The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE)

[AnneFan]

I can't wait to read what the gotham times has to tell about the caped crusader. Maybe Bane announces he will break him, like Joker announced Mayor Garcia's death in TDK ^^

I don't think he will announce anything, but just go out and do it.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

This will be an emotional movie. Bane will have complete control, Batman is nowhere to be found. Then he "Rises" and takes Gotham back. Now that's epic.

So it's going to The Lion King? Maybe Bane shot uncle Ben Bruce's parents.

 

[Naked Shia]

I don't think he will announce anything, but just go out and do it.

I was joking with the gotham times stuff , but on the other hand, he announces his intentions in Vengeance Of Bane, and his ego might be big enough for him to claim his will to break the Bat before attacking. (I don't think he will in the movie, but who knows?)

 

[AnneFan]

he announces his intentions in Vengeance Of Bane

He does warn Batman, but that's one on one, contained to them both. I think the media will report the goings on like the stock exchange raid, but will be on the back foot and reactionary to it all, like everything else.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I officially love all the pictures...

The Bale/Freeman one made me feel all fuzzy inside.

 

[Doctor Who]

He does warn Batman, but that's one on one, contained to them both. I think the media will report the goings on like the stock exchange raid, but will be on the back foot and reactionary to it all, like everything else.

What's impressive about Bane is that we're getting the definition of Bane as a Tactical Mastermind. Like a terrorist, he's hitting all of Gotham's weaknesses and is exploiting the very worse: he's a walking Hot & Cold War.

So far from my observation he's:

-Proven a threat to National Security for hijacking a plane and destroying it with passengers on board (not much to the effect of what I'm saying, but it plays along naturally)
-Somehow get's a hold and effects the Gotham Stock exchange (Economics)
-Exploits Harvey Dent's TRUE exploits to the public (Blackmail on Batman and Gordon/GPD)
-Manages to get a hold of such a deadly device that it blows up an ENTIRE football field
-Executes people in broad day light
-Manages to break into Wayne Enterprises and steals various Tumbler models (my guess with the help of Talia; possibly helps Bane get into the Stock Exchange as well, if run by Wayne Enterprises)
-And at last, gets into a show down with Batman to the degree of crippling him so that he can no longer be able to wear the cape and cowl again; and quite possibly sends him away and out of Gotham

The madman has practically planned out a full on WAR in Gotham: he's ruled out key people like Gordon and Batman who'll get in his way; exploited truths on Harvey Dent that makes the people of Gotham turn on higher authorities and loose faith because of a lie; pulverizes the stock exchange where money might as well be useless to everyone; and terrorizes the city after this madness by complete and utter destruction and death.

WE. ARE. *****ED. Don't know how Batman's going to win this one, seriously... can't stress it ENOUGH!

 

[OutOfBoose]

Great observation. I wonder what can Catwoman give us to steal the show from that amazing list? Because rumors claimed that she can be in the same league with The Joker.

 

[Norek]

What's impressive about Bane is that we're getting the definition of Bane as a Tactical Mastermind. Like a terrorist, he's hitting all of Gotham's weaknesses and is exploiting the very worse: he's a walking Hot & Cold War.

So far from my observation he's:

-Proven a threat to National Security for hijacking a plane and destroying it with passengers on board (not much to the effect of what I'm saying, but it plays along naturally)
-Somehow get's a hold and effects the Gotham Stock exchange (Economics)
-Exploits Harvey Dent's TRUE exploits to the public (Blackmail on Batman and Gordon/GPD)
-Manages to get a hold of such a deadly device that it blows up an ENTIRE football field
-Executes people in broad day light
-Manages to break into Wayne Enterprises and steals various Tumbler models (my guess with the help of Talia; possibly helps Bane get into the Stock Exchange as well, if run by Wayne Enterprises)
-And at last, gets into a show down with Batman to the degree of crippling him so that he can no longer be able to wear the cape and cowl again; and quite possibly sends him away and out of Gotham

The madman has practically planned out a full on WAR in Gotham: he's ruled out key people like Gordon and Batman who'll get in his way; exploited truths on Harvey Dent that makes the people of Gotham turn on higher authorities and loose faith because of a lie; pulverizes the stock exchange where money might as well be useless to everyone; and terrorizes the city after this madness by complete and utter destruction and death.

WE. ARE. *****ED. Don't know how Batman's going to win this one, seriously... can't stress it ENOUGH!

Wow...

I never fully realized just how much of a threat he is until you listed those out. He's x2 the threat the Joker was.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

@Doctor Who

Nice analysis. Bane is gonna be one hell of a troublemaker, which is a colossal understatement. Whoa.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I can't say anything, but I was in THIS scene...

That is so ace!

You've also seen this location as the main headquarters in 'In Time.' I guess that's not really a spoiler. But, for those guys looking for information that should suffice. Don't ask anything beyond that. The closer we get, the more of this scene they show, I could provide more behind the scenes information.

Oh, one more thing that doesn't breach contract - this scene? Filmed with IMAX camera.

You got to experience the bossness that is Tom Hardy's Bane, IN PERSON!

I applaud you.

 

[J.Howlett]

The EW article is pretty good so far.

 

[mackblack01]

Transcript?

 

[J.Howlett]

"The Joker didn't care-he just wanted to see the world burn, and he was a master of chaos and destruction, unscrupulous and crazy. Bane is not that guy. There's a very meticulous and calculated way about Bane. There is a huge orchestration of organization to his ambition."

-Tom Hardy

Anne Hathaway's blunder as she went into a meeting with Nolan;

"She convinced herself that Nolan wasn't interested in reinterpreting a character who had already been done well enough (Hathaway loves Pfiefer's Catwoman) and was instead casting a lesser-known villainess from Batman's rogue's gallery named Harley Quinn. Nope. "About an hour into our meeting he said, 'It's Catwoman and I went 'Oh no, I played this wrong' says Hathaway. "I didn't think they would revisit that character because Michelle's performance is so iconic. But Chris just does his own thing"

Anne Hathaway.

 

[J.Howlett]

"He has created an epic disaster film."

-Anne Hathaway.

Rises is set eight years after the events of the Dark Knight. Gotham City is at peace and prospering, but Bruce Wayne is still recovering physically and emotionally from the tragic battles with the Joker and Harvey Dent. Batman, who took the fall for Harvey's crimes so Gotham could remain inspired by the lawman's former idealism, continues to be reviled and MIA as the story begins. While old allies Alfred and Lucius Fox and potential love interest Miranda Tate try to revive Bruce's spirits, two new threats to Gotham force Batman to end his exile."

 

[J.Howlett]

"Bane's motivation as a villain remains one of Rises' best kept secrets-although the trailers suggest his master plan requires the razing of Gotham and the death of Bruce Wayne. Does Bane represent a specific political or philosophical complaint? The answer is...maybe. "I think the politics of the film are going to be hotly debated one way or another, as they were in the last film," says Nolan."

 

[Naked Shia]

So has Batman been missing in Action for the last eight years, or less?

 

[SpideyFan866]

"He has created an epic disaster film."

-Anne Hathaway.

Rises is set eight years after the events of the Dark Knight. Gotham City is at peace and prospering, but Bruce Wayne is still recovering physically and emotionally from the tragic battles with the Joker and Harvey Dent. Batman, who took the fall for Harvey's crimes so Gotham could remain inspired by the lawman's former idealism, continues to be reviled and MIA as the story begins. While old allies Alfred and Lucius Fox and potential love interest Miranda Tate try to revive Bruce's spirits, two new threats to Gotham force Batman to end his exile."

I guess this all but proves that Bruce was not Batman during the 8 year gap.

 

[SpideyFan866]

"The Joker didn't care-he just wanted to see the world burn, and he was a master of chaos and destruction, unscrupulous and crazy. Bane is not that guy. There's a very meticulous and calculated way about Bane. There is a huge orchestration of organization to his ambition."

-Tom Hardy

Anne Hathaway's blunder as she went into a meeting with Nolan;

"She convinced herself that Nolan wasn't interested in reinterpreting a character who had already been done well enough (Hathaway loves Pfiefer's Catwoman) and was instead casting a lesser-known villainess from Batman's rogue's gallery named Harley Quinn. Nope. "About an hour into our meeting he said, 'It's Catwoman and I went 'Oh no, I played this wrong' says Hathaway. "I didn't think they would revisit that character because Michelle's performance is so iconic. But Chris just does his own thing"

Anne Hathaway.

LOL. Talk about an F' up on the part of Hathaway. I would've like to see how Nolan interpreted Harley Quinn though.

 

[J.Howlett]

Here's the money quote.

"There has never been an explicitly detailed, throughly mapped-out master plan guiding Nolan's Batman franchise. "The approach has always been to put every damn good idea you have into each movie, so that when you're done, you feel like there's nothing left", says co-screenwriter Jonathan Nolan. However, the director has always aspired to create a unified trilogy with a continuous character arc for Bruce Wayne, and one detail has been in place for years. "From a fairly early stage in the process of making the three films,' says Christopher Nolan, 'we knew how Bruce's story would end."

"And so Rises was conceived and written to bring a sense of unity-and finality-to the whole franchise. "It stands alone, yet completes a cyclical work," says Hardy. "Think triplets instead of one child after another-the Dark Knight triplets."

 

[kvz5]

They mention Tate but showed no pic of her?

Thanks for posting the quotes!

 

[Pagan]

Wow...

I never fully realized just how much of a threat he is until you listed those out. He's x2 the threat the Joker was.

he never even mentioned his raising of an insurgent army and seizing control of huge chunks of the city and occupying them. blocking off tunnels and bridges. Capturing all of Gotham's wealthy and imprisoning them,holding mock trials.

 

[J.Howlett]

"Listening to Team Nolan talk about the film, you find yourself wondering: 'Will Batman actually survive till the end credits?"...."We wanted to show a character who is aging, who is damaged, who may not be in his prime," says Bale. "He has never encountered anyone with such blunt force as Bane, and this is not the best time for him to encounter him."

 

[kvz5]

"Listening to Team Nolan talk about the film, you find yourself wondering: 'Will Batman actually survive till the end credits?"...."We wanted to show a character who is aging, who is damaged, who may not be in his prime," says Bale. "He has never encountered anyone with such blunt force as Bane, and this is not the best time for him to encounter him."

Batman!

 

[AnneFan]

LOL. Talk about an F' up on the part of Hathaway. I would've like to see how Nolan interpreted Harley Quinn though.

Well, she didn't have any context it seems. Everybody can be wise after the event. For example people on here thought Hardy was going to be Hugo Strange.

If anything its just showing genuine respect to Michelle, a performance I like as well.

 

[J.Howlett]

Nolan says that he's naturally drawn to Batman's more iconic villains-as long as they can live credibly within his more realistic neo-noir treatment of Gotham...Hence Catwoman was irresistible to Nolan both because of her pop culture stature and the fact that the crafty cat burglar is Batman's earthiest of baddies. That said Nolan's Selina Kyle is presented as an enigma, maybe even to herself."

"Who is Selina Kyle? She's someone who wants you to think she can answer that question."