The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Mr. Earle]

No, they're both around 85% grey. He's both Batsuits under white light, with no filter.

They wanted to have a fully black suit but to do that they have to mix the colour with the molten rubber. The more colour they use the less durable the rubber becomes when its made into the suit, so they went as close to black as they could.

Under bright lights yeah the suits look kinda grey but in the movies they looked matte black.

 

[Godzilla2014]

It sure looks a lot better than a black rubber muscle suit.

This

Sure looks a lot better than this, imo...

Or this...

Or any other Batsuit from Hollywood (except for the Returns suit).

I disagree. Both the THE DARK KNIGHT and the BATMAN (1989) Batsuits look a lot better than that one.

Regardless of your original point, the bar is set where the director wants to set it. From then on i assume that there's a certain tone they need to stick to, i mean i dont expect to see boomtubes at this point, but i'm sure that Nolan could come up with some BS to justify even the grey suit with the black panties.

I mean people are already buying that the suit that allowed him to beat 4 ninjas and Ras himself is too heavy for him to deal with some lowly thugs.

"Three buttons is a little 90ies Mr Wayne."
"I need to be even faster. I got beat up by an old lady last night."
"Spandex suit Ross style it is then."

FANBOYS: OMG NOLAN IS A GENIUS. THE SPANDEX SUIT ROCKS. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT? ITS SO FAAAAAST AND REALISTIXORZS. IT HAS A PURPOSE THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME.

On the limitations of the suit in BATMAN BEGINS and its replacement in THE DARK KNIGHT, it wasn't because it was too heavy to deal with lowly thugs, it was because it limited his speed and mobility, as stated in the film. As for spandex, that wouldn't make sense. Batman needs some form of body armor, or he'd be dead without it. Even if you throw out the pursuit of plausibility, it wouldn't be in character for him to not wear body armor to protect himself from the bullets and knives he would face nightly.

But you re fine with the jigsaw pants?

Yes.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Once again-

Belly Button Showing = Invalid Batsuit

Sorry, but I wish people would stop posting that stupid thing. I'm more than open to a "cloth" suit, I just wish there were better examples to use as evidence.

Good examples of suits - Spider-Man, Superman, Fantastic Four.

Not good - Anything made by Sandy Collora or the like.

 

[Mr. Earle]

On the limitations of the suit in BATMAN BEGINS and its replacement in THE DARK KNIGHT, it wasn't because it was too heavy to deal with lowly thugs, it was because it limited his speed and mobility, as stated in the film.

If you re fast and mobile enough to take on 4 ninjas i doubt some thugs and a dog would make you realize that the suit is too heavy. It didnt occur to him while he was fighting i dunno... Bane or Deathstroke, but some random dudes.

As for spandex, that wouldn't make sense. Batman needs some form of body armor, or he'd be dead without it. Even if you throw out the pursuit of plausibility, it wouldn't be in character for him to not wear body armor to protect himself from the bullets and knives he would face nightly.

My point was that Nolan could sell the audience any BS just as long as its served with some pseudo realistic analysis. Look how you re buying that that Batman actually needed a faster suit. Nolan could sell Adam West's suit if he wanted to and most Nolanites would eat it up because of the explanation Nolan would give them.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I disagree. Both the THE DARK KNIGHT and the BATMAN (1989) Batsuits look a lot better than that one.



On the limitations of the suit in BATMAN BEGINS and its replacement in THE DARK KNIGHT, it wasn't because it was too heavy to deal with lowly thugs, it was because it limited his speed and mobility, as stated in the film. As for spandex, that wouldn't make sense. Batman needs some form of body armor, or he'd be dead without it. Even if you throw out the pursuit of plausibility, it wouldn't be in character for him to not wear body armor to protect himself from the bullets and knives he would face nightly.

In Bruce defence he's only been shot once and it was by a friend, when he wasn't trying to attack anyone. And we also don't know how the BS would be explained with the new suit. I'd bet if Nolan were to put it in a film people would buy it and the "teh reehulism" fans would be saying "huh, luk @ teh reehulisms, itts so obvyus". Most of what we've seen in the films is based on "teh BS" and a spandex suit can be too. Technological breakthroughs happen all the time and "teh reehulisms" dictate that to be a successful business they must happen at Wayne enterprises too.



Anywhoo, I hope we see a suit that is styled like the Begins batsuit with The Dark Knight's colour scheme and thickness, perhaps a bit thinner.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I simply dont get why Batman cant at least be armored Arkham Asylum style. Why does he have to look like that? What comic book is Nolan referrencing when he's giving us a Batman that looks more like Ironman with a rag hanging from his shoulders?

 

[antsman41]

TDK suit was perfect except for a few minor things;

-legs needed a little more work
-Begins logo needed
-cape come together in front
-gloves were a little wonky

 

[Godzilla2014]

Once again-

Belly Button Showing = Invalid Batsuit

Sorry, but I wish people would stop posting that stupid thing. I'm more than open to a "cloth" suit, I just wish there were better examples to use as evidence.

Good examples of suits - Spider-Man, Superman, Fantastic Four.

Not good - Anything made by Sandy Collora or the like.

Agreed.

If you re fast and mobile enough to take on 4 ninjas i doubt some thugs and a dog would make you realize that the suit is too heavy. It didnt occur to him while he was fighting i dunno... Bane or Deathstroke, but some random dudes.
My point was that Nolan could sell the audience any BS just as long as its served with some pseudo realistic analysis. Look how you re buying that that Batman actually needed a faster suit. Nolan could sell Adam West's suit if he wanted to and most Nolanites would eat it up because of the explanation Nolan would give them.

Ok. The difference between the BB suit and the TDK suit wouldn't be the same as the TDK suit and spandex. If it's got body armor, then it wouldn't be spandex alone (in the context of the movie) as you are saying by its nature, hence rendering the example invalid.

In Bruce defence he's only been shot once and it was by a friend, when he wasn't trying to attack anyone. And we also don't know how the BS would be explained with the new suit. I'd bet if Nolan were to put it in a film people would buy it and the "teh reehulism" fans would be saying "huh, luk @ teh reehulisms, itts so obvyus". Most of what we've seen in the films is based on "teh BS" and a spandex suit can be too. Technological breakthroughs happen all the time and "teh reehulisms" dictate that to be a successful business they must happen at Wayne enterprises too.



Anywhoo, I hope we see a suit that is styled like the Begins batsuit with The Dark Knight's colour scheme and thickness, perhaps a bit thinner.

I agree about technological breakthroughs. I think that, as Science Marches On, including body armor development, we will see more advanced armor in the Batman comics as well. It's only a matter of time until the line between the Batsuit and the Iron Man armor or Owlman's exoskeleton gets really blurry, especially with the development of mechanical exoskeleton approaching.

 

[Mako]

Once again-

Belly Button Showing = Invalid Batsuit

Sorry, but I wish people would stop posting that stupid thing. I'm more than open to a "cloth" suit, I just wish there were better examples to use as evidence.

Good examples of suits - Spider-Man, Superman, Fantastic Four.

Not good - Anything made by Sandy Collora or the like.

Agree with all of this.

 

[Godzilla2014]

TDK suit was perfect except for a few minor things;

-legs needed a little more work
-Begins logo needed
-cape come together in front
-gloves were a little wonky

I didn't think the gloves were wonky, and I don't really feel either way about the legs but I wouldn't mind if the cape were draped around Batman more often, and if the Bat-symbol was the size of that of the original BATMAN BEGINS Batsuit, but I don't necessarily want the same shape.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I agree about technological breakthroughs. I think that, as Science Marches On, including body armor development, we will see more advanced armor in the Batman comics as well. It's only a matter of time until the line between the Batsuit and the Iron Man armor or Owlman's exoskeleton gets really blurry, especially with the development of mechanical exoskeleton approaching.

I dont think that Batman doesnt use exoskeletons because they re not yet used in real life. Lots of people use them in the DCU and Batman refuses to do so because that simply isnt Batman. He's a ninja anyway, not Ironman with a cape.

Ok. The difference between the BB suit and the TDK suit wouldn't be the same as the TDK suit and spandex. If it's got body armor, then it wouldn't be spandex alone (in the context of the movie) as you are saying by its nature, hence rendering the example invalid.

Why are you taking this literally when its clearly an exaggeration about how powerful Nolan's realistic BS really is?

 

[Saint]

Ranting.

Okay, I give up.

 

[Saint]

Once again-

Belly Button Showing = Invalid Batsuit

Sorry, but I wish people would stop posting that stupid thing. I'm more than open to a "cloth" suit, I just wish there were better examples to use as evidence.

Good examples of suits - Spider-Man, Superman, Fantastic Four.

Not good - Anything made by Sandy Collora or the like.

Everything in this post is a fact.

 

[Swagger]

If you re fast and mobile enough to take on 4 ninjas i doubt some thugs and a dog would make you realize that the suit is too heavy. It didnt occur to him while he was fighting i dunno... Bane or Deathstroke, but some random dudes.
My point was that Nolan could sell the audience any BS just as long as its served with some pseudo realistic analysis. Look how you re buying that that Batman actually needed a faster suit. Nolan could sell Adam West's suit if he wanted to and most Nolanites would eat it up because of the explanation Nolan would give them.

You remind of the people who complain how two face died being tackled of the building where batman did not when he has a full body armor and that he lost his grip at the edge of the building. Batman wasn’t tackled off the building

Batman never said that he felt heavy when he fought the ninjas but it doesn’t mean that he did not feel that way. When you fight crime every day you make adjustments and he learn that the extra armored was not WORTH it. How is that so hard to comprehend? He gave up amore for more agility.

Just because it work for the Ninjas doesn’t mean he cant make improvements of it. I mean he wasn’t chasing any accelerating vans during 4 ninja battle.

 

[Swagger]

At of all the materials WHY SPANDAXE OR ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT? Lets have something similar to captain America

 

[craigdbfan]

This is one debate that never really has a concise resolution does it?

 

[Mako]

We could have the perfect Bat-suit and people would still complain, but I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

 

[craigdbfan]

Thats true Mako.

 

[JAK®]

I think suits from fan-made films should be discounted on the basis that they are from fan films, rather than the ideology and design choices behind them.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

It seems the same arguments have been had and they could and probably will go on forever. All that aside were all pretty much in agreement that we are going to get a new or updated suit in TDKR so I'm interested to know everyones thoughts on what we think Nolan and co have in store for us this time.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I dont think that Batman doesnt use exoskeletons because they re not yet used in real life. Lots of people use them in the DCU and Batman refuses to do so because that simply isnt Batman. He's a ninja anyway, not Ironman with a cape.

Ah yes, but Batman's tech has evolved over the years as real world technology has evolved. For example, the Batsuit originally had no armor, then Batman wore a bullet resistant vest underneath, then kevlar is built in under the Bat-symbol, and now the whole suit has bullet-resistant protection. As bullet-resistant materials get better in the real world, writers and artists will upgrade the Batsuit to use them. As for exoskeletons, that reasoning won't hold up if exoskeletons become widely accepted, because eventually, Batman would be hindering his own performance as a crimefighter. He sometimes already uses an armored mechanical exoskeleton, albeit for special purposes like fighting Kryptonians like Superman and General Zod or Wonder Woman, but it may become more accepted.

You remind of the people who complain how two face died being tackled of the building where batman did not when he has a full body armor and that he lost his grip at the edge of the building. Batman wasn’t tackled off the building

Batman never said that he felt heavy when he fought the ninjas but it doesn’t mean that he did not feel that way. When you fight crime every day you make adjustments and he learn that the extra armored was not WORTH it. How is that so hard to comprehend? He gave up amore for more agility.

Just because it work for the Ninjas doesn’t mean he cant make improvements of it. I mean he wasn’t chasing any accelerating vans during 4 ninja battle.

Agreed.

We could have the perfect Bat-suit and people would still complain, but I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

The way I see it is, quality is subjective. One man's perfection is another man's ********. There maybe a consensus, but a consensus doesn't make something fact. For example, most people love THE DARK KNIGHT, but some people hate it.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

When I've seen peole talk about mk II it seems to be the worst thing in the film. And so people know what the current batsuit is:

A layer of Kevlar, identical to Begins, before sprayed.
A layer of Nomex to protect from fire.
A carbon fibre chest plate under the symbol.


All the Nolanator would have to do is explain with real scientific techniques with his real BS techniques people would love it, for now, I'd prefer just a thinner sleeker Mk II.

 

[JBElliott]

It sure looks a lot better than a black rubber muscle suit.

This

Sure looks a lot better than this, imo...

Or this...

Or any other Batsuit from Hollywood (except for the Returns suit).

Well the top one looks more like Batman, that's for sure. That said, it could be better with a darker gray, more of a matte finish and a better belt.

That fan film usually have bat suits that look more like the comics which is a good thing. Unfortunately, the budget for the fan films is usually less than the cost of a single bat suit from the WB movies, so the production values can't be compared.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Movies is not like comics.

 

[JAK®]

Movies is not like comics.

Thanks for your input.