The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

[Brain Damage]

Once Bane is introduced, the situation rapidly escalates. His voice, by the way, is eerie and mechanized, but nearly everyone at the screening noted that it was difficult to make out all his lines through the mask (Nolan addressed the issue with The Hollywood Reporter), an issue we hope can be rectified. Nevertheless, this man is bad, bad, bad -- and the loyalty of his followers is even more frightening.

Does anyone happen to have a link for this?

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Guys...seriously...? What the hell?

It is just to buy time.

The plan is going to hit the ground, probably explode, and spread everything around in a big, giant, mess.

The CIA are led to believe everyone on the flight register: The CIA official, his men, Dr. Pavel, and one of the mercs are on board.

Bane transfuses blood from Pavel into the dead body and actually leaves the bag of blood behind.

If the body is somehow in-tact at all, it will have traces of Dr. Pavel's blood in it, if it isn't in tact at all, which is the most assured scenario, the bag of blood will be disintegrated and have Dr. Pavels blood spread everywhere all over the crime scene. The wreckage will be a complete cluster****. Blood over here, blood over there, evidence burning up, etc. ad infinitude...

Firstly, they will think it is a horrible accident, then they do some sweeping of the grounds for signs of foul play, when they finally get around to forensics they will first go for traces of blood because that is the easiest, they don't just skip to pulling out people's teeth and analyzing that if an easier source can be established because that stuff takes forever. That will throw them off the trail of Bane. Before they finally get around to finding something not quite right about the situation, they're ****ed. Bane has long gotten away with Dr. Pavel and is god knows where.

Now, let's put that crap to rest.

 

[TheDragonator]

But once they realize that none of the other samples but the blood is Pavel's, it'll be clear it isn't him.

Even if they can't find the specific samples, they still have what's left of the bodies. Anything that's attatched to the skeletons, they can test. Neither of the bodies match Pavel's height, or general structure? Then it's not him.

The blood will just make them think whoever the other body was just had his blood type, or make them wonder why his blood is there but none of the bodies are his.

 

[The_Raganork]

Please, drop the Dragonator thing...it's enough. He's here having a discussion just as you are.

He thinks the Batboards have no logic or reasoning

You think he has no logic or reasoning...

Who cares, we've got a good film on our hands. Lets not spoil this with words

 

[Dragon_316ca]

I found a potential trailer leak description on imdb, I doubt it's true but here it is anyways...

More:

Spoiler

oh and ill leave you guys with this its the last thing said in the trailer and looks like bane is standing over a beaten bruce not batman in a prison type setting that is shown earlier in the trailer saying "When Gotham is in ashes you have my permission to die."

 

[whirlwindboy]

i think we're all way off with the blood transfusion thing and wont fully understand it until the movie comes out. To me the body in the body bag looked like josh pence? it was so quick but thats what i thought. anyone else noticed? and if so anyone think it could have something to do with ras al ghul somehow?

 

[ThePhantasm]

But once they realize that none of the other samples but the blood is Pavel's, it'll be clear it isn't him.

They won't realize that because they won't test everything. They'll test enough to have proof Pavel was there and then they will stop.

 

[TheDragonator]

There's no denying that but our theories reside in the probability that all of the bodies left on board would, more than likely, be a frickin' mess.

I'm not saying it wouldn't, I'm saying it's not rocket science that they'd check the bodies for more than blood type. Skeletal remains, tissue, and such, would be a much more reliable way to identify the bodies than blood.

 

[jerkhero]

But doesn't Bane just want CIA to assume that the guy is dead, so it doesn't matter if they suspect Bane was behind the crash? They seem to know Bane pretty well anyway, so it's not like he's hiding or something.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I see you guys are letting dragontroller troll you once again.

Eh, I'm ignoring his comments. Trust me, I would have been all over his gripe with the aircraft being unable to handle a door opening without the apocalypse coming to fruition.

 

[TinkerTailor]

Sometimes I think that Nolan's most recent films have too much expository dialogue in them... then I come here, and realise he hasn't put nearly enough in.

I demand a prologue to the prologue that sets out point by point exactly where Bane and his men purchased such lovely hoods.

 

[The_Raganork]

More:

Spoiler

oh and ill leave you guys with this its the last thing said in the trailer and looks like bane is standing over a beaten bruce not batman in a prison type setting that is shown earlier in the trailer saying "When Gotham is in ashes you have my permission to die."

stomach...churning.

 

[J.Howlett]

Guys...seriously...? What the hell?

It is just to buy time.

The plan is going to hit the ground, probably explode, and spread everything around in a big, giant, mess.

The CIA are led to believe everyone on the flight register: The CIA official, his men, Dr. Pavel, and one of the mercs are on board.

Bane transfuses blood from Pavel into the dead body and actually leaves the bag of blood behind.

If the body is somehow in-tact at all, it will have traces of Dr. Pavel's blood in it, if it isn't in tact at all, which is the most assured scenario, the bag of blood will be disintegrated and have Dr. Pavels blood spread everywhere all over the crime scene. The wreckage will be a complete cluster****. Blood over here, blood over there, evidence burning up, etc. ad infinitude...

Firstly, they will think it is a horrible accident, then they do some sweeping of the grounds for signs of foul play, when they finally get around to forensics they will first go for traces of blood because that is the easiest, they don't just skip to pulling out people's teeth and analyzing that if an easier source can be established because that stuff takes forever. That will throw them off the trail of Bane. Before they finally get around to finding something not quite right about the situation, they're ****ed. Bane has long gotten away with Dr. Pavel and is god knows where.

Now, let's put that crap to rest.

Boom goes the dynamite! The fire rises!

 

[TheDragonator]

They won't realize that because they won't everything. They'll test enough to have proof Pavel was there and then they will stop.

But the only DNA evidence implying he was on the plane is the blood. If they literally test any of the other bodies they will notice he's none of them. They aren't just going to say 'this is Pavel's blood, despite the fact that multiple people can have the same blood type. He's dead. CASE CLOSED'. They're going to check to see if any of the bodies are actually his.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm not saying it wouldn't, I'm saying it's not rocket science that they'd check the bodies for more than blood type. Skeletal remains, tissue, and such, would be a much more reliable way to identify the bodies than blood.

Granted, however, it'd take quite a while before anyone would uncover the bodies' identies.

 

[ThePhantasm]

More:

Spoiler

oh and ill leave you guys with this its the last thing said in the trailer and looks like bane is standing over a beaten bruce not batman in a prison type setting that is shown earlier in the trailer saying "When Gotham is in ashes you have my permission to die."

*weeps in a corner*

 

[The_Raganork]

I'm not saying it wouldn't, I'm saying it's not rocket science that they'd check the bodies for more than blood type. Skeletal remains, tissue, and such, would be a much more reliable way to identify the bodies than blood.

why do you keep saying blood type, they'd Test it for DNA and that's 99.9% conclusive.

If they did test for anything else they'd wait til the remains were brought back to America or in an American secure zone which could take days

 

[dark_b]

i dont like what is happening here. nolan fans are almost every day making fun of spiderman ,superman,hulk,..... fans that their movies are not logical and dont make sense.

but right now they are finding 100 explnations for the blood transfusion........that in no way is realistic.

 

[ThePhantasm]

But the only DNA evidence implying he was on the plane is the blood. If they literally test any of the other bodies they will notice he's none of them. They aren't just going to say 'this is Pavel's blood, despite the fact that multiple people can have the same blood type. He's dead. CASE CLOSED'. They're going to check to see if any of the bodies are actually his.

I see you still don't understand the difference between blood type and DNA type. I rest my case. Have a nice day.

 

[floreairfoot]

They're not changing his blood type only trying to get the tested body to come out with some percentage of being Pavel's DNA.

Now it all makes sense. That's a really grand idea, I love it. I've never seen anything like that done before.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

why do you keep saying blood type, they'd Test it for DNA and that's 99.9% conclusive.

If they did test for anything else they'd wait til the remains were brought back to America or in an American secure zone which could take days

^This ^

Sorry Dragon, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ThePhantasm]

but right now they are finding 100 explnations for the blood transfusion........that in no way is realistic.

Not 100 explanations. 1 explanation. The right one.

 

[The_Raganork]

i dont like what is happening here. nolan fans are almost every day making fun of spiderman ,superman,hulk,..... fans that their movies are not logical and dont make sense.

but right now they are finding 100 explnations for the blood transfusion........that in no way is realistic.

what part of it is unrealistic. The argument is that it wouldn't be conclusive enough. not that it's impossible,

 

[DoomsdayApex]

right now they are finding 100 explnations for the blood transfusion........that in no way is realistic.

Are you not aware of what our very own government intelligence agencies have done? It's not impossible, nor is it illogical.

 

[hulk24]

in actual military mainly special forces and cia, if in a foreign country under a covert or black operation, if there is an accident where either a prisoner is taken and everyone dies, if there is a survivor they are briefed to go to a checkpoint or embassy to check in. They are to destroy all evidence of them being there and if it is in a enemy country they well not only destroy all evidence and deny they were even there. So by them doing the blood transfusion may just be a way to leave enough evidence to prove someone was there and to make the governments and agencies argue over who has jurisdiction and who is to blame thus making more than enough time to get bane and his men able to get in and get out and move undetected by the time the figure out what really happened bane will already have control of gotham.