The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Timstuff]

Still like this one. The old thread has some good stuff in it.

I think the body suit on this one looks very good, however I think the fans need to stop kidding themselves when it comes to the whole gray suit / black suit conundrum. If you took this suit and put it on a set with real lighting, the whole thing is going to look black anyway which is why in Nolan's movies the suits are made out of a dark matte gray. True "black" would just plain not show up in low light, and a lighter shade of gray would be too hard to cover up when they want to hide him in the shadows. It makes more sense from the director of photography's POV to use a suit that's one tone. He's supposed to be stealthy when he's in the shadows and intimidating when he's not, and I just don't see that effect happening in live action if he's got the gray tights and black undies look.

 

[the dmg]

I think the body suit on this one looks very good, however I think the fans need to stop kidding themselves when it comes to the whole gray suit / black suit conundrum. If you took this suit and put it on a set with real lighting, the whole thing is going to look black anyway which is why in Nolan's movies the suits are made out of a dark matte gray. True "black" would just plain not show up in low light, and a lighter shade of gray would be too hard to cover up when they want to hide him in the shadows. It makes more sense from the director of photography's POV to use a suit that's one tone. He's supposed to be stealthy when he's in the shadows and intimidating when he's not, and I just don't see that effect happening in live action if he's got the gray tights and black undies look.

And the black/gray not working for stealth argument comes up yet again.

 

[bane]

How about this? NOT MINE! Made by R-teest on deviantART.

That was made by me and posted by me here, not R-teest? Who the **** is R-teest?
Here's my original post from 2009: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16407859&postcount=682

 

[ALP]

Bleep the black grey argument, for me the stupid jigsaw pieces and numerous plates look is way more of a problem! Get rid of them.

 

[JAK®]

I think the body suit on this one looks very good, however I think the fans need to stop kidding themselves when it comes to the whole gray suit / black suit conundrum. If you took this suit and put it on a set with real lighting, the whole thing is going to look black anyway which is why in Nolan's movies the suits are made out of a dark matte gray. True "black" would just plain not show up in low light, and a lighter shade of gray would be too hard to cover up when they want to hide him in the shadows. It makes more sense from the director of photography's POV to use a suit that's one tone. He's supposed to be stealthy when he's in the shadows and intimidating when he's not, and I just don't see that effect happening in live action if he's got the gray tights and black undies look.

1. Who cares.

2. This is actually incorrect. Black is a horrible colour to blend in an urban setting, as there are few areas in a city that are truly pitch black. So a black Batman would actually be darker than his surroundings. Grey is actually a more stealthy colour. In fact the best colour combination for urban camoflague has been proven to be blue and grey. So ironically, if it's stealth you're concerned about, 'campy' blue and grey is what is required.

It's all moot, however, as if this was a matter of camouflage then Batman should be wearing a camo pattern. And we haven't quite reached that ridiculous level of realism yet.

 

[redhawk23]

And the black/gray not working for stealth argument comes up yet again.

Thats not whats hes saying, hes just pointing out that whatever the merits of grey tones in urban cammo may be, on film and in lighting this crap shows up differently.

 

[JAK®]

Thats not whats hes saying, hes just pointing out that whatever the merits of grey tones in urban cammo may be, on film and in lighting this crap shows up differently.

Well, in that case, that's even more ridiculous.

 

[lebedevore]

That was made by me and posted by me here, not R-teest? Who the **** is R-teest?
Here my original post from 2009: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16407859&postcount=682

And I really love what you did. It's brilliant, it changes a lot of things while staying the same...

 

[Young Superman]

That was made by me and posted by me here, not R-teest? Who the **** is R-teest?
Here my original post from 2009: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16407859&postcount=682

I'm sorry bane if I made you mad by posting that.

 

[Bruce Malone]

1. Who cares.

2.This is actually incorrect. Black is a horrible colour to blend in an urban setting, as there are few areas in a city that are truly pitch black. So a black Batman would actually be darker than his surroundings. Grey is actually a more stealthy colour. In fact the best colour combination for urban camoflague has been proven to be blue and grey. So ironically, if it's stealth you're concerned about, 'campy' blue and grey is what is required.

It's all moot, however, as if this was a matter of camouflage then Batman should be wearing a camo pattern. And we haven't quite reached that ridiculous level of realism yet.

Do you think batman wears black just for him to blend in? No it's also for intimidation purposes, he's a bat remember?. Seeing someone in all black step out of the shadows is scary as hell. Seeing someone in all blue step out is..just plain confusing.

 

[Saint]

I think the fans need to stop kidding themselves

I don't know, I'm inclined to think you're the one who's kidding himself if you think filmmakers couldn't design a lighting solution for a black and grey costume if they wanted to.

What a silly world that would be; Sam Raimi would tell his crew that Spider-man needs to hide in the shadows or look intimidating, and his crew would tell him to paint the costume black.

 

[JAK®]

Do you think batman wears black just for him to blend in? No it's also for intimidation purposes, he's a bat remember?. Seeing someone in all black step out of the shadows is scary as hell. Seeing someone in all blue step out is..just plain confusing.

Batman isn't bright blue.

He doesn't look like a naked David Cross.

But disregarding that, I wasn't arguing for a blue Batman - simply pointing out the irony in that blue and grey is more stealthy than black.

Let's go with your incredibly presumptuous and vague claim that a man in black stepping out of the shadows is inherently more scary than a man in blue; would a man in black and grey still be scary or not?

 

[JAK®]

I don't know, I'm inclined to think you're the one who's kidding himself if you think filmmakers couldn't design a lighting solution for a black and grey costume if they wanted to.

What a silly world that would be; Sam Raimi would tell his crew that Spider-man needs to hide in the shadows or look intimidating, and his crew would tell him to paint the costume black.

No, Saint, the logic these people use is perfectly sound. Black and Grey is impossible to light, the only way to blend in is to be darker than your surroundings, Grey is an unrealistic colour, the only usable armour is rubber and if you don't like the Nolan suits, you automatically want the Adam West costume.

I don't see anything wrong with those points, do you?

 

[Bathead]

This is completely perfect! This really isn't so damn hard WB and Nolan. This is the perfect mix of everything they and we want.

What you mean "we"? I certainly don't want that, speak for yourself.

 

[Stelze]

No, Saint, the logic these people use is perfectly sound. Black and Grey is impossible to light, the only way to blend in is to be darker than your surroundings, Grey is an unrealistic colour, the only usable armour is rubber and if you don't like the Nolan suits, you automatically want the Adam West costume.

I don't see anything wrong with those points, do you?

So what would your ideal suit look like?
Enlighten me.

And btw the rubber is not supposed to be rubber.
Just because the costume is made of rubber, doesn't mean it's rubber in the reality of the film.

I certainly don't want Bats to be jumping around in the christmas sweater we've seen earlier.

I just don't get why everyone always wants to have blue/black and grey.
I'm perfectly fine with the TDk suit, just get rid of some of the unnessecary puzzle pieces.
And one scene comes to my mind: in TDK where Batman crouches on the balustrade of gordons house when barbara is screaming at him after Gordon has been shot.
You almost can't see him. I had to look two or three times to actually see him there.

And so what if black is not a good urban camouflage color.
It looks way cooler than grey with black trunks.
That might look cool in a comic book, but all of the superman movies have proven that comic accurate suits always have been and will be looking like a freakin' pyjama.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

The choice of Bane in the film makes me wonder if we'll see a costume similar to AzBats? Not a big fan of that, but it's still lurking at the back of my mind.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

The choice of Bane in the film makes me wonder if we'll see a costume similar to AzBats? Not a big fan of that, but it's still lurking at the back of my mind.

I remember when early reports were coming in of the TDK suit (before the first official pic was released) and it was being described as making Batman look more like a "knight," I was actually expecting something with an Azbats influence.

 

[meee]

 

[Nave 'Torment']

That might look cool in a comic book, but all of the superman movies have proven that comic accurate suits always have been and will be looking like a freakin' pyjama.

Hey, the Superman costumes were perfectly iconic! Besides, pajamas? Seriously? I can't imagine sleeping in those costumes. What about the Spider-Man/Watchmen costumes? They're living proof that the so-called 'outlandish' costumes from comics transitions very well into films about larger-than-life superheroes.

 

[JAK®]

So what would your ideal suit look like?
Enlighten me.

Something that looks more like the traditional design while still looking presentable and functional.

And btw the rubber is not supposed to be rubber.
Just because the costume is made of rubber, doesn't mean it's rubber in the reality of the film.

Thanks for telling me this. I couldn't figure that out on my own.

No, that's not what I meant. I'm referring to previous arguments where other forms of armour have been suggested but people expressed they needed it to be made of rubber.

I certainly don't want Bats to be jumping around in the christmas sweater we've seen earlier.

Maybe my manip came across poorly but it was meant to look like a kevlar material;

I just don't get why everyone always wants to have blue/black and grey.

People want Batman to look like he usually does?

I'm perfectly fine with the TDk suit, just get rid of some of the unnessecary puzzle pieces.
And one scene comes to my mind: in TDK where Batman crouches on the balustrade of gordons house when barbara is screaming at him after Gordon has been shot.
You almost can't see him. I had to look two or three times to actually see him there.

A lot of people who like the TDK suit say that it's good because you can't see it properly.

And so what if black is not a good urban camouflage color.

Yeah, so what? It's not like everyone who is against a comic accurate costume brings up the stealth argument. But when it gets debunked all of a sudden it's "so what? It looks cooler."

It looks way cooler than grey with black trunks.

You don't know that because a professional modern suit of that type has never been done. I wasn't asking for trunks anyway.

That might look cool in a comic book, but all of the superman movies have proven that comic accurate suits always have been and will be looking like a freakin' pyjama.

Different character, different suit, therefore completely irrelevant.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

 

[Nave 'Torment']

That was made by me and posted by me here, not R-teest? Who the **** is R-teest?
Here my original post from 2009: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16407859&postcount=682

very impressive work there bane, I love the way you made the neck - it looks so much better now! And the colors were great too, reminded me of the classic Bat-suit the way they used it in BATMAN BEGINS: THE GAME. Do you think the change this time will be as dramatic as it was with TDK?

 

[Bruce Malone]

Batman isn't bright blue.

He doesn't look like a naked David Cross.

But disregarding that, I wasn't arguing for a blue Batman - simply pointing out the irony in that blue and grey is more stealthy than black.

Let's go with your incredibly presumptuous and vague claim that a man in black stepping out of the shadows is inherently more scary than a man in blue; would a man in black and grey still be scary or not?

I was just using the cross photo for comedic purposes but i don't think it's presumptuous that a man dressed in full black is more intimidating than full blue. Black has alway been an intimidating color, it's always represented fear and death not so much for blue.

As for can someone in grey and black be as intimidating as someone in full black? i don't think so. Like i said black on its own is a fearful color anything you add to it as in making half the costume grey dilutes it's power. Think of milk into coffee.

 

[JAK®]

I was just using the cross photo for comedic purposes but i don't think it's presumptuous that a man dressed in full black is more intimidating than full blue. Black has alway been an intimidating color, it's always represented fear and death not so much for blue.

As for can someone in grey and black be as intimidating as someone in full black? i don't think so. Like i said black on its own is a fearful color anything you add to it as in making half the costume grey dilutes it's power. Think of milk into coffee.

You are aware that the Nolan batsuits read as black and grey due to the different materials of the suit and cape, and that the TDK suit had significant amounts of grey on it?

 

[Stelze]

Hey, the Superman costumes were perfectly iconic! Besides, pajamas? Seriously? I can't imagine sleeping in those costumes. What about the Spider-Man/Watchmen costumes? They're living proof that the so-called 'outlandish' costumes from comics transitions very well into films about larger-than-life superheroes.

Well I have to agree with you on the last part.

Something that looks more like the traditional design while still looking presentable and functional.

I don't get why that is so important.

Thanks for telling me this. I couldn't figure that out on my own.

Well, this is a discussion right?
That was just a simple statement, for proving my point.

No, that's not what I meant. I'm referring to previous arguments where other forms of armour have been suggested but people expressed they needed it to be made of rubber.

Well isn't it the best choice for a movie costume that is supposed to look like anything else, name any material you want?

Maybe my manip came across poorly but it was meant to look like a kevlar material;

So the difference would be that he wears his aramid clothing over his padding/armor/whatever?
Yeah... huge difference.

People want Batman to look like he usually does?

See above.

A lot of people who like the TDK suit say that it's good because you can't see it properly.

I think you failed to understand my point.

Yeah, so what? It's not like everyone who is against a comic accurate costume brings up the stealth argument. But when it gets debunked all of a sudden it's "so what? It looks cooler."

So? To me it looks cooler, IN A MOVIE. As long as the suit fits the general feel and style of the movie it's ok to me.
Besides, I never brought up the stealth stuff. I was just saying that I don't care for it.

You don't know that because a professional modern suit of that type has never been done. I wasn't asking for trunks anyway.

And that has it's reasons. If you are a professional artist doing designs for big productions, then mea culpa. Then I shall have faith in your opinion.

Different character, different suit, therefore completely irrelevant.

No, perfectly relevant.
Fanboys always want to have their movie suits just like their comic counterparts. Same situation.