The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VIII

[Godzilla2014]

Kind of makes you wonder what they did for the stunt suitz that enabled that kind of movement while maintaining the look doesnt it? There are definitely differences.

Me too.

 

[Russell Nash]

I'm guessing Bruce will get some sort of anti-Bane suit because the world needs more action figures.

 

[TerryMcGinnis]

I'm guessing Bruce will get some sort of anti-Bane suit because the world needs more action figures.

I doubt he'll be getting a totally new suit, but it's entirely realistic to believe that he'll make some comprehensive alterations on the old one, when he badly gets his ass kicked by Bane. IMO, there will be a lot more focus on Bruce's non-equipment related skills and his inner game than on anything techy.

 

[AnneFan]

I'm guessing Bruce will get some sort of anti-Bane suit because the world needs more action figures.

What if the final showdown isn't one on one, though? Batman learns his lesson that attacking head on is futile, and he instead attacks from the shadows and becomes a terrible thought, like his LOS teachings?

 

[BatBat]

He was also in hospital for 14 months. And I can guarantee he would have been in a quarantine area. Dent had no surgery, no protection from infection, and the fire on his skull was put out by a man punching him in the face with Kevlar knuckles and and he scraped his hand along his face when ripping the bandages off, had the fire not killed him, his own punishment would've killed him.

Also, not to try and diminish what happened to Roever, but Willie Pete burn immensely quickly whereas the amount of time needed to have burned Dent like that would have been much longer and there would have been a much great chance of him going into shock. But Roever also claimed he was awake. In any case Roever is the exception, not the rule.

Oh so you were part of the medical team that rushed him in the Er and worked on his wounds? Yeah didn't think so buddy. Dent was pumped with pain killers and antibiotics as soon as he gets in the hospital. That's a given.

 

[Troy_Parker]

The fire on his face was put out by Batman punching him?

 

[Eggyman]

Oh so you were part of the medical team that rushed him in the Er and worked on his wounds? Yeah didn't think so buddy. Dent was pumped with pain killers and antibiotics as soon as he gets in the hospital. That's a given.

They also gave him a clean hospital gown and fresh sheets on his bed.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Oh so you were part of the medical team that rushed him in the Er and worked on his wounds? Yeah didn't think so buddy. Dent was pumped with pain killers and antibiotics as soon as he gets in the hospital. That's a given.

What? To whom are you referring? No one you will ever speak to was on Dent's medical team. He's fictional. In any case, you are wrong. Rover himself said he was in hospital for 14 months and Gordon said Dent refused medication, even painkillers:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5LU4l4tw5ks

 

[StarLord]

The fire on his face was put out by Batman punching him?

Nope. I've watched the clip several times and Batman's hand is just hovering above Dent's face.

 

[DaveMoral]

I'd be interested in seeing the torso plates ripped off the TDK suit and it giving us a look at Batman with just the chainmail stuff on. I wonder if we could get a look at Batman with that on with out all the armor plates. I dont see all that stuff as attached, especially the shouldee and chest/collar pieces.

 

[joker1]

as it's been said here before, blue was used as a detailing colour. because of the primitive printing they had access to back in the 30's/40's, they could only use solid blocks of colour, which means for something to look more than a cartoon, detailing had to be done in a different colour. in reference to the above picture, the colourist is the one of the last people to work on a comic book page. because the line and inking work was already done, i guess the colourist had limited choices so as not to obstuct the artist's work.

back onto the colour discussion a few pages back, i've never understood blue as a colour for batman. it works in The Animated Series and The Batman (which are, at the end of the day, cartoons your younger fans), but i dont understand it anywhere else. black works for batman because of several reasons:

• he operates at night
• he relies on stealth, and building himself up as a terrifying image in the criminal's mind. couple this with the above point, and any hardened criminal will soil their pants
• the colour black reflects the type of superhero he is: superman is a people friendly hero who lives in a bright and breezy city, batman is a dark hero who beat's up scum in a crime-ridden city
• and in my opinion, he should be a silouhette. people should'nt be able to tell if he's a man or not, it should be all about the cape concealing his body, and not knowing if his pointy eared mask has eyes.

these are just my points of views, adding to the discussion

oh, and p.s: batman begins came out in 2005, when i was 13, and i got the Visual Guide book as a birthday present. on the page describing the features of the suit, it shows a close up of the headset he inserts into the cowl's ear (below) and it descibes it as having a microphone that alters his voice. i think this is actually a pretty good explaination for the growl, as bruce is a well known celebrity who'd want to disguise his voice in case anyone recognised him. just in case anyone didn't know

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

Well, it's a good thing these are movies.

But seriously, what scene in the movie showed Batman turning his head? I can't think of one. Almost all of the suits, they were able to look up and down, and I understand they couldn't properly turn their head, but at the same time, I can't remember where it was so monumental in TDK.

Go watch the Nightclub Fight scene where Bats takes out all of Maroni's thugs. Especially the head butt to the guy's face. There is no way that fight scene couldve been possible with the Begins suit. Infact, every single fight scene in TDK looks way better than the oafish looking Batman in BB. He'd pretty much haveto move his whole upper torso to look left or right, which made him look extremely stiff. Batman became graceful and lethal, like the ninja that he is, with TDK suit.

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

That voice is absurd and does not adhere to Nolan's "realism". Once he damages his larynx from talking like that after a couple of nights, that will easily give away his identity.

I was actually bothering to have a decent conversation with you about the Batsuit. But its pretty clear that your a troll. Clearly seeking attention. Your claims about TDK suit are just way off and dont even make any sense.

And now your attacking the voice. The Batsuit is awesome. The Nolan movies are great, and the number of people that love these films outweight the people who dont.

If you dont like the Nolan Batfilms, then why dont you go watch the Schumacher ones. It seems that those would suit your tastes way more.

 

[BatBat]

I was actually bothering to have a decent conversation with you about the Batsuit. But its pretty clear that your a troll. Clearly seeking attention. Your claims about TDK suit are just way off and dont even make any sense.

And now your attacking the voice. The Batsuit is awesome. The Nolan movies are great, and the number of people that love these films outweight the people who dont.

If you dont like the Nolan Batfilms, then why dont you go watch the Schumacher ones. It seems that those would suit your tastes way more.

I'm a troll? I'm not trying to start arguments by targeting an individual's
personal preference as you are here. I never said I didn't like any of Nolan's Batfilms. Batman Begins is my all time favorite Batman movie. The Batsuit is awesome in your eyes but not mine. I'm not seeking attention only addressing my complaints about things i didn't like being a longtime comics Batfan. That's part of what these threads are for. I can voice my opinion.
You getting mad at my complaints about certain aspects of Nolan's films doesn't make me a troll. In fact hurling that comment at me personally ,on the grounds that I disagree with certain elements, does in fact make you the troll.

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

 

[BatBat]

The ears there look somewhat altered. And I like how he looks there, but there are some shots in the movie where the costume doesn't , imo, compliment his movements.

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

I'm a troll? I'm not trying to start arguments by targeting an individual's
personal preference as you are here. I never said I didn't like any of Nolan's Batfilms. Batman Begins is my all time favorite Batman movie. The Batsuit is awesome in your eyes but not mine. I'm not seeking attention only addressing my complaints about things i didn't like being a longtime comics Batfan. That's part of what these threads are for. I can voice my opinion.
You getting mad at my complaints about certain aspects of Nolan's films doesn't make me a troll. In fact hurling that comment at me personally ,on the grounds that I disagree with certain elements, does in fact make you the troll.

Im not getting angry at you for voicing your opinions, infact, i love talking to people about what they like and they dont like in these movies. But everything you say about TDK suit is negative. All your opinions are overly harsh and totally negative. This is the first time anyone has even heard you say anything good about the Nolan films. BB is your favorite Batflick and thats great, but just because you like that movie better than TDK, dosent make you right about the suit. You totally have a right to voice your opinion and no one can ever stop you or even want to, but when your opinions are overly harsh, and especially about things that i personally love, then i have a right to defend it aswell. Alot of us LOVE TDK suit. You dont. Thats established.

Im glad we still have TDK suit in TDKR. Sucks to be you. Since you dont like it.

 

[BatBat]

Im not getting angry at you for voicing your opinions, infact, i love talking to people about what they like and they dont like in these movies. But everything you say about TDK suit is negative. All your opinions are overly harsh and totally negative. This is the first time anyone has even heard you say anything good about the Nolan films. BB is your favorite Batflick and thats great, but just because you like that movie better than TDK, dosent make you right about the suit. You totally have a right to voice your opinion and no one can ever stop you or even want to, but when your opinions are overly harsh, and especially about things that i personally love, then i have a right to defend it aswell. Alot of us LOVE TDK suit. You dont. Thats established.

Im glad we still have TDK suit in TDKR. Sucks to be you. Since you dont like it.

Doesn't suck to be me. I've got a long history of reading great Batman comics and meeting fantastic Batman artists. I may have negative things to say about the suit but that's based on my preference as an artist not just an angry fan. I'm not the only one who does not like TDK suit. I'd say the ratio of likers and haters (from what I've read of this thread) is about 50/50 or 60/40. I've also noticed that those that share my dislike for the suit were comics fans before they were movie fans, like me. The reason we argue against TDK's suit is because it doesn't evoke that animalistic, beast like, more than human image that has become the definition of Batman The Dark Knight. It works against that image not for it.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Nope. I've watched the clip several times and Batman's hand is just hovering above Dent's face.

Exactly. I was thinking, why would Batman save this guy, then punch his face in the hope that the fire on it would be put out?

Guess he saw the alternate scene. xD

 

[The_Joker_hahah]

Doesn't suck to be me. I've got a long history of reading great Batman comics and meeting fantastic Batman artists. I may have negative things to say about the suit but that's based on my preference as an artist not just an angry fan. I'm not the only one who does not like TDK suit. I'd say the ratio of likers and haters (from what I've read of this thread) is about 50/50 or 60/40. I've also noticed that those that share my dislike for the suit were comics fans before they were movie fans, like me. The reason we argue against TDK's suit is because it doesn't evoke that animalistic, beast like, more than human image that has become the definition of Batman The Dark Knight. It works against that image not for it.

Yes, but all the other people who dont like the suit or dislike some parts of it know how to express their opinions. You just sound like a spoiled child. Shall i repost some of your previous comments? Because they really are quite childish and amusing. Ive read the Batman comics since i was a kid and i appreciate both mediums of conveying the batman mythos, both Comics books and Movies. Heck, ive even watched all the animated series and films. And are you saying that the Batman in Burton and Schumacher's films was more animalistic than the one in TDK? Just because Michael Keaton held his the cape up, like Jack from the Titanic everytime he saw a thug, dosent make him animalistic. The way Batman glided in the air and smashed into the Prewitt building in TDK was very Animalistic. I could give you many more examples but im not going to bother..since your not here to have a conversation and discuss things. Your here to show your hate and act like someone just stole your candy.

 

[antsman41]

It's clearly an "antenna" he can hone in on different things by touching the side of the cowl.

He does it to spy in on the Crane/Psych conversation at Arkham (BEGINS), and he hacked into the Police frequencies (TDK).

 

[joker1]

It's clearly an "antenna" he can hone in on different things by touching the side of the cowl.

He does it to spy in on the Crane/Psych conversation at Arkham (BEGINS), and he hacked into the Police frequencies (TDK).

yes, it's a multi-directional antenna and microphone. you can see the mic near his wrist.

 

[Doc Samson]

"Poor guy trapped in a statue"? In the last scene he's ducking, rolling, kicking, punching, and jumping off the bell tower towards Joker's thug. Hardly a "poor guy trapped in a statue".

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I always felt while the suit was probably extremely restrictive, Keaton most likely played it up a bit too.

Like the scene after he drops Napier at the chemical plant and he's about to escape. I'm sure he didn't have to turn quite like that, but in that world, in Burton's universe, it all seemed to work nonetheless.

As I've said before, Nolan's "realism" is simply taking the fantastic elements of the Batman mythos, and translating them with a "real world" sensbility.

For the billionth time, these films are not, nor can they be, realistic.

The only reason this keeps being brought up is because certain people who may not like Nolan's approach, point to Two-Face, or the fear toxin as examples of "fantastical elements." Which, to them, by extension, means that Joker could have been permawhite, Bane should be huge, Catwoman should have ears, blah blah blah.

While there are fantastical elements in each of these movies, there are certain rules too. There is a certain level of plausibility whether some of you want to admit it or not, that lends these films to different interpretations of characters, which is why they were successful in the first place. Because the approach was different. There's only one film left, after that, let's hang Batman from as many gargoyles as they can build. For Pete sakes it'll at least give people something new to start whining about...

 

[Godzilla2014]

I always felt while the suit was probably extremely restrictive, Keaton most likely played it up a bit too.

Like the scene after he drops Napier at the chemical plant and he's about to escape. I'm sure he didn't have to turn quite like that, but in that world, in Burton's universe, it all seemed to work nonetheless.

Possibly. I don't know why Michael Keaton would play up the Batsuit's flexibility, though. It seems like that would be something that one would downplay.

The only reason this keeps being brought up is because certain people who may not like Nolan's approach, point to Two-Face, or the fear toxin as examples of "fantastical elements." Which, to them, by extension, means that Joker could have been permawhite, Bane should be huge, Catwoman should have ears, blah blah blah.

While there are fantastical elements in each of these movies, there are certain rules too. There is a certain level of plausibility whether some of you want to admit it or not, that lends these films to different interpretations of characters, which is why they were successful in the first place. Because the approach was different. There's only one film left, after that, let's hang Batman from as many gargoyles as they can build. For Pete sakes it'll at least give people something new to start whining about...

I completely agree.