The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE)

[Tacit Ronin]

When TDK came out I doubt anyone was really complaining that they couldn't see Gambol's friends dying because the scene is filled of tension between Joker and Gambol..you know...the main characters of the scene?

Gambols men die before their confrontation. So the scene, however briefly, still rests with them. Nolan confirms my theory because the camera is indeed on them before their demise. And then Nolan proceeds to give Joker Rogue like powers as they drop to their death from a light touch from him. That is a textbook example of bad directing.

However, to Nolan's credit, it's bad directing not from incompetence but to preserve a PG13 rating.

 

[Nevincer]

That's why this place is turning into a garbage-dump.

If that's how you feel, you registered at an odd time

It'll pick up when there's some news.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Nolan's lack of skill, uh-huh. That explains why he was shortlisted by the Directors Guild of America - because of his lack of skill. The kind of inane arguments people resort to to defend their silly positions...

Because being nominated in DGA means he can't be prone to making bad directing choices now and then? Please address the points yourself rather then using other people to do it.

 

[The_Raganork]

Gambols men die before their confrontation. So the scene, however briefly, still rests with them. Nolan confirms my theory because the camera is indeed on them before their demise. And then Nolan proceeds to give Joker Rogue like powers as they drop to their from a light touch from him. That is a textbook example of bad directing.

However, to Nolan's credit, it's bad directing not from incompetence but to preserve a PG13 rating.

It's such an unimportant piece of the puzzle. I can't tell you to not be hung up over it but when I watch that scene that's never where my focus is, it's on Joker still being alive and then the incredible monologue Joker has.

It's really easy to pick out one or two details that aren't fantastic in a film that's over two and a half hours long. But there's plenty good about TDK, it's funny that on this forum what I see mentioned most about TDK is the bad choreography in the Hong Kong scene and what I see mentioned least is the fantastic last half hour.

Nolan sucks as an editor! Point to the truck chase; forget the entire whole of BB beginning and it's non-linear approach.

Nolan can't shoot action! Point to Hong Kong; forget the tension, drama and fun in the Batpod, Joker showdown.

I know Nolan is not God but, it seems a lot of people work overtime to discredit his body of work (especially with the Batman films) as astoundingly good pieces, here and I really don't know why.

I watched TDK a month or two ago and still loved it, it has errors, yes but every film has errors. It's the, sometimes, minute scale of these errors and the sheer joy of the things that work out wonderfully that make the film. If I took as critical eye as some of you here I wouldn't like ANY film.

 

[Anjow1060]

Wait wait wait, what are we complaining about now with the Joker?

-Jow

 

[Yurka]

That's why this place is turning into a garbage-dump.

Turning?

My friend, this place has been a ****-hole for the better part of 3 years.

 

[Nevincer]

Wait wait wait, what are we complaining about now with the Joker?

-Jow

I'm not sure, but it's pretty boring.

 

[The_Raganork]

Turning?

My friend, this place has been a ****-hole for the better part of 3 years.

it's TDK and Nolan's fault!

He doesn't understand the fans and turned us this way!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Oh man, I sincerely hope these people have never criticized films that have guild and Academy noms. don't want to come across as major hypocrites.

 

[Nevincer]

it's TDK and Nolan's fault!

He doesn't understand the fans and turned us this way!

Nolan should be fired right this minute, and this franchise should be put into better hands

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Hey Soup, do you like Avatar?

 

[Ant-LOX]

Well, we have to over-analyze the film because of lack of news about the new one. And what better way to look forward to the new on, then by ripping apart the old one.

I watch TDK a few times a month actually. It's my #1 film.

I don't mind pointing out its "flaws" with fans, but it's clear some people do not like nolan or Batman at all, and I can't answer for those people - they just like being Negative.


Side Note: The Chairs in Harvey Dent's office are the same ones at my job's break room, so I can't really escape thoughts of TDK even if I tried.

 

[Anjow1060]

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- Jow

 

[The_Raganork]

Well, we have to over-analyze the film because of lack of news about the new one. And what better way to look forward to the new on, then by ripping apart the old one.

you know you don't have to post, right?

 

[Yurka]

it's TDK and Nolan's fault!

He doesn't understand the fans and turned us this way!

Let's march to Hollywood and drag him from his home!

Seriously though, damn the hedonic treadmill tendency in our culture. We got possibly the best Batman film we may ever get and we still aren't happy.

I'm curious to think what this place would have been like if it were around after Batman and Robin, I imagine it would either be the most hate-filled anti-schumacher rage-fest, or completely quiet and docile since everyone was so appalled with that film they couldn't muster the energy to give it more attention.

We're getting another Nolan-Batman film in 3 months. The last of a trilogy. Life is good right now.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

No, I'm not a "Cameronite"... not butt hurt over the bashing of my "favourite" sci-fi movie in these forums, if that's what you're implying. Just pointing out the idiocy of many posters in these forums.

No. I am simply asking if you like Avatar and if not have you ever criticized it?

 

[Fenrir]

Because being nominated in DGA means he can't be prone to making bad directing choices now and then? Please address the points yourself rather then using other people to do it.

Again your argument is all over the place. First you say it was because of his "lack of skill". I point out that a director who lacks skill does not make a cut amongst the DGA finalists. Then you say it is a bad directing choice, but then how does that necessarily equate to a lack of skill? Making a bad call does not make you incompetent, which is what is meant by someone lacking skills. Think before you throw around dimwitted arguments like that.

 

[Nevincer]

...............

- Jow

Told ya as much.

 

[Ant-LOX]

Yeah, I don't have to post, but I enjoy spirited talk, so i jump in when I can.

TDK is related to TDKR, in some sort of way, so it makes sense.

That is what forums are for. Right?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Lack of skill in particular areas. Bad directing choices in particular scenes. The two aren't mutually exclusive. It's not rocket science.

 

[Fenrir]

That award process is ridiculously political in nature. That is to say, much like our government elections, the person who wins is not necessarily the person who has the most talent or produces the best work. No, rather the person who wins simply had the right muscle (financial, influence, etc.) backing them up.

Put another way, if you trust them over this then you must trust them when they chose to exclude TDK from best picture consideration and put forth Weinstein's the Reader instead.

You might say that about the Oscars, but if the BAFTAS, the DGA and the American Editors Society also see eye to eye on this, then I believe the merit is genuine. When films like The Reader that did not accumulate a fraction of the awards and critical acclaim that TDK did and still end up amongst the finalists, that is when you can say that there was a lot of shady lobbying involved.

 

[Fenrir]

Lack of skill in particular areas. Bad directing choices in particular scenes. The two aren't mutually exclusive. It's not rocket science.

Again, forgive me if you lob you in with the armchair critics who have no idea what they are talking about. I trust the professionals to know more about what constitutes lack of skill or bad directing choices and not select someone guilty of both in their years-best lists, especially when there are so many talented people out there in contention.

 

[Ant-LOX]

When a film gets as big as Avatar, I remove myself from the hype, wait a few years and see it without the hype around it.

That doesn't apply to a Batman film, because Batman is my #1.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Again, forgive me if you lob you in with the armchair critics who have no idea what they are talking about. I trust the professionals to know more about what constitutes lack of skill or bad directing choices and not select someone guilty of both in their years-best lists, especially when there are so many talented people out there in contention.

I don't lob in with anybody. There are things that bother me in these films and I express what and how as I see it.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Nolan should be fired right this minute, and this franchise should be put into better hands

Give the franchise to me. I'll show everybody how it's done.