The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Dark Knight]

How about this? NOT MINE! Made by R-teest on deviantART.

Something like this which is a mix between the BB suit and TDK suit would look better than the TDK suit, becuase it would be less busy.

I want to see more scenes with the cape flowing in the wind and draped over his shoulders more and I want to see him use more Batarangs as slicing blades. This suit makes the blacks true blacks and the body of the suit is more dark grey.

The bat symbol on the chest is better than the one used in the TDK suit also.

 

[Bruce Malone]

You are aware that the Nolan batsuits read as black and grey due to the different materials of the suit and cape, and that the TDK suit had significant amounts of grey on it?

Yes but the suit appeared as black in almost every shot. Even in the shots where the suit was in open light it still looked more black than grey.

True black is hard to shoot on film so a greyish mix on the suit was used but with the intention of the suit appearing black on film which it did.

 

[JAK®]

I don't get why that is so important.

I'm a fan of Batman. I want a Batman movie to be a good adaption of Batman. Therefore, looking like Batman is an important aspect.

Well, this is a discussion right?
That was just a simple statement, for proving my point.

Well isn't it the best choice for a movie costume that is supposed to look like anything else, name any material you want?

Not a good choice for the suit I want to see. We've had rubber since 1989. It's time for a change.

So the difference would be that he wears his aramid clothing over his padding/armor/whatever?
Yeah... huge difference.

It's what he wears in the comics. If it's not a big difference, then why are you against it?

I think you failed to understand my point.

No, i got it, I'm just being obtuse.

So? To me it looks cooler, IN A MOVIE. As long as the suit fits the general feel and style of the movie it's ok to me.

Look. I can look past the costume and enjoy a movie for what it is. It doesn't stop me from wishing that things I disliked could be better, and when threads like this allow me to express those thoughts, I do so. But mostly I get annoyed from people telling those with opinions like mine that what they want is impossible. I'm not some anal fanboy who hates any change, I'm someone who doesn't like his opinions being marginalised.

And that has it's reasons. If you are a professional artist doing designs for big productions, then mea culpa. Then I shall have faith in your opinion.

I can find concept art for a traditional Batman costume from an actual professional if you'd like.

No, perfectly relevant.
Fanboys always want to have their movie suits just like their comic counterparts. Same situation.

You said that if Superman's costume looks like pyjamas, then Batman's will too. Now you're trying to say that you were referring to the situation of what fanboys want. Batman's costume is not Superman's costume. Different rules apply.

 

[JAK®]

Yes but the suit appeared as black in almost every shot. Even in the shots where the suit was in open light it still looked more black than grey.

True black is hard to shoot on film so a greyish mix on the suit was used but with the intention of the suit appearing black on film which it did.

So what you're saying is... grey is more realistic than black?

 

[Bruce Malone]

So what you're saying is... grey is more realistic than black?

Where the hell did i say that? I said i think a full black suit is more intimidating than black cowl grey bodysuit look or half and half whatever. And that a full black suit was depicted on-screen in TDK. So i don't follow you?

 

[JAK®]

Where the hell did i say that? I said i think a full black suit is more intimidating than black cowl grey bodysuit look or half and half whatever. And that a full black suit was depicted on-screen in TDK. So i don't follow you?

You said that true black is too hard to film, so they made it look more grey. So is grey more filmable than black?

 

[Bruce Malone]

You said that true black is too hard to film, so they made it look more grey. So is grey more filmable than black?

Pink fuchsia could be more filmable than black, i don't care as long as the end result is a black costume on screen.

To put it simply it doesn't matter what the prop suit looks like off-film its what it looks like on-film that does.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I'm a fan of Batman. I want a Batman movie to be a good adaption of Batman. Therefore, looking like Batman is an important aspect.

We generally agree over most things, and I know this isn't my argument, but, over the course of the bat-suit's history both in and out of comics I think that the cowl and the cape are the most important elements of the suit. Even over the symbol/logo, what says 'BATMAN' most are those pointy ears, the open-mouth and that cape. But this is an old proposition by now, what are your thoughts about it? When Batman Begins came out back in 2005 I was a bit bored by the fact that we were going to get yet another rubber suit, having seen DEAD END which simply looked like an ideal bat-suit to me. When the TDK suit was released, I hated how it looked. But in retrospect I don't mind the suits that Nolan's made.

 

[JAK®]

We generally agree over most things, and I know this isn't my argument, but, over the course of the bat-suit's history both in and out of comics I think that the cowl and the cape are the most important elements of the suit. Even over the symbol/logo, what says 'BATMAN' most are those pointy ears, the open-mouth and that cape. But this is an old proposition by now, what are your thoughts about it? When Batman Begins came out back in 2005 I was a bit bored by the fact that we were going to get yet another rubber suit, having seen DEAD END which simply looked like an ideal bat-suit to me. When the TDK suit was released, I hated how it looked. But in retrospect I don't mind the suits that Nolan's made.

Yes, you're absolutely right, and in fact manips of the TDK suit that alter the cape and cowl to look more like the comics make the suit a lot more tolerable to me. However, the focus Nolan puts on the costume to look armoured as possible makes him neglect the cape and cowl, and this is very obvious in TDK. Even when putting aside the rubber material and armoured look, Nolan's Batman isn't presented in a way that is satisfactory.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

F*** it, Nolan needs to go full ZUR-EN-ARRH!!

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Yes, you're absolutely right, and in fact manips of the TDK suit that alter the cape and cowl to look more like the comics make the suit a lot more tolerable to me. However, the focus Nolan puts on the costume to look armoured as possible makes him neglect the cape and cowl, and this is very obvious in TDK. Even when putting aside the rubber material and armoured look, Nolan's Batman isn't presented in a way that is satisfactory.

Definitely, the best I could reconcile it with is the suit-of-armor Bruce wore at the end of Dark Knight Returns while battling Superman. Like the Tumbler, which feels like the tank from the same book. But both were very much meant to serve as different designs from what was the norm. It really makes this next movie more interesting.

F*** it, Nolan needs to go full ZUR-EN-ARRH!!

Dude, don't even JOKE about that.

 

[regwec]

If Bane breaks Batman mentally as well as physically: we could well get the red, purple and yellow suit we have all been longing for.

 

[itsthebatman]

In that case, I demand Bat-Mite whispering things in his ear.
A fully fledged adaptation of R.I.P. That would be INSANE.

 

[ALP]

That might look cool in a comic book, but all of the superman movies have proven that comic accurate suits always have been and will be looking like a freakin' pyjama.

Yeah let's use some films made in the 70s and early 80s to prove that a comic accurate suit cannot ever possibly work

Doesn't Raimi's Spidey suits prove the exact opposite? And Snyder as well.

Your argument is so tired and stupid, the only way it could have been sillier is if you said comic accurate suits couldn't work because of what Adam West wore.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

^itsthebatman

and as unnecessary as the book itself.

 

[COMPO]

I wouldn't mind if the suit stayed the same if Bale bulked up from what he was in TDK.

 

[louiebling$]

*subscribe*

 

[regwec]

^itsthebatman

and as unnecessary as the book itself.

Which Batman comics were "necessary"?

 

[The Red Hood]

Take the current comics suit. Use a Tron-like material for the suit. Keep the BB/TDK belt. And yes, keep the yellow bat symbol/light. It can be used to blind opponents before pouncing.

All black, no gray.

 

[DaveMoral]

The yellow ellipse is horrible. I hope it goes away when Inc inevitably ends in some catastrophic breakdown of the whole army of Batmen project.

 

[Savage]

Take the current comics suit. Use a Tron-like material for the suit. Keep the BB/TDK belt. And yes, keep the yellow bat symbol/light. It can be used to blind opponents before pouncing.

All black, no gray.

I think this would be awesome. The yellow oval symbol can work with the whole "symbol" thing he's going for. An actual symbol that you can see and look for. maybe this is the start of people actually seeing Batman as some kind of superhero.

Plus it fits since the Bat symbol in the movies have been getting progressively smaller anyway. Any smaller and he really will need the yellow to make it visible. I like it, personally. It'll keep Batman up to date with his comic book appearance as well.

 

[Mr. Earle]

F*** it, Nolan needs to go full ZUR-EN-ARRH!!

 

[JAK®]

Take the current comics suit. Use a Tron-like material for the suit. Keep the BB/TDK belt. And yes, keep the yellow bat symbol/light. It can be used to blind opponents before pouncing.

All black, no gray.

Sculpted muscles aside, there is very little about this costume that can be seen as 'campy', and I don't see why people are against a colour scheme such as this.

 

[Motown Marvel]

F*** it, Nolan needs to go full ZUR-EN-ARRH!!

 

[Timstuff]

The funny thing to me is, with every other superhero, they have to put on a black costume whenever it's supposed to show that they're "going dark." Batman is supposed to already be dark, so why shouldn't he have a black costume by default?

As for this claim that gray is stealthier than black-- first of all, Batman's suit in Nolan's movies IS gray. The way it is lit makes it look black, but it's actually matte gray. I see no reason to make the cowl darker and put panties on it when there would be no discernable difference in most lighting conditions anyway. Second of all, if you're going to use that argument, then surely you would not object to Batman's suit having an urban camo pattern, since whatever benefit a middle gray suit would have would be minuscule compared to actual camo?

There's your perfect Batman suit material. And you wouldn't be able to complain about it, since your argument is that black isn't stealthy enough.