The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VIII

[Boom]

As I've said before, Nolan's "realism" is simply taking the fantastic elements of the Batman mythos, and translating them with a "real world" sensbility.

For the billionth time, these films are not, nor can they be, realistic.

 

[Gianakin_]

As I've said before, Nolan's "realism" is simply taking the fantastic elements of the Batman mythos, and translating them with a "real world" sensbility.

For the billionth time, these films aren't, nor can they be, realistic.

Shame that they have to be explained every damn time because some people can't read between the lines. No wonder Nolan's dialogue is expositional.

 

[BatBat]

Then by all accounts this is Batman

 

[Gianakin_]

Then by all accounts this is Batman

If you showed it to someone, he or she would tell you it's SOME VERSION of Batman, yes. Doesn't mean it's good.

 

[StarLord]

There is no point in this discussion. You're taking things too far.

 

[Boom]

Then by all accounts this is Batman

If the helmet was actually shaped to look like the classic Batman cowl (Guess what? The TDK cowl is), then yes - it looks like a Batman you'd expect to see in an Elseworlds story.

 

[DaveMoral]

If the helmet was actually shaped to look like the classic Batman cowl (Guess what? The TDK cowl is), then yes - it looks like a Batman you'd expect to see in an Elseworlds story.

I'm pretty sure there has been an Elseworlds or time travel tale where Batman looked almost exactly like thatm traditional knight helm and all.

 

[ThePhantasm]

As I've said before, Nolan's "realism" is simply taking the fantastic elements of the Batman mythos, and translating them with a "real world" sensbility.

For the billionth time, these films are not, nor can they be, realistic.

I agree. Nolan wants it to be easy to suspend one's disbelief. He brought the same "realism" principles to Inception. The point isn't to make it identical with reality, it is to make the world plausible. Its a realism-aesthetic, as opposed to Burtons Gothic-aesthetic or Schumacher's over-the-top aesthetic.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I agree. Nolan wants it to be easy to suspend one's disbelief. He brought the same "realism" principles to Inception. The point isn't to make it identical with reality, it is to make the world plausible. Its a realism-aesthetic, as opposed to Burtons Gothic-aesthetic or Schumacher's over-the-top aesthetic.

Exactly. It's a heightened reality, where the comic book characters like Batman, Joker, Two Face, et cetera exist in a world like the one we know. It works by preventing the audience from feeling isolated from the action, like an outsider looking in on the events on screen, such as what happens with either Burton or Schumacher's Batman films. It's a question of the familiar vs the strange.

 

[Solidus]

Well in terms of the tech he uses its plausible and already existing tech. Most of these things he uses do exist or soon will in the next decade or so. That is what gives part of the grounded feeling. The tech he uses is not fantastical it is based on real science, some of it has just not been completed or may not be fore years to come.

All films create a heighten reality, some do more then others. But ya these films are not documentaries by any means. They take plausible or near plausible elements and combine them in a real feeling world.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Well in terms of the tech he uses its plausible and already existing tech. Most of these things he uses do exist or soon will in the next decade or so. That is what gives part of the grounded feeling. The tech he uses is not fantastical it is based on real science, some of it has just not been completed or may not be fore years to come.

All films create a heighten reality, some do more then others. But ya these films are not documentaries by any means. They take plausible or near plausible elements and combine them in a real feeling world.

Agreed.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Agreed.



Personally, this is a case where intimidation overrides camouflage a bit. Batman is supposed to invoke images of Dracula, and have you ever seen Dracula colored blue? Furthermore, black is a more intimidating color than blue.

 

[Majik1387]

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

From his wounds. Realistically, he should've died from infections and stuff.

Actually he should have died from his head being burned down to the skull.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I guess you have me there. My point still stands: Batman looks better in black than blue.

 

[BatBat]

" Finger and Kane conceptualized Batman as having a black cape and cowl and grey suit, but conventions in coloring called for black to be highlighted with blue.[118] This coloring has been claimed by Larry Ford, in Place, Power, Situation, and Spectacle: A Geography of Film, to be a reversion of conventional color-coding symbolism, which sees "bad guys" wearing dark colors"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman

 

[Godzilla2014]

" Finger and Kane conceptualized Batman as having a black cape and cowl and grey suit, but conventions in coloring called for black to be highlighted with blue.[118] This coloring has been claimed by Larry Ford, in Place, Power, Situation, and Spectacle: A Geography of Film, to be a reversion of conventional color-coding symbolism, which sees "bad guys" wearing dark colors"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman

Exactly!

 

[BatBat]

Actually he should have died from his head being burned down to the skull.

People have been known to survive worse for longer than a few days.

 

[Godzilla2014]

People have been known to survive worse for longer than a few days.

Really? I didn't know that.

 

[Boom]

I'm going to need an example.

Because I have a hard time believing that an average man suffering from Dent's degree of injuries would not die shortly thereafter from shock, pain, or infection.

 

[BatBat]

I'm going to need an example.

Because I have a hard time believing that an average man suffering from Dent's degree of injuries would not die shortly thereafter from shock, pain, or infection.

http://books.google.com/books?id=iqDClsii1h0C&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=man+survives+severe+burns&source=bl&ots=hDeBLRECPg&sig=s63JVehukqcAd6BN-dFKQWLi2bY&hl=en&ei=zc9GToOoLdKbtwfI1NnsBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&v
Look up and read about Pastor Dave Roever. He's got scars from where a phosphorus grenade blew up in his hand only inches from his right ear. Much more traumatic than what Dent went through.

 

[Spicy]

Then by all accounts this is Batman

http://www.amazon.com/Legends-of-Batman-SilverKnight/dp/B000COVXL4/ref=sr_1_5?s=toys-and-games&ie=UTF8&qid=1313263965&sr=1-5

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

http://books.google.com/books?id=iqDClsii1h0C&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=man+survives+severe+burns&source=bl&ots=hDeBLRECPg&sig=s63JVehukqcAd6BN-dFKQWLi2bY&hl=en&ei=zc9GToOoLdKbtwfI1NnsBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&v
Look up and read about Pastor Dave Roever. He's got scars from where a phosphorus grenade blew up in his hand only inches from his right ear. Much more traumatic than what Dent went through.

He was also in hospital for 14 months. And I can guarantee he would have been in a quarantine area. Dent had no surgery, no protection from infection, and the fire on his skull was put out by a man punching him in the face with Kevlar knuckles and and he scraped his hand along his face when ripping the bandages off, had the fire not killed him, his own punishment would've killed him.

Also, not to try and diminish what happened to Roever, but Willie Pete burn immensely quickly whereas the amount of time needed to have burned Dent like that would have been much longer and there would have been a much great chance of him going into shock. But Roever also claimed he was awake. In any case Roever is the exception, not the rule.

 

[Boom]

He was also in hospital for 14 months. And I can guarantee he would have been in a quarantine area. Dent had no surgery, no protection from infection, and the fire on his skull was put out by a man punching him in the face with Kevlar knuckles and and he scraped his hand along his face when ripping the bandages off, had the fire not killed him, his own punishment would've killed him.

And Dent wasn't on pain killers, whereas Roever probably had them shooting out his ears.

Oh, and the bolded made me .

 

[Infinity9999x]

And past the point of Dent surviving, he was able to move his eye with the muscles needed to were completely burned away, and still able to burn his jaw when the muscles required were mostly completely burned away, and the few remaining were far too damaged to have been of any use.