The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Godzilla2014]

Dark charcoal grey fabric with a texture like this;

If the trunks, cape, cowl, gloves and boots are black, they shouldn't stand out against the lighter areas as much as they do in the comics, which uses a lighter grey for contrast. So the trunks shouldn't be a problem.

I agree.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I would be satisfied if we got something similar to the art posted above but I'm almost positive Nolan and co would never go that route unfortunately.

 

[Indy Flash]

Dark charcoal grey fabric with a texture like this;

If the trunks, cape, cowl, gloves and boots are black, they shouldn't stand out against the lighter areas as much as they do in the comics, which uses a lighter grey for contrast. So the trunks shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah This Suit Would Suit Very Well. But They Won't Be.

 

[Mr. Earle]

As for the exposed mouth, that's not as unrealistic as you might think. There's a reason why often soldiers faces aren't covered in armor: The part of the human body that people whose jobs may require shooting at another person (Military, Law Enforcement, et cetera.) teach you to aim for center mass, because, in spite of what most first-person shooters will demonstrate, it's actually pretty hard to score a headshot, especially on a moving target. Furthermore, it would be pretty hard to design armor that you can breathe through. Soldiers generally only wear gas masks when they are needed, otherwise it would be pretty hard to do things like hydrating and so on. In Batman's case, I doubt that he would run into an NBC situation often enough as a crime fighter to warrant having one over his face at all times.

I doubt Kane and Finger were thinking of all that when they were designing him. I dont need it to be explained, its just how batman looks. Nolan just explained a few things while turning a blind eye to various impracticalities and flaws of logic to the suit. Why would you guys be so pedantic about these details?

Just watch the damn story without worrying about all the rivets on the batmobile and seams on his suit. Jeez, i'm gonna go read about Batman owning Darkseid to calm myself.

I'm just stating why it doesn't bother me. To me, if you don't want realism, that's fine, but that's a separate issue from what we're talking about.

No, its not because in the name of real life logic and practicality we ended up with a Batman that looks like crap. And like i already pointed out you only justify Nolan's choices with realism while turning a blind eye to whatever doesnt fit.

"He blends in the shadows better."
What about the golden belt.
"He is protecting himself with armor."
What about his world famous chin?
and so on.

So screw realism because the suit isnt really realistic anyway. Its pseudo realistic.

 

[Mr. Earle]

If the trunks, cape, cowl, gloves and boots are black, they shouldn't stand out against the lighter areas as much as they do in the comics, which uses a lighter grey for contrast. So the trunks shouldn't be a problem.

EXACTLY!

I'd also love to see the suit you posted, with some small modifications of course. Remove the zippers, get a better golden belt, and a few other things.

 

[Indy Flash]

A little Manip Of Bale In That Suit.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I doubt Kane and Finger were thinking of all that when they were designing him. I dont need it to be explained, its just how batman looks. Nolan just explained a few things while turning a blind eye to various impracticalities and flaws of logic to the suit. Why would you guys be so pedantic about these details?

I'm not being pedantic, you called the exposed mouth unrealistic, and I called ********.

Just watch the damn story without worrying about all the rivets on the batmobile and seams on his suit. Jeez, i'm gonna go read about Batman owning Darkseid to calm myself.
No, its not because in the name of real life logic and practicality we ended up with a Batman that looks like crap. And like i already pointed out you only justify Nolan's choices with realism while turning a blind eye to whatever doesnt fit.

"He blends in the shadows better."
What about the golden belt.
"He is protecting himself with armor."
What about his world famous chin?
and so on.

So screw realism because the suit isnt really realistic anyway. Its pseudo realistic.

Again, I just said that I wouldn't mind the belt being black and that the uncovered chin isn't unrealistic, yet you seem to be ignoring what I am saying or calling me pedantic. You are putting me in a position where if I address the things you call unrealistic, I am being pedantic. If I don't, then I am a hypocrite. It's kind of a dick move.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

i like it!

 

[Saint]

I'm not being pedantic, you called the exposed mouth unrealistic, and I called ********.



Again, I just said that I wouldn't mind the belt being black and that the uncovered chin isn't unrealistic, yet you seem to be ignoring what I am saying or calling me pedantic. You are putting me in a position where if I address the things you call unrealistic, I am being pedantic. If I don't, then I am a hypocrite. It's kind of a dick move.

I'm with Godzilla on this one.

It's a stupid argument, anyway. This is fiction. How realism informs the story (or vice versa), if it does at all, is part of building the language of the world and of the narrative, and no, it's not as simple as saying "Forget all the realism!" or "This is the exact amount of realism this story should have!" Everything thing is a matter of degrees, and in this case there is no fixed amount, no magic number.

You can't just pretend it doesn't matter. It does matter, and if you do decide to throw it out the window, that has to be a carefully measured decision, because that's going to affect your product. Anyone who thinks these details don't matter musn't have much concept of what it is to build a story.

 

[Timstuff]

Why don't filmmakers use multiple masks in Batman movies with subtle variations in the facial expressions for different scenes? This is the kind of trickery you can only get away with in movies, and yet they never take advantage of it. In action scenes, and scenes where he's angry, his mask can have a slightly more furrowed brow, and in scenes with the love interest, he can have one with a slightly softer expression, etc. of course if they overuse it then it will become too obvious (especially if they try to switch between shots too often), but I think that this could help with some of the inherent problem of Batman's mask being difficult for the actor to express through. Rather than having one mask that is as neutral as possible, you can get away with different masks that meet the needs of a particular scene, but the differences between them are subtle enough that it all looks like the same mask when you watch the film.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Dark charcoal grey fabric with a texture like this;

If the trunks, cape, cowl, gloves and boots are black, they shouldn't stand out against the lighter areas as much as they do in the comics, which uses a lighter grey for contrast. So the trunks shouldn't be a problem.

Maybe I shouldn't really comment in this thread as Batsuit discussion is not really my forum as I don't care THAT much about it and was perfectly fine with both BB and TDK ones.

But I gotta say that even though this is a nice suit I would CARE and OBJECT if it was in TDKR, wouldn't fit the established universe at all, wether be it looks or functionality.

It would be awesome for a different Batman movie though.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I'm with Godzilla on this one.

It's a stupid argument, anyway. This is fiction. How realism informs the story (or vice versa), if it does at all, is part of building the language of the world and of the narrative, and no, it's not as simple as saying "Forget all the realism!" or "This is the exact amount of realism this story should have!" Everything thing is a matter of degrees, and in this case there is no fixed amount, no magic number.

You can't just pretend it doesn't matter. It does matter, and if you do decide to throw it out the window, that has to be a carefully measured decision, because that's going to affect your product. Anyone who thinks these details don't matter musn't have much concept of what it is to build a story.

Maybe i exaggerated, but i didnt mean that there shouldnt be internal rules to the movie universe. But sitting down and analyzing every detail of the suit with real life logic? Screw that, you guys can analyze the practicality of Batman's mouth opening, paint the belt black, replace the mouth opening with a gas mask, give him tasers and a rifle that shoots darts with sedative (why would he punch people when he can knock them out?) while i go read Return of Bruce Wayne where he travels through time and fuses himself with technology from the end of time.

Oh, i'll also read RIP where he has a backup personality. How he does that? I dont give a rat's ass because he's batman and he's not meant to be a REALISTIC CRIME DRAMA FOR SERIOUS VIEWERS SUCH AS MYSELF.

Btw guys, did it occur to you that Batman cant support his own weight when he's gliding and holding the cape with only his arms?

OMG UNREALISM. PLEASE REMOVE THE CAPE. ITS IMPRACTICAL.

Why don't filmmakers use multiple masks in Batman movies with subtle variations in the facial expressions for different scenes? This is the kind of trickery you can only get away with in movies, and yet they never take advantage of it. In action scenes, and scenes where he's angry, his mask can have a slightly more furrowed brow, and in scenes with the love interest, he can have one with a slightly softer expression, etc. of course if they overuse it then it will become too obvious (especially if they try to switch between shots too often), but I think that this could help with some of the inherent problem of Batman's mask being difficult for the actor to express through. Rather than having one mask that is as neutral as possible, you can get away with different masks that meet the needs of a particular scene, but the differences between them are subtle enough that it all looks like the same mask when you watch the film.

I think it would be too obvious so i'm fine with an angry expression sculpted on the mask. He's trying to be a beast is he not?

Maybe I shouldn't really comment in this thread as Batsuit discussion is not really my forum as I don't care THAT much about it and was perfectly fine with both BB and TDK ones.

But I gotta say that even though this is a nice suit I would CARE and OBJECT if it was in TDKR, wouldn't fit the established universe at all, wether be it looks or functionality.

It would be awesome for a different Batman movie though.

100 bucks says that if Nolan gave us this suit and explained the cloth as "3 buttons is a little 90ies, this is a new bullet resisting material" you'd all eat it up, both the cloth and the panties.

100 bucks.

 

[JAK®]

My stance in this argument isn't so much about changing the Nolan costumes but to prove that a more comic accurate Batsuit can work on film.

That said, I still think the Nolan costumes look bad, even when not taking the differences from the comics into account.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I'm with Godzilla on this one.

It's a stupid argument, anyway. This is fiction. How realism informs the story (or vice versa), if it does at all, is part of building the language of the world and of the narrative, and no, it's not as simple as saying "Forget all the realism!" or "This is the exact amount of realism this story should have!" Everything thing is a matter of degrees, and in this case there is no fixed amount, no magic number.

You can't just pretend it doesn't matter. It does matter, and if you do decide to throw it out the window, that has to be a carefully measured decision, because that's going to affect your product. Anyone who thinks these details don't matter musn't have much concept of what it is to build a story.

Agreed. There are multiple ways to do realism and plausibility.

Maybe i exaggerated, but i didnt mean that there shouldnt be internal rules to the movie universe. But sitting down and analyzing every detail of the suit with real life logic? Screw that, you guys can analyze the practicality of Batman's mouth opening, paint the belt black, replace the mouth opening with a gas mask, give him tasers and a rifle that shoots darts with sedative (why would he punch people when he can knock them out?) while i go read Return of Bruce Wayne where he travels through time and fuses himself with technology from the end of time.

Oh, i'll also read RIP where he has a backup personality. How he does that? I dont give a rat's ass because he's batman and he's not meant to be a REALISTIC CRIME DRAMA FOR SERIOUS VIEWERS SUCH AS MYSELF.

Btw guys, did it occur to you that Batman cant support his own weight when he's gliding and holding the cape with only his arms?

OMG UNREALISM. PLEASE REMOVE THE CAPE. ITS IMPRACTICAL.

Like I said, it seems that your objection is to realism. Also, why do you think that replacing the mouth opening with a gas mask would be more realistic?

I think it would be too obvious so i'm fine with an angry expression sculpted on the mask. He's trying to be a beast is he not?

I agree.

100 bucks says that if Nolan gave us this suit and explained the cloth as "3 buttons is a little 90ies, this is a new bullet resisting material" you'd all eat it up, both the cloth and the panties.

100 bucks.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?

 

[Mr. Earle]

Like I said, it seems that your objection is to realism.

My objection is to fans who like to analyze every part of the suit as if there was really a Bruce Wayne ready to go out and face real crime.

- Hey, i'd like a grey and black suit.
- No man, you see he wont be able to blend as well in the shadows if he wears the comics suit because studies prove that blah, blah, blah, blah.
- Kane and Finger didnt care about actually blending in the shadows and neither do i. I just want a movie about Batman.
- Yeah but would it hurt if he puts his cape in a bag when he's not gliding? Fighting with a cape is not practical and would get him killed.
- Seriously man, you and comics are done professionally.

Also, why do you think that replacing the mouth opening with a gas mask would be more realistic?

Because it would not only protect his famous jaw (how would it look if Bruce Wayne appeared with some injury there?), but also protect him from poisonous gases and what not.

But hey, feel free to apply realism wherever you like. You still havent addressed my point about him supporting his weight (+ armour + gadgets) when he's gliding and holding the cape with his hands. How can you close your eyes to such blatant impracticality and unrealism and then ask for a black belt for the sake of blending in the shadows, or an armoured look because armoured cloth isnt good enough for bullets?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I really doubt we'll see a big change in the bat-suit this time around.

I think Nolan has what he wants... it'll just be minor adjustments.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

I think if there are anymore armor plates or general lines in the suit in this new movie, he will no longer be Batman. He will be geometry man!

 

[Godzilla2014]

My objection is to fans who like to analyze every part of the suit as if there was really a Bruce Wayne ready to go out and face real crime.

- Hey, i'd like a grey and black suit.
- No man, you see he wont be able to blend as well in the shadows if he wears the comics suit because studies prove that blah, blah, blah, blah.
- Kane and Finger didnt care about actually blending in the shadows and neither do i. I just want a movie about Batman.
- Yeah but would it hurt if he puts his cape in a bag when he's not gliding? Fighting with a cape is not practical and would get him killed.
- Seriously man, you and comics are done professionally.

I can see your point about the necessity of suspension of disbelief in some cases.

Because it would not only protect his famous jaw (how would it look if Bruce Wayne appeared with some injury there?), but also protect him from poisonous gases and what not.

The thing is that, like I said earlier, Batman's not likely to run into an NBC situation often enough in crime-fighting to require a gas mask to be on his face at all times. It gets hot inside a gas mask, and that might inhibit his physical performance. As for the possibility of chin injury (presumably from being punched in the face), he would most likely be guarding his face from attacks, and I don't know if a gas mask would actually protect him from that.

But hey, feel free to apply realism wherever you like. You still havent addressed my point about him supporting his weight (+ armour + gadgets) when he's gliding and holding the cape with his hands.

Ok. I haven't commented on that because I don't have the necessary scientific knowledge to conclude if the cape would support his weight while gliding or not in reality based in fact.

How can you close your eyes to such blatant impracticality and unrealism and then ask for a black belt for the sake of blending in the shadows, or an armoured look because armoured cloth isnt good enough for bullets?

What do mean by "armored cloth"? Kevlar alone w/o the ceramic plates?
WARNING: SCIENCE CONTENT BELOW!
A kevlar bullet-resistant vest, such as those used by law enforcement, is great at stopping pistol rounds like the 9x19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP cartridges, but it can't stop high-velocity assault rifle rounds like the 5.56 NATO cartridge or full-sized rifle rounds like 7.62 NATO cartridge, which is why ceramic plates are added in soldiers' body armor. Today, the proliferation of such vests has lead to an increased demand for weapons using such rounds, which has led to submachine guns becoming obsolete in favor of assault rifle carbines and personal defense weapons (PDWs). In anticipation of that trend, I suspect, the Batsuits in the Nolan films have ceramic plates to give it the needed protection from such rounds.

 

[Saint]

Maybe i exaggerated, but i didnt mean that there shouldnt be internal rules to the movie universe. But sitting down and analyzing every detail of the suit with real life logic? Screw that, you guys can analyze the practicality of Batman's mouth opening, paint the belt black, replace the mouth opening with a gas mask, give him tasers and a rifle that shoots darts with sedative (why would he punch people when he can knock them out?) while i go read Return of Bruce Wayne where he travels through time and fuses himself with technology from the end of time.

Oh, i'll also read RIP where he has a backup personality. How he does that? I dont give a rat's ass because he's batman and he's not meant to be a REALISTIC CRIME DRAMA FOR SERIOUS VIEWERS SUCH AS MYSELF.

Btw guys, did it occur to you that Batman cant support his own weight when he's gliding and holding the cape with only his arms?

OMG UNREALISM. PLEASE REMOVE THE CAPE. ITS IMPRACTICAL.

Okay, so you didn't get my point at all--or maybe you got it and just decided to rant anyway. Whatever.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Dark charcoal grey fabric with a texture like this;

If the trunks, cape, cowl, gloves and boots are black, they shouldn't stand out against the lighter areas as much as they do in the comics, which uses a lighter grey for contrast. So the trunks shouldn't be a problem.

That's a pretty cool design! Nolan would never use it though, but still cool for a future movie.

 

[Mister Meddle]

I wasn't a big fan of TDK costume due to 2 reasons. Number one, the emblem was barely noticeable. Say what you want about it but the emblem is definitely a trademark of the Batsuit that's not only essential (beyond recognition) but should be noticeable. Why so ashamed of it? After all, this is BATMAN we're talking about. Number two, the cowl looked solid on the BB suit but it looked VERY awkward on TDK. The thin neckguard made the shape of the helmet look awkward although it looked almost as thin as fabric (the neckguard). You're telling me that thicker material that's more protective can't more protective and flexible? I doubt Bruce Wayne is a costume designer.... who did he pay to have his cowl helmet modified? Why couldn't he pay this individual to at least straighten the ears to refrain from the awkward bubble head look?

Other than that the jigsaw costume doesn't bother me that much, if only they fix the other weaknesses to maintain the Batman look.

By the way, like Tim Burton said, Batman is definitely black. There is no question/s about it, he IS black. That is the color he was supposed to be in the comics. The Bat and Zorro weren't gray or blue.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Bill Finger disagrees with Batman being entirely black. He designed a grey batsuit with black cowl, cape, gloves, boots and underoos. And Bob Kane designed him with Superman's costume but without the \S/. So far, that is 100% of Batman's creators designing him not entirely black. Burton is the only person who has done that, and I really enjoy that Nolan used 85% grey for most of the suit.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Batman doesn't wear black. He wears Grey. If Bill Finger said so, it's grey. But I don't have a problem with black in the films, if it is done well

 

[Godzilla2014]

Batman doesn't wear black. He wears Grey. If Bill Finger said so, it's grey. But I don't have a problem with black in the films, if it is done well

To me, Batman wear gray and black or just black, not gray and blue.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

To me, Batman wear gray and black or just black, not gray and blue.

The blue was only ever to highlight the black, as the black ink had a tendency to run. Comics weren't even allowed to show the word FLICK because in big block letters, if the L and I were to run to each other, it would be rather unfortunate. Even though black can be highlighted with a 70% grey now, they tend to use blue as it is iconic now, but Bruce now has a black cape, boots and gloves now.