The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 105

[TinkerTailor]

It could be a death that mirrors Ra's Al Ghul. BAne does something stupid that damages his mask or makes vulnerable his mask then gets broken causing a rage/pain fight against Batman. The Bane is left weak and will die. So Batman has another "I don't have to kill but I don't have to save you either" moment.

"Killing is making a choice."

 

[kthevs]

Why? I'm not overly fond of it but I think people are exaggerating a tad.

The falafel guy should take over as Gotham's savior.

 

[Jedm1991]

Bruce is Batman for all the wrong reasons.

Blake would be "Batman" for all the right reasons.

People are acting like it would be the worst ending ever.

 

[Sharkboy]

Him taking the mantle? No. Him actually becoming full costume Batman? Very likely. Blake deciding to protect Gotham fits in with the trilogy as the point of Batman for Bruce is to inspire the people of Gotham so that makes perfect sense. Becoming Batman is just stupid and doesn't fit in the beginning of TDK.

Oh you mean something like Blake taking Gordons job years later...sure. Him becoming a crimefighter is very very stupid. It implies that Bruce leaves a crime ridden gotham to live a normal life, which spits on any iteration of his character.

Besides Blake isn't a ninja, he's a beat cop, he wouldn't last an hour.

 

[DarthBatman]

So would it be totatlly crazy to think batman actually kills bane? the first person he breaks his rule for? I know it sounds crazy but your talking about a villain more calculating and deadly than any villain he has faced before maybe he has to break his rule to defeat bane.

 

[Jedm1991]

So would it be totatlly crazy to think batman actually kills bane? the first person he breaks his rule for? I know it sounds crazy but your talking about a villain more calculating and deadly than any villain he has faced before maybe he has to break his rule to defeat bane.

Harvey Dent says hi.

 

[DarthBatman]

do you consider Harvey Dents death batmans doing though? to me I never saw it as someone he intended on killing.

 

[Deserana]

Bruce is Batman for all the wrong reasons.

Blake would be "Batman" for all the right reasons.

People are acting like it would be the worst ending ever.

Blake becoming inspired as Gotham cop by Batman who then decides to look over Gotham like Gordon - Fine.

Blake actually pshysically becoming Batman - Meh. Not my favourite but I'll wait and see it in context and the way they excute it. Bruce has the stealthy and fighting skills to pull it off. Blake doesn't (doesn't mean he wont get trained by Bruce).

 

[Jedm1991]

do you consider Harvey Dents death batmans doing though? to me I never saw it as someone he intended on killing.

It was the right thing to do but it was so obvious how close to the edge of the building he was when he lunged for Dent, it must have crossed his mind in the split second he had to make the decision.

 

[Nevincer]

I don't feel the Harvey Dent kill really counts as breaking the rule, as I doubt Batman had the intention of killing him. It was a very spur of the moment thing in order to save a child.

 

[DarthBatman]

Yeah me too to me I just would not feel satisifed with catwoman killing bane nor Talia to me it has to either be Batman or it has to be a death like in BB with Ras but it is hard to say how it will play out.

 

[Sharkboy]

Why? I'm not overly fond of it but I think people are exaggerating a tad.

This war against crime, this personal vendetta, it's far more than him getting over his parents. He wants to follow in his fathers footsteps, he knows ra's had the right idea at first, It's not about vengence anymore (this is explain in BB) it's about saving gotham city just like Thomas and Ra's wanted to do. As long as Gotham needs a batman, he will be batman, the only way he willingly stops is if Gotham doesn't need him anymore. He won't leave a gotham that needs him...certainly not to someone else. What will he do then? Go off and make babies with Selina, while crime continues to run rampant? "oh its ok, i don't need batman anymore, I'm over it, blake can deal with that mess now"

If he goes out alive or dead, we will leave gotham a much much better place than we saw it where men like gordon and blake (as a cop) can easily manage whatever goes wrong.

 

[Cassandra Cain]

Totally off topic, but holy crap this is too funny:

[YT]CIaWo-BlBjs[/YT]

 

[Deserana]

Totally off topic, but holy crap this is too funny:

[YT]CIaWo-BlBjs[/YT]

Yeah I posted it earlier (hence the avvy) its hilarious!!! t:t:

 

[TheNextNolan22]

This war against crime, this personal vendetta, it's far more than him getting over his parents. He wants to follow in his fathers footsteps, he knows ra's had the right idea at first, It's not about vengence anymore (this is explain in BB) it's about saving gotham city just like Thomas and Ra's wanted to do. As long as Gotham needs a batman, he will be batman, the only way he willingly stops is if Gotham doesn't need him anymore. He won't leave a gotham that needs him...certainly not to someone else. What will he do then? Go off and make babies with Selina, while crime continues to run rampant? "oh its ok, i don't need batman anymore, I'm over it, blake can deal with that mess now"

If he goes out alive or dead, we will leave gotham a much much better place than we saw it where men like gordon and blake (as a cop) can easily manage whatever goes wrong.

 

[Sharkboy]

If Batman didn't break his rule for joker, i doubt he'd break it for anyone at this point, I think TDK explored and answered that so it doesn't really need to be delved into too much in TDKR. Especially if Bane doesn't kill Batman, it's more of a humilation/better man type deal between the both of them, it's not who can kill who, it's who can beat the other. The only way Batman is truly getting rid of bane is to defeat him with his fists and brains.

Catwoman on the other hand....

 

[Nevincer]

Bruce is Batman for all the wrong reasons.

Blake would be "Batman" for all the right reasons.

People are acting like it would be the worst ending ever.

That's what I'm thinking... I don't see Bruce inspiring someone into similar theatrics as not being true to the trilogy themes. Would it be good if he could find another way, where people who don't go outside the law fend for the city? Sure. Doesn't make the other possibility ridiculous, though.

 

[TinkerTailor]

Yeah me too to me I just would not feel satisifed with catwoman killing bane nor Talia to me it has to either be Batman or it has to be a death like in BB with Ras but it is hard to say how it will play out.

But he still made a conscious decision to not save Ra's in BB, so although the machinations of what happened weren't put in place by Bruce, he still had a hand in the end result. His instinctive saving of The Joker in TDK represented a step forward for the character in terms of a strengthening of his principles. For him to return to the attitude of "Oh, it's nothing to do with me, mate" would be a step back for me.

 

[The Batman]

Ooooh The Batman would not like that ending at all

Oh, Mr. Napier, you know me so well.

"Man Selina, you totally stole my momma's necklace, led me to the worst ass whooping i ever got in my life, and you're generally a shady and untrustworthy woman. I wanna spend the rest of my life with you."

Completely agree!!!! If Jonathon Nolan is as big a Catwoman fan as Empire and other interviews have made out then IMO he wouldn't give Selina and Bruce a proper finalised romance as thats not their character. The relationship is meant to be on and off just a big tease.

You, IMO, get the relationship between Bruce and Selina.

 

[Rogzilla]

I don't feel the Harvey Dent kill really counts as breaking the rule, as I doubt Batman had the intention of killing him. It was a very spur of the moment thing in order to save a child.

I think it does because that was the whole point of the film. What would it take to make Batman break his rule? Everything he went through, all the extremes he had done to capture the Joker, he ultimately made the choice.

Also, boy, this is the first time I've logged in for a while. THE POWER OF THE BAT!

 

[TinkerTailor]

Oh, Mr. Napier, you know me so well.

"Man Selina, you totally stole my momma's necklace, led me to the worst ass whooping i ever got in my life, and you're generally a shady and untrustworthy woman. I wanna spend the rest of my life with you."

She's definitely one of those 'treat them mean, keep them keen' sorts.

 

[DarthBatman]

But he still made a conscious decision to not save Ra's in BB, so although the machinations of what happened weren't put in place by Bruce, he still had a hand in the end result. His instinctive saving of The Joker in TDK represented a step forward for the character in terms of a strengthening of his principles. For him to return to the attitude of "Oh, it's nothing to do with me, mate" would be a step back for me.

You have a very good point there so at this point does he try to convince Bane to stop or does he let others stop Bane. I just think if the death toll is as high as it seems and it effects Batman enough he will come close to that point like he did in TDK after finding out Rachel kidnapped. If Blake makes it through the whole movie a death from Blake would be a good way to go as he would be the sign of the new gotham cleaning up the streets without batman, maybe a death by Blake would be a good way to go.

 

[Jedm1991]

That's what I'm thinking... I don't see Bruce inspiring someone into similar theatrics as not being true to the trilogy themes. Would it be good if he could find another way, where people who don't go outside the law fend for the city? Sure. Doesn't make the other possibility ridiculous, though.

I think the beginning of TDK says alot, where the guys are too scared to deal drugs incase Batman comes along, people say about Blake not having the fighting skills to be Batman, but they're missing the point that Batman is a symbol, his presence is enough to detur the majority of crime, helped by rumours among the criminal underworld etc.

 

[Nevincer]

@ Sharkboy
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't find Rocketman's ending true at all, makes Bruce seem selfish if he's still alive and leaves things in Blake's hands. I was more speaking along the lines of Bruce dying, or being unable to be Batman, by the end. In that respect I think someone taking over his work would be a plausibility, and certainly a spin on the whole never ending cycle of comic Batman (a parallel to Begins Ra's, too) without straying too far from reality.

 

[Deserana]

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