The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - - Part 58

[Stillsberry]

Another origin would be foolish

I think of Batman The Animated Series everytime this comes off. It started without introduction right into the stories. Spiderman could have done it, and I hope WB does it for Batman post Nolan.

 

[J.Howlett]

Just shoot me now....http://badassdigest.com/2012/04/17/up-for-discussion-the-avengers-vs-the-dark-knight-rises/

Okay WB, time to launch the campaign. The more fun argument, more colorful picture is killing me. Was Knight not a fun movie to watch back in '08?

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Honestly the only way for another series to measure up to the "completeness" this of this version is for a lot of time to pass. An established Batman seems like the only way to go at this point. I'd love to see a Bat-film with an established rogues gallery, where no one villain is marketed and any can pop up at any moment. Any attempt to re-tell the story from the beginning could be trouble (again, unless they actually waited a good ten years to reboot which won't happen). The alternative of bringing us into an established world where things are already in motion definitely has its own benefits and excitement about it though.

I agree partly.

But there always has to be focus on something or another to make it work.

And the Joker will always be one of the focuses.

I'd really like to see a Riddler work out as well.

I could see a big rouges gallery, like an Arkham City context, but I think, even coming in established, you have to build to that.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah, I do get that there would have to be a focus.

I guess I'm just saying it would be neat to allow for the possibility of surprise villain cameos, like a scene at the Iceberg Lounge with Penguin even if it's not a Penguin-centric story, etc.

Admittedly that's the fanboy in me talking, I'm not sure how realistic that is. But to capture that feeling of being a kid watching a toon/reading a comic with the notion that anything is possible on the big screen sounds pretty rad to me. And Nolan's series has done that in little ways too, with Zsasz and Scarecrow's cameo in TDK.

 

[Kane52630]

Okay WB, time to launch the campaign. The more fun argument, more colorful picture is killing me. Was Knight not a fun movie to watch back in '08?

It's Devin Faraci, nuff said.

 

[shauner111]

Another origin would be foolish

You're right. It would be. The best thing for them to do is start it off with a developed Batman. Early 30s, around the age he was in TDK. Don't copy Nolan, do their own thing. Visually it doesn't have to be a carbon copy of Nolans trilogy. Different Batsuit/Batmobile/Batcave. Reference his past but don't show it all, like Batman 89 or Forever is good enough. And don't rush into remaking The Joker/Two Face/Catwoman,etc. Start exploring the more sinister side to the villains that Nolan didn't bother with.

 

[mad-sci]

Okay WB, time to launch the campaign.

Completely pointless right now.

At the moment, the movie world is being bombarded from all angles with Avengers, at full capacity. It's the reason why its the most anticipated movie for men and so highly rated by women, according to that survey.

ANY marketing by WB now is a waste. After a couple more weeks, maybe.

Read this article from the Hollywood Reporter (100% legit source) about 3 things learned from the Pg13 rating -here:-

The rating means Dark Knight Rises is completely finished — sound and score included — more than three months before its July 20 release date. That’s an unusual accomplishment for an epic tentpole movie these days, most of which are finalized just weeks before their release. The Amazing Spider-Man, which opens July 2, doesn’t have a rating yet, nor does Prometheus, the Ridley Scott-directed sci-fi film set to open June 8. It also means the cut of the movie screened by Nolan for top Warners brass March 16 was far from a rough print and was close to his final version. The timeline highlights how efficient Nolan is as a filmmaker.

The early rating also fires the starter pistol for the most aggressive phase of Warners' marketing plan, according to sources. As a follow-up to a movie that grossed $1 billion worldwide, hit status for Rises seems inevitable. But Warners clearly isn’t leaving anything to chance: With three months to go and a ratings label in hand, the studio will be able to hone its message with laser-like focus. It also means Warners will be able to start screening the movie for tastemakers and critics. If it chooses to, of course. (UPDATE: Warners says Nolan could still make small technical tweaks to the movie, so it's not quite ready for screenings.)

 

[redfirebird2008]

Just shoot me now....http://badassdigest.com/2012/04/17/up-for-discussion-the-avengers-vs-the-dark-knight-rises/

Okay WB, time to launch the campaign. The more fun argument, more colorful picture is killing me. Was Knight not a fun movie to watch back in '08?

It was. Joker had people laughing a lot in theaters, but I've also noticed plenty of people say Iron Man is easier to rewatch. That's partially because TDK is over 2.5 hours, and it's partially because Iron Man doesn't have as dark of a tone.

WB is doing the smart thing by not wasting advertising dollars three months early when we're right in the middle of Disney's marketing onslaught for Avengers. Once Avengers comes out, WB is going to cram TDKR down the public's throat in the same way that Disney has been cramming Avengers down our throat recently.

 

[Nevincer]

The more fun argument, more colorful picture is killing me. Was Knight not a fun movie to watch back in '08?

I'm gonna get hell for this, but not really. Fun is the last reason I'd ever watch The Dark Knight, unless you mean the Joker in a somewhat twisted way.

 

[Boom]

Mad-sci is right. To go up against The Avengers' marketing right now would be foolish. At the end of the day, one of those films comes out in a matter of days, while the other is still several months off. There's nothing WB could do to shift focus off of The Avengers right now, so what would be the point?

 

[Jedm1991]

I'm gonna get hell for this, but not really. Fun is the last reason I'd ever watch The Dark Knight, unless you mean the Joker in a somewhat twisted way.

I agree, the movie isn't fun at all, there's a few tiny bits of humour but it stops there, to me a fun CBM is something like Iron Man, where story isn't really important, some nice CGI and some explosions and alot of laughs, TDK is the opposite.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Yeah, I do get that there would have to be a focus.

I guess I'm just saying it would be neat to allow for the possibility of surprise villain cameos, like a scene at the Iceberg Lounge with Penguin even if it's not a Penguin-centric story, etc.

Admittedly that's the fanboy in me talking, I'm not sure how realistic that is. But to capture that feeling of being a kid watching a toon/reading a comic with the notion that anything is possible on the big screen sounds pretty rad to me. And Nolan's series has done that in little ways too, with Zsasz and Scarecrow's cameo in TDK.

I get that. I believe there could be a two, main villain story (like TDK) but also throw in someone like Calender Man or Zasz that just get in the way and frustrates Batman but he takes them down in no time.

If I had my way, it'd be four films.

I'd make the first movie someone different than the Joker, have the Joker be the focus in the second movie and locked away at the end, then the third would be Riddler and I'd make him nothing like the Joker, because, I don't think he is at all. Robin would also be introduced and the film would maybe set up Hush. For the final fourth film, Joker would be released and Batman and Robin will have to face Joker, Hush and random rogues gallery villains.

You're right. It would be. The best thing for them to do is start it off with a developed Batman. Early 30s, around the age he was in TDK. Don't copy Nolan, do their own thing. Visually it doesn't have to be a carbon copy of Nolans trilogy. Different Batsuit/Batmobile/Batcave. Reference his past but don't show it all, like Batman 89 or Forever is good enough. And don't rush into remaking The Joker/Two Face/Catwoman,etc. Start exploring the more sinister side to the villains that Nolan didn't bother with.

That also brings up interesting questions.

Would all of you guys want the franchise to go in a way more fantastical direction to make room for Croc and Clayface etc. or see what we can do with this more reality based world?

What about the new Court of Owls storyline in the comics, what about those baddies?

 

[Kane52630]

Like I and many other people said before, this month is either the first month of heavy TDKR marketing or the last month... and it looks to be the last month before the marketing machine starts rolling.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Like I and many other people said before, this month is either the first month of heavy TDKR marketing or the last month... and it looks to be the last month before the marketing machine starts rolling.

Yeah, everyone should just be patient with the marketing. If Inception's campaign is any indicator, the marketing will get to a point of being insufferable.

 

[J.Howlett]

It was. Joker had people laughing a lot in theaters, but I've also noticed plenty of people say Iron Man is easier to rewatch. That's partially because TDK is over 2.5 hours, and it's partially because Iron Man doesn't have as dark of a tone.

WB is doing the smart thing by not wasting advertising dollars three months early when we're right in the middle of Disney's marketing onslaught for Avengers. Once Avengers comes out, WB is going to cram TDKR down the public's throat in the same way that Disney has been cramming Avengers down our throat recently.

Oh I know you're right. It'll begin the week of Dark Shadows. Still, it's just a tad frustrating. It feels like it's been ages.

 

[J.Howlett]

Yeah, everyone should just be patient with the marketing. If Inception's campaign is any indicator, the marketing will get to a point of being insufferable.

It wasn't that bad....

 

[Boom]

That's why these articles on which films are more anticipated are ridiculous. Anticipation levels shift constantly, depending on how close you are to a film's release.

The Avengers having more anticipation behind it right now is anything but surprising.

 

[Stillsberry]

Uh oh, everybody read this yet? http://t.co/XpTiY8t1
It doesn't worry me, I think WB is doing this on purpose, there's still time.

 

[redfirebird2008]

It wasn't that bad....

I enjoyed it myself, I'm just saying it was EVERYWHERE. They flooded the hell out of the airwaves with ads for it. Harry Potter also had a ton of advertising last year, and that movie literally was the safest bet they've ever had at the studio. Yet they still went nuts with the marketing campaign. "It all ends." Based on TDKR's early marketing, I expect a ton of TV ads about how the "legend ends" blah blah blah. Unlike Potter, they've had a 4 year gap and they do need to remind the public, so they have no reason to hold back. If they were going to skimp on marketing for any movie, it would be the final Harry Potter.

 

[slimshady247]

Scott Snyder writing a Batman screenplay and/or having his stories adapted by someone else won't happen because then the world will implode from its awesomeness.

Anyway, this poll is extremely biased and very stupid in that, as others have pointed out, we're in the middle of a marketing onslaught for The Avengers. Right after Avengers comes out, you can be sure that WB will step up their game and ramp up the anticipation for TDKR. Hell, we might get a trailer attached to Avengers.

 

[J.Howlett]

I enjoyed it myself, I'm just saying it was EVERYWHERE. They flooded the hell out of the airwaves with ads for it. Harry Potter also had a ton of advertising last year, and that movie literally was the safest bet they've ever had at the studio. Yet they still went nuts with the marketing campaign. "It all ends." Based on TDKR's early marketing, I expect a ton of TV ads about how the "legend ends" blah blah blah. Unlike Potter, they've had a 4 year gap and they do need to remind the public, so they have no reason to hold back. If they were going to skimp on marketing for any movie, it would be the final Harry Potter.

Too true.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Why should anyone be worried? Will a country of people perish if TDKR doesn't make more money than Avengers? What's the point of this competition? Even so, I wouldn't be worried... I'm pretty certain that TDKR will outperform The Avengers both financially and critically.

This a thousand percent.

I don't give a **** if I'm the only one who sees it on opening day or If Spider-Man does better or Avengers blows them out of the water. I WANT TO SEE IT.

Although I'm fairly confident that TDKR will be very, very successful and leaves us all talking for a long time.

 

[floreairfoot]

I'm gonna get hell for this, but not really. Fun is the last reason I'd ever watch The Dark Knight, unless you mean the Joker in a somewhat twisted way.

As the Joker came out of the hospital in that nurse outfit, I lol'd briefly, it just caught me off guard.

I felt bad because it was such a serious time.

 

[J.Howlett]

I guess what got me about the article is this notion that since Knight hit in '08, we've had nothing but realism/gritty comic book films, which is so far from the truth.

Besides Watchmen in '09, name the other dark and gritty/realism comic book movies that we really successful?

I can't think of any. If anything, since Knight, everyone's gone the OTHER way tonally.

 

[Nevincer]

As the Joker came out of the hospital in that nurse outfit, I lol'd briefly, it just caught me off guard.

I felt bad because it was such a serious time.

Lol, yeah, I'm sure many felt the same way.