The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - Part 16

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I just can't feel that it'll justify DC just not giving a **** about it's other heroes. It certainly doesn't seem Batman is going to help bring smaller heroes to the screen like Iron Man did.

The issue isn't with DC, it's with WB.

WB is solely focused on Batman & Superman because they're the money makers. Bats and Supes are the most recognizable superheroes on the planet, and WB is aware of it -- they don't have to take huge risks to rake in cash. And that's the problem.
 
Forget if Avengers is better, I'm guessing if TDKR makes under 800 mil people will be ****ing murdered.

It can make $100 million and I wouldn't care so long as the film is critically acclaimed, Tom Hardy/Bane destroys Batman, Christian Bale/Batman makes a triumphant return, Etc.
 
I think the reason for the trailer looking like that was to appeal to people who liked mindless action, saving the story explanation for the next trailer. Disney's clever with their marketing. I mean, they got Pirates 3 to make tons of money. Hell, even Cars 2 made 550 mil, and it's considered Pixar's worst movie.

Totally agree with you here. The reason it doesn't appeal to me is because I'm not that kind of viewer. Story trumps all for me, so when I saw the trailer I thought: "Wow...Scarlett Johanssen AGAIN looks like she's farting flames"

I lean towards Marvel myself, for films. Outside of Batman, DC hasn't really done honestly anything good in the past decade that the public actually took notice of. Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, etc, or particularly financially successful besides arguably Superman Returns.

Agreed again. I liked Superman Returns though; I get the issues with it but, I liked it still, I did think it had heart.

Yeah, Nolan's Batman films are good, but that's not because of DC, that's because A: Great actors. B: Great visual style. and C: Batman's already massive popularity. Batman was a popular superhero long before the film came out. The thing is, though, DC has only made two superheroes into good films: Superman and Batman. They then proceeded to run BOTH of those franchises straight into the ground after a popular, well-received sequel.

Half agreeing now. I mean saying it's not D.C. that makes the movies good but the actors...well yeah that's true of any story. It's not the characters necessarily that make Marvel's films good.

For Example X2 Vs. X3 nearly all the same characters two totally different results.

I'm also not one for franchises, I like individual films and if that becomes a franchise ok. I'm STILL intrigued by BB and TDK, which is not something I can say for most of the Marvel films. Not that Marvel isn't better but for me there movies are not in general focused on story.

I don't mean to sound like I'm trolling, but Marvel just seems to have better control of what they're doing. Sure they can play it safe a lot, but that's because the whole concept of building up to the Avengers is completely ruined if even one of the films fails financially.

The thing is, Batman can support himself because he's Batman, save the few cases where someone screws him up to the point of almost TRYING to make it suck (1997 WB, I'm looking at you). But they keep pulling him out over and over again to the point where even after TDK, I can't get really hyped for TDKR because even though it's a drastically different take on the characters, because I know that as long as the Batman films keep making big hits the rest of the DC characters suffer as a result. Hell, the only reason the Batfilms are good was because WB didn't try to interfere with Nolan like they did with Schumacher.

Batman is cool, I admit that but when you put that with a story like we've been getting you get something else. BB and TDK could have been mediocre films.

They could have been like X2 or Spiderman 2, two films I absolutely love but for me BB and TDK really went above and beyond that but that's not (to me) only because its dealing with Batman.

I mean, sure it's Batman and he's awesome, but it's like 'Oh. DC's making another Batman film. AGAIN.'

Sadly I have that feeling when I see new Marvel films. I feel like they get it right every once in a while and then try to milk it as best as they can with as little effort as possible.

I thought Iron Man was a fine movie. fun, nothing amazing. Iron Man 2? Not at all.

I also don't understand the praises for First Class. again A good movie but in no way an amazing film. i feel sometimes when a Marvel film does well people are so amazed because lurking in their minds is The Fantastic Four.

I remember when TDK came out some were saying Iron Man was just as good if not better.

I couldn't understand it...I still don't.

With Marvel, there's an actual shot for these characters. Iron Fist, Guardians of the Galaxy, even the ****ing Inhumans have been rumored to get a film. Hell, it's heavily rumored Doc Strange will get the first slot for the 2014 schedule. DC has great heroes, so why aren't characters like Wonder Woman or Aquaman (attitude from JL/JLU + Gold/orange Atlantean armor= ****ing GOLD!), or hell, even Wonder Woman, one of DC's big three and the most recognizable female superhero!

Wonder Woman (My favorite DC character) has a lot of issues with it and I'll give credit to DC for it. It's a hard character to get done for various reasons.

I was excited for Green Lantern for a long while, because I thought it meant finally WB/DC were getting their **** together and trying something new for once, finally making a Supehero film that isn't related to Superman or Batman.

Green Lantern was like a Marvel flick to me. Not amazing, not super terrible. It and Thor were interchangeable to me.

And then I heard a Hawkman film was being written, I was even happier, because it meant they were actively exploring other heroes for films, which they hadn't done before...really ever.

Aaaand then GL failed and Hawkman was never heard about again.

I hear you.

I just can't feel that it'll justify DC just not giving a **** about it's other heroes. It certainly doesn't seem Batman is going to help bring smaller heroes to the screen like Iron Man did.

Maybe not but we have to see how Marvel's smaller characters work out.

I do hope D.C. gets their act together though.
 
Have you guys seen the new Batman: Year One clip?

http://blip.tv/file/5618375

We know that Gordon was at the Wayne Manor scenes so maybe we'll see a scene reminiscent of that. :D
 
I thought both the Avengers teasers (this recent one being an extended teaser, basically) both blew away the TDKR teaser. But that is only because the TDKR teaser didn't show a damn thing, really (one shot of Bane and a shot of Gordon weezing out a speech in a hospital bed). But that's okay, because I am sure we'll get shown great stuff in the next two trailers for TDKR. I am looking forward to both films and I hope neither one disappoints.
 
I thought both the Avengers teasers (this recent one being an extended teaser, basically) both blew away the TDKR teaser. But that is only because the TDKR teaser didn't show a damn thing, really (one shot of Bane and a shot of Gordon weezing out a speech in a hospital bed). But that's okay, because I am sure we'll get shown great stuff in the next two trailers for TDKR. I am looking forward to both films and I hope neither one disappoints.

Yeah. TDKR teaser was about being mysterious towards the audience where as Avenger's was much more about getting people amped up for an epic adventure.

To be fair , Nolan is always playing things close to the vest so its his style to try to keep people guessing , but I think it didn't quite go over that way with the general audience. Instead the reaction was Meh. While the Avengers teaser after CA really got people excited .

I agree though, that I tend to think the next TDKR trailer is gonna have alot more for the audience to chew on.
 
I thought both the Avengers teasers (this recent one being an extended teaser, basically) both blew away the TDKR teaser. But that is only because the TDKR teaser didn't show a damn thing, really (one shot of Bane and a shot of Gordon weezing out a speech in a hospital bed). But that's okay, because I am sure we'll get shown great stuff in the next two trailers for TDKR. I am looking forward to both films and I hope neither one disappoints.

I thought the Avengers trailers achieved what they set out to do: tease action, spectacle, and the novelty of seeing all these heroes on screen for the first time together.

But I still go back to TDKR's teaser and prefer it because, with the focus being more on story and theme, the teaser leaves me with more intriguing questions about where the film is headed, whereas with the Avengers my general feeling was "this could be a pretty good action film."

Both complimentary, but I felt TDKR's teased me more.
 
Have you guys seen the new Batman: Year One clip?

http://blip.tv/file/5618375

We know that Gordon was at the Wayne Manor scenes so maybe we'll see a scene reminiscent of that. :D

I've seen the whole film. It's good. but I didn't care for the guy doing Bruce/Batman's voice. Cranston was great as Gordon though.
 
All the people saying the Batman brand was always lucrative are talking out of their rear. Batman Begins barely turned a profit. The name Batman was actually toxic to the film going public before Begins. It's not an exaggeration that Nolan rejuvenated the brand. Evidenced by BB's excellent DVD sales after it's mediocre BO performance.
 
That reminds me.

I still need to pick up BB on Blu-Ray.
 
Totally agree with you here. The reason it doesn't appeal to me is because I'm not that kind of viewer. Story trumps all for me, so when I saw the trailer I thought: "Wow...Scarlett Johanssen AGAIN looks like she's farting flames"



Agreed again. I liked Superman Returns though; I get the issues with it but, I liked it still, I did think it had heart.



Half agreeing now. I mean saying it's not D.C. that makes the movies good but the actors...well yeah that's true of any story. It's not the characters necessarily that make Marvel's films good.

For Example X2 Vs. X3 nearly all the same characters two totally different results.

I'm also not one for franchises, I like individual films and if that becomes a franchise ok. I'm STILL intrigued by BB and TDK, which is not something I can say for most of the Marvel films. Not that Marvel isn't better but for me there movies are not in general focused on story.

I don't mean to sound like I'm trolling, but Marvel just seems to have better control of what they're doing. Sure they can play it safe a lot, but that's because the whole concept of building up to the Avengers is completely ruined if even one of the films fails financially.



Batman is cool, I admit that but when you put that with a story like we've been getting you get something else. BB and TDK could have been mediocre films.

They could have been like X2 or Spiderman 2, two films I absolutely love but for me BB and TDK really went above and beyond that but that's not (to me) only because its dealing with Batman.



Sadly I have that feeling when I see new Marvel films. I feel like they get it right every once in a while and then try to milk it as best as they can with as little effort as possible.

I thought Iron Man was a fine movie. fun, nothing amazing. Iron Man 2? Not at all.

I also don't understand the praises for First Class. again A good movie but in no way an amazing film. i feel sometimes when a Marvel film does well people are so amazed because lurking in their minds is The Fantastic Four.

I remember when TDK came out some were saying Iron Man was just as good if not better.

I couldn't understand it...I still don't.



Wonder Woman (My favorite DC character) has a lot of issues with it and I'll give credit to DC for it. It's a hard character to get done for various reasons.



Green Lantern was like a Marvel flick to me. Not amazing, not super terrible. It and Thor were interchangeable to me.



I hear you.



Maybe not but we have to see how Marvel's smaller characters work out.

I do hope D.C. gets their act together though.


I really wish they would have done Green Arrow Supermax.
 
I really wish they would have done Green Arrow Supermax.

They still can. I'd rather an adaptation of Year One first and a sequel being Supermax though. That way they could offer a different take on the superhero both times. Once on an island for most of the film, then in a prison.
 
That reminds me.

I still need to pick up BB on Blu-Ray.

It's worth it for the special features if you don't have the disc instead of tracking them down somewhere on the web. No commentary track...but there's an "In-movie experience," which is sort of like a commentary track at select points in the film with video that pops up as the movie is playing.

Which brings me to something else: I hope Nolan and maybe some crew and cast finally do proper commentary tracks for TDKR disc release since it's the last one, but I doubt it. Probably just more special features, and a box set coming.
 
I'm still holding out for a possible deluxe edition for Nolan's trilogy.
 
I'm still holding out for a possible deluxe edition for Nolan's trilogy.
I wouldn't count on there being anything extra if a "deluxe edition" does come out. Nolan doesn't put too many extras/behind the scenes stuff for his movies. If anything, it'll just come in one package, with the same stuff you already have.
 
Arkham city got another perfect score from game informer and rumor is ign is following suit which almost never happens.. Can't wait til tuesday
 
I wouldn't count on there being anything extra if a "deluxe edition" does come out. Nolan doesn't put too many extras/behind the scenes stuff for his movies. If anything, it'll just come in one package, with the same stuff you already have.
if they filmed behind the scenes and interviews then they will realese it 1 year after TDKR. in 2012 they will realese a normal BR version. then in 2013 an ultimate Nolan trilogy version . WB will get Nolan and his brother to do a lot of interviews and talk about their trilogy. and it will be awesome. i would bet my life on this.
 
if they filmed behind the scenes and interviews then they will realese it 1 year after TDKR. in 2012 they will realese a normal BR version. then in 2013 an ultimate Nolan trilogy version . WB will get Nolan and his brother to do a lot of interviews and talk about their trilogy. and it will be awesome. i would bet my life on this.
I wouldn't.
 
Yeah, that's not a good idea...
 
Have you guys seen the new Batman: Year One clip?

http://blip.tv/file/5618375

We know that Gordon was at the Wayne Manor scenes so maybe we'll see a scene reminiscent of that. :D

One of Ben's worst scenes. 0:33 -- what the hell? I know Bruce is supposed to be a "fake" playboy, but he talks like an idiot.
 
Oh cool, I didn't know The Avengers were going to be in TDKR. :oldrazz:
I like the Avengers. Emma Peel is sexy, and John Steed is a snappy dresser.

Didn't know that they were rebooting the franchise, after that Uma Thurman mess.
 
I must've been the only one not impressed with The Avengers trailer.

That 'if we can't protect the Earth, we'll avenge it' line made me facepalm.
 
I must've been the only one not impressed with The Avengers trailer.

That 'if we can't protect the Earth, we'll avenge it' line made me facepalm.

Im right there with you. So predictable. Hopefully the film has some sort of substance to it, unfortunately judging by previous marvel attempts, Im not holding my breath.
 
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