that makes him potentially smarter than any of them, though he's not often written that way in modern continuity. Additionally, whether Superman has the understanding, imagination, and creativity to employ his super-calculator of a brain is another matter. He certainly had those traits in All-Star, where he was undoubtedly the smartest man alive.

That panel above where Batman says the Penguin is smarter than he is, though, is absurd.

Agreed. Though I prefer Superman to not have superhuman intellect, as it kind of makes Batman seem a bit less relevant in the Justice League, since he is the smart guy.

 

[Saint]

Agreed. Though I prefer Superman to not have superhuman intellect, as it kind of makes Batman seem a bit less relevant in the Justice League, since he is the smart guy.

I think it's fine for Superman to retain his super intelligence, because he doesn't have a tactical or investigative mind--for solving mysteries, for strategy, and the other areas that Batman specializes in, Batman remains the better choice.

If you need someone to build a miracle machine, on the other hand, or read and understand someone's genetic code on sight, well, you should probably talk to Superman.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Batman has admitted that The Penguin is smarter than him:

Damnit Alfred, what are you putting in Batman's coffee!?!?

t:

 

[ThePhantasm]

Well here's a cross-section of the suit displaying the armour underneath;

I think this suit looks really classy. Cool stuff.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I think it's fine for Superman to retain his super intelligence, because he doesn't have a tactical or investigative mind--for solving mysteries, for strategy, and the other areas that Batman specializes in, Batman remains the better choice.

If you need someone to build a miracle machine, on the other hand, or read and understand someone's genetic code on sight, well, you should probably talk to Superman.

I always thought of Batman as the smarter of the two. Making Superman have a superhuman intellect makes him too powerful in my opinion. Plus, he really doesn't need it.

Damnit Alfred, what are you putting in Batman's coffee!?!?

t:

My thoughts exactly.

I think this suit looks really classy. Cool stuff.

Agreed.

 

[KRIM]

I always thought of Batman as the smarter of the two. Making Superman have a superhuman intellect makes him too powerful in my opinion. Plus, he really doesn't need it.

A better way of interpreting it is Supes functions as Mycroft, to Bruce's Sherlock.

 

[Godzilla2014]

A better way of interpreting it is Supes functions as Mycroft, to Bruce's Sherlock.

I don't understand the analogy.

 

[TheBatman072]

I don't understand the analogy.

Mycroft is Holmes' brother.

 

[KRIM]

I don't understand the analogy.

Mycroft, Sherlock's brother, is of superior intellect and deductive prowess. However his lack of ambition and ability to apply his natural talents makes him an inferior detective.

In other words Supes has the capability of being far smarter than Bruce, but because his priorities are more inclined towards activities that don't exert as much mental function, he has little use of it. Bruce on the other hand relies on his brain. It permeates his entire life. Coupled with his unmatched dedication to perfection, he would be considered the superior in that field.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Mycroft, Sherlock's brother, is of superior intellect and deductive prowess. However his lack of ambition and ability to apply his natural talents makes him an inferior detective.

In other words Supes has the capability of being far smarter than Bruce, but because his priorities are more inclined towards activities that don't exert as much mental function, he has little use of it. Bruce on the other hand relies on his brain. It permeates his entire life. Coupled with his unmatched dedication to perfection, he would be considered the superior in that field.

Ok. That makes sense. I still prefer him to not be as smart as Batman. I think that intellect should be the one advantage that Batman has over him.