The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Godzilla2014]

Guys, lets face it, if if Batman was going to be actually realistic, many classic elements would be different. His eyes and mouth would be protected, i.e, fully covered mask.

This gives me an idea: What if Batman could attach face shields and gas masks to his mask?

He wouldn't just use a dinky belt to hold all his stuff, he'd have goodies hidden all over his body,

It's not a "dinky" belt. It's metal and sturdy. He has a High-Frequency Transponder in boot heel at least. In the comics he has lock picks stored in his gloves.

or he'd a least paint the belt black.

I wouldn't mind if he painted it black or even gray. I'm not sure if the comics have ever explained the utility belt being yellow.

Also, he'd go out with some kind of weapon and not just rely on his fists, like every other warrior has ever done. Doesn't have to be lethal, could be as simple as escrima sticks.

He has plenty. Mini-mines, knuckle busters, charge-firing rifle, grapnel gun, Batarangs, and firing gauntlet blades.

 

[Savage]

Wait, didn't the Prima bailerina from TDK had well-endowed breasts... YOU LIE!

Hey, I said athlete. If you're gonna use an example of well endowed female athletes then mention the Williams sisters. Those two are anomalies. Truth is out of all the female athletes out there, only a handful of them have the pornstar body that is frequently drawn.

 

[JAK®]

have you considered that the movie suit is black for the same reason, that the people who make the films just like the way it looks? Or even in universe, given that there are arguements that grey actually works better at night than black, and that one of the worlds greatest tactical minds would know this, that Batman goes with the black because he likes it?

"Does it come in black?"

Yeah, I have considered it, and in fact I know that is actually the real reason, but everyone here seems to think that it has something to do with absolute realism. Of course, when realism works against them, they resort to "Well, it just LOOKS better", which reveals their true stake in the argument and that it is all subjective.

I like black and grey Batman, and I think black and grey Batman will not only work on film, but in 'Nolan's universe'. Somehow that makes me some sort of zealot. I think people need to step back and look at what they are arguing about.

 

[Stelze]

I think people need to step back and look at what they are arguing about.

The same could be said for you.

 

[Mr. Earle]

He was inoculated, he didn't need a gas mask. Lucius says this outright. Story logic is, in fact, important.

Crane could have come up with a new gas.

Anyway that wasnt the point i was trying to make. My point is that its a movie and looks do and should matter more than internal logic.

 

[Lencho01]

This gives me an idea: What if Batman could attach face shields and gas masks to his mask?

Something like 2:40...

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[moe]

Crane could have come up with a new gas.

Anyway that wasnt the point i was trying to make. My point is that its a movie and looks do and should matter more than internal logic.

wtf?

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

This gives me an idea: What if Batman could attach face shields and gas masks to his mask?

I'd love to have a scene where he attaches a gas mask or rebreather. I always thought it looked cool, how it fit the exposed part of the mask like a puzzle piece.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I'd love to have a scene where he attaches a gas mask or rebreather. I always thought it looked cool, how it fit the exposed part of the mask like a puzzle piece.

That would be awesome. Combine with flip down lenses like TDK's sonar, and we have an awesome moment.

 

[JAK®]

The same could be said for you.

Not really.

I have no delusions that what I want is not the only way it could be done. I'm part of the group that says "Well, actually, there is an alternative", as opposed to those who say "No, can't be done, realism, Nolan's vision"

Of course, wanting a costume to look closer to the source material automatically makes me an idiot, so of course I look like the bad guy in all this.

 

[BatScot]

When did I say something in the middle doesn't exist? Also, memory cloth is currently being researched by DARPA, so it may just not exist yet.

Point taken... so are you of the opinion then that "something in the middle" is a reasonable alternative?

 

[BatScot]

have you considered that the movie suit is black for the same reason, that the people who make the films just like the way it looks?

I've considered it also, and I think you've hit the nail on the head: people who make films like it that way and that that is pretty much all there is to it. But some people who make films also like nipples on the batsuit. And some people who make films are simply frightened to try something other than the "black rubber batsuit". So yeah, I've considered it; I just don't accept it being much of a reason.

Or even in universe, given that there are arguements that grey actually works better at night than black, and that one of the worlds greatest tactical minds would know this, that Batman goes with the black because he likes it?

I'm not sure I follow your logic here? Assuming you are referring to 'Batman' as being "one of the worlds greatest tactical minds" and conceding that this 'Batman' knows "grey actually works better at night than black" are you saying that this 'Batman' would chose black over the more functional grey simply because he likes the look of black better? Because if that's what you're saying then this 'Batman' of yours is not "one of the worlds greatest tactical minds" since he seems more slave to fashion than interested in tactical function.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Point taken... so are you of the opinion then that "something in the middle" is a reasonable alternative?

Kevlar's good. I think I may just prefer the body armor look in live-action, as least from what he have already seen on film. It seems more menacing to me than a fabric costume. It has to do with Batman being a "more than just a man", as Ra's al Ghul said. Again, my opinion is based on what he have seen.

 

[BatScot]

Yeah, I have considered it, and in fact I know that is actually the real reason, but everyone here seems to think that it has something to do with absolute realism. Of course, when realism works against them, they resort to "Well, it just LOOKS better", which reveals their true stake in the argument and that it is all subjective.

I like black and grey Batman, and I think black and grey Batman will not only work on film, but in 'Nolan's universe'. Somehow that makes me some sort of zealot. I think people need to step back and look at what they are arguing about.

 

[The Red Hood]

Somehow that makes me some sort of zealot. I think people need to step back and look at what they are arguing about.

No, what makes you a zealot is your harsh treatment of anyone who disagrees with you.

Of all the people who've posted in this thread, YOU are the one who needs to step back. You've treated people rudely over their opinions on a fictional character's costume.

I think you need to examine yourself instead of asking other people to do so.

 

[regwec]

I'm examining myself right now.

Mmmmm...

 

[BatScot]

Kevlar's good. I think I may just prefer the body armor look in live-action, as least from what he have already seen on film. It seems more menacing to me than a fabric costume. It has to do with Batman being a "more than just a man", as Ra's al Ghul said. Again, my opinion is based on what he have seen.

Hmm, see the thing is a.) Nolanites/realists/anti-greys argue that the batsuit must be black for reasons of stealth, i.e., that Batman ‘not be seen’ and the idea that anyone could discern that Batman was wearing body (or not wearing body armor for that matter) is in conflict with the idea of a Batman who's suit is designed not to be not seen, and b.) seeing body armor on someone does not make anyone think that person is “more than just a man” it makes them think there is a man wearing body armor.

For point a. the solution is quite simple: it doesn’t matter whether Batman’s armor is obvious or not, you’re not supposed to get that close of a look at him anyway and even if you do you’re probably not all that concerned with why you can’t see the stuff that stopped the bullets you pumped his way.

Point b. is even easier to address: not being able to tell that a person is wearing body armor and seeing that person take a bullet makes that person seem “more than just a man” more so than knowing the person is wearing body armor.

I do think that Batman should wear armor, but it doesn't matter a d*mn whether anyone knows that Batman is wearing armor and it matters even less that any observer can see that Batman is wearing armor.

 

[BatScot]

no, what makes you a zealot is your harsh treatment of anyone who disagrees with you.

Well if that's the case then JAK® just went up a level in my estimation.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Hmm, see the thing is a.) Nolanites/realists/anti-greys argue that the batsuit must be black for reasons of stealth, i.e., that Batman ‘not be seen’ and the idea that anyone could discern that Batman was wearing body (or not wearing body armor for that matter) is in conflict with the idea of a Batman who's suit is designed not to be not seen, and b.) seeing body armor on someone does not make anyone think that person is “more than just a man” it makes them think there is a man wearing body armor.

For point a. the solution is quite simple: it doesn’t matter whether Batman’s armor is obvious or not, you’re not supposed to get that close of a look at him anyway and even if you do you’re probably not all that concerned with why you can’t see the stuff that stopped the bullets you pumped his way.

Point b. is even easier to address: not being able to tell that a person is wearing body armor and seeing that person take a bullet makes that person seem “more than just a man” more so than knowing the person is wearing body armor.

I do think that Batman should wear armor, but it doesn't matter a d*mn whether anyone knows that Batman is wearing armor and it matters even less that any observer can see that Batman is wearing armor.

I agree with you for the most part, actually, and this why I earlier disagreed with the fabric over-suit idea. What I was trying to say was that the hard body armor pieces break up the human body form underneath, hence why I brought up the "more than just a man" thing. I guess I failed at communicating this earlier.

 

[CinematicESP]

A good justification for a grey suit might be if Nolan sets TDKR in the snow, so Batman would need to better blend into the background. I imagine a snowy Gotham would be dirty anyways, shades of grey rather than stark white.

 

[JAK®]

No, what makes you a zealot is your harsh treatment of anyone who disagrees with you.

Of all the people who've posted in this thread, YOU are the one who needs to step back. You've treated people rudely over their opinions on a fictional character's costume.

I think you need to examine yourself instead of asking other people to do so.

No, I don't treat people harshly because they disagree with me, I treat people harshly because they can't disagree with me without looking down their nose at me. I'm just some annoying 'purist' who needs to be squashed, they don't actually know my views on the matter or what I am actually proposing.

These people will look at this page and not realise that me and BatScot are actually two different people. We're all the same to them.

 

[JAK®]

A good justification for a grey suit might be if Nolan sets TDKR in the snow, so Batman would need to better blend into the background. I imagine a snowy Gotham would be dirty anyways, shades of grey rather than stark white.

Interesting, you think that a proposed 'grey' Batsuit would be light enough to blend in with snow? Perhaps that is the source of the disagreement...

 

[ALP]

Alfred: You're going out in that? It's just a piece of cloth!

Bruce: Watch this.

[Bruce places the cloth tunic over a mannequin, puts it in front of a firing range, pushes a button and a dozen automatic weapons unload on the mannequin knocking it to the ground. After the firing ceases Bruce walks to the mannequin and picks it up, dusts it off and shows it to Alfred, the cloth and mannequin are completely unscathed.]

Bruce: It's a kevlar based nano-material with kinetic redistribution capability. [pause and smile] Plus it breathes a lot better than the old suits.

Alfred: Harumph, it still looks like cloth to me. [turns and walks away]

Alfred: But Master Wayne, why is the suit grey? And why are their trunks on it?

Bruce: Because that's what my comic book counterpart wears, dammit! Don't ask anymore questions or I'll go Bateman on you.

Alfred: Remember that psychotic boyfriend line I quipped to Harvey?

Bruce: Yeah...

Alfred: I wasn't joking.

 

[JAK®]

"Master Bruce, why does your suit look like a rubber tyre?"

"Realism, Alfred"

 

[ALP]

Something like that may have been a valid thing for Alfred to question in BB but it's a little late for that.

If you or anyone else doesn't care for the black rubber, that's fine but anyone who thinks Nolan and Hemming are going to change things up in that manner in the world they have already established is simply delusional.