The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VIII

[regwec]

Dent wouldn't have survived all of his facial and lingual arteries being burnt out anyway, and his "bad" eye would just be a blistered mass like an over-fried egg, which would have soon turned rank and turned his optic nerve septic before it infected his brain.

But even if his burns were superficial, he would have to be popping the antibiotics in order to stave of infection in the healing tissue.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Dent wouldn't have survived all of his facial and lingual arteries being burnt out anyway, and his "bad" eye would just be a blistered mass like an over-fried egg, which would have soon turned rank and turned his optic nerve septic before it infected his brain.

But even if his burns were superficial, he would have to be popping the antibiotics in order to stave of infection in the healing tissue.

Yep. And as I said before, what was left of his eye wouldn't have been able to move, since the orbital muscles were literally gone. And his jaw would have been pretty much useless. There's no way he would have been able to move it with the amount of damage done.

 

[regwec]

His voice didn't even change at all.

 

[Boom]

See, there isn't a shred of realism regarding Two-Face. However, it is faithful to the comic books, and it ****ing rules .

 

[Infinity9999x]

His voice didn't even change at all.

Yeah. If you want a more realistic look at that kind of damage (and acid damage no less) look at the Swedish Vampire Film "Let the Right One In." There's a character that self inflicts extreme facial damage to himself with acid, and he's not even able to talk because of the damage to his facial muscles.

Realistically Dent would have been dead. Pushing it a bit, he shouldn't have been able to talk at all.

That's why I get a bit annoyed at "TEH NOLANZ SUPER REALISTICNESS!" Two-Face is a perfect example of his grounded fantastical elements.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I guess the whole "burnt" face is meant to be an illusion for the audience that it is plausible in the "grounded reality" of the film.

 

[Boom]

Yeah. If you want a more realistic look at that kind of damage (and acid damage no less) look at the Swedish Vampire Film "Let the Right One In." There's a character that self inflicts extreme facial damage to himself with acid, and he's not even able to talk because of the damage to his facial muscles.

It's funny you mention that film, because I actually think something like that would have made a great Two-Face. But it probably would have pushed the film into an R rating.

 

[StarLord]

I don't think he even showed any signs of pain.

 

[regwec]

That, and the curious fact that the super-gross-red-skull-zombie-face is less disturbing to most minds than a recognisable human face which is plausibly ruined and disfigured.

 

[Infinity9999x]

It's funny you mention that film, because I actually think something like that would have made a great Two-Face. But it probably would have pushed the film into an R rating.

Yeah, that was pretty intense. And I'd like Two-Face to be able to talk as wellt: But aside from that, it was a good look. Very creepy.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I don't think he even showed any signs of pain.

Except for when he initially caught fire

Harvey: RAAAAAAAAR!

 

[StarLord]

Except for when he initially caught fire

Harvey: RAAAAAAAAR!

Yeah well except that part!

 

[Boom]

Yeah, that was pretty intense. And I'd like Two-Face to be able to talk as wellt: But aside from that, it was a good look. Very creepy.

It was also very tragic, despite the nature of the character. Poor guy didn't even look human.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Yeah well except that part!

Even then, they half muted the audio

 

[dario2739]

Back on the subject of the Batsuit, I actually preferred TDK suit over begins, and it got rid of my one annoyance with all other movie Batsuits... he could turn his head!!!
Anyway that said, there is one problem I have with both BB and TDK suits, and that's the cape! Now, I remember reading before BB that Nolan had realise the cape was an important part of the Batman 'look', and indeed when in glide mode, he looks amazing. My problem however is in moments where he is stood still or motionless. For me, when stood still, Batman's cape should hang over the front of his shoulders, as it did in Burton's Batman, and the animated series. I have mocked-up a version of the suit, colour tweaked and changed the 'hang' of the cape to illustrate what I mean...

 

[Travesty]

I seriously had no idea tat turning a head would mean so much to people. And also, what scene did Batman turn his head in TDK?

 

[Boom]

It really is quite sad when Batman being able to turn his head is a cause for celebration.

 

[dario2739]

I seriously had no idea tat turning a head would mean so much to people. And also, what scene did Batman turn his head in TDK?

Well, when fighting multiple attackers as Batman would have to do, turning your head to see what was coming at you is a pretty basic need.
Watching the Tim Burton Batman film the other night it really struck me how rigid Batman always seemed.

 

[Travesty]

Well, when fighting multiple attackers as Batman would have to do, turning your head to see what was coming at you is a pretty basic need.

Well, it's a good thing these are movies.

But seriously, what scene in the movie showed Batman turning his head? I can't think of one. Almost all of the suits, they were able to look up and down, and I understand they couldn't properly turn their head, but at the same time, I can't remember where it was so monumental in TDK.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Back on the subject of the Batsuit, I actually preferred TDK suit over begins, and it got rid of my one annoyance with all other movie Batsuits... he could turn his head!!!
Anyway that said, there is one problem I have with both BB and TDK suits, and that's the cape! Now, I remember reading before BB that Nolan had realise the cape was an important part of the Batman 'look', and indeed when in glide mode, he looks amazing. My problem however is in moments where he is stood still or motionless. For me, when stood still, Batman's cape should hang over the front of his shoulders, as it did in Burton's Batman, and the animated series. I have mocked-up a version of the suit, colour tweaked and changed the 'hang' of the cape to illustrate what I mean...

I think I could use more shots of Batman wrapping himself in his cape if standing still.

I seriously had no idea tat turning a head would mean so much to people. And also, what scene did Batman turn his head in TDK?

Batman being able to turn his head makes his movement feel more natural and less rigid and awkward.

Well, when fighting multiple attackers as Batman would have to do, turning your head to see what was coming at you is a pretty basic need.
Watching the Tim Burton Batman film the other night it really struck me how rigid Batman always seemed.

Completely agreed. Michael Keaton moved like the poor guy was trapped in a statue when in the Batsuit in Burton's Batman films. It becomes noticeable whenever he had to turn to face another direction, and instead of simply turning his head like a normal person, he had to turn his whole upper body. Like when Joker calls out to him from the helicopter after he blows up Axis Chemicals.

 

[Young Superman]

Batman was originally colored black. It was a rule in comics to use blue to highlight the black in "good guys". It was later changed completely to blue to be more child friendly. But now kids are accustomed to good guys wearing black and the meaning of Batman's imagery so the blue really serves no purpose.
The yellow oval was a mark of Julius Schwartz editorial debut on Batman. It was then used artistically as a bulls-eye to help explain Batman wearing armor under the symbol. Due to Batman's suit now being fully armored the oval serves no purpose other than to pacify nostalgia.

Agreed, I personally prefer the black and grey Batsuit, without the ovel. I was just wondering if you people thought the blue and grey could work, without looking campy.

 

[Travesty]

Completely agreed. Michael Keaton moved like the poor guy was trapped in a statue when in the Batsuit in Burton's Batman films. It becomes noticeable whenever he had to turn to face another direction, and instead of simply turning his head like a normal person, he had to turn his whole upper body. Like when Joker calls out to him from the helicopter after he blows up Axis Chemicals.

"Poor guy trapped in a statue"? In the last scene he's ducking, rolling, kicking, punching, and jumping off the bell tower towards Joker's thug. Hardly a "poor guy trapped in a statue".

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[Godzilla2014]

"Poor guy trapped in a statue"? In the last scene he's ducking, rolling, kicking, punching, and jumping off the bell tower towards Joker's thug. Hardly a "poor guy trapped in a statue".

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Good point. It wasn't all the time, but there were definitely points when his Batsuit's inflexibility is all too apparent.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Honestly, this is all I've been asking for for a while. Just a minor color tweak to TDK suit makes it look SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better.

 

[DaveMoral]

Good point. It wasn't all the time, but there were definitely points when his Batsuit's inflexibility is all too apparent.

Kind of makes you wonder what they did for the stunt suitz that enabled that kind of movement while maintaining the look doesnt it? There are definitely differences.