The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[craigdbfan]

My problem with Batman and being seen in daylight is essentially that it demystifies him. His goal is to strike fear into criminals, and part of that fear stems from the inability to really figure out what he/it is. Seeing him in daylight takes aware from that unknown territory and proves he's just a man.

Which of course could be the reason Nolan is choosing to do so...

But that demystification had already taken place by TDK. Remember the entire spiel with Maroni?

"We're on to your act you have rules". The night time now would make little difference in keeping him this sort of mysterious figure.

Criminals have caught on there's nothing else left to hide. They know he's an incredibly formidable man and whether its night time or day he can break your limbs and cut your criminal activity forever.

Especially seeing as the situation calls for it. Also having seen the shot in IMAX I've fallen in love with the TDK costume something I thought would have never happened but it did.

The suit surprisingly looks way better in the day than it does at night.

 

[Gianakin_]

I'll be honest, i loved that about Burton's Batman, i know its not comic accurate, but i loved it.

But that's the thing: It IS comic accurate! It's accurate to the first Batman comics, just like fat Gordon!

 

[Sharkboy]

Seeing batman in daytime never really struck me until some people complained about it on here, end of the day even IF by that time everyone knew he was bruce wayne in a batsuit, and he was fighting about in the daytime. I'm sure quite a few people would still be afraid of him, because as one of bane's henchman...even though im not fighting the batman anymore im just fighting bruce...but he still just broke my friends arm, beat my other friend unconscious and he's thrown like 4 batarangs in my other friends face...yeah im still scared of him.

 

[KalMart]

I'd like to chime in on the whole Batman in daylight thing. Personally I like Batman only appearing and doing his duties in the black of night. But I can see why he's in the daylight in this movie, the plot calls for it, so it doesn't bother me. But overall, I prefer Batman in the dark.

Yeah, it's probably not an arbitrary choice...and there are certain storytellers fro whom you'd be more interested to hear about things that you normally may not. I think Nolan, with his Batman films, is one of them.

 

[The_Raganork]

Very good point, i honestly think that's what Nolan maybe going for. Also the people of gotham can defend there city, if a normal man like batman can rise to defend the city, anyone can.

this ability to think past your preference is the difference between you and the Dragonator.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

Man, I'm totally serious. I love B&R. Love it to death. It's BF that I can't really get used to.

None are as good as Transformers 2 though i'm told.

No food for 2 weeks![/QUOTE]

yeah i loved Forever when i was younger, but its the one i watch least now, theres just something missing from it.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

But that's the thing: It IS comic accurate! It's accurate to the first Batman comics, just like fat Gordon!

haha, very true. never thought of it that way weirdly. shame Bruce never had a pipe.

 

[The Joker]

But that demystification had already taken place by TDK. Remember the entire spiel with Maroni?

"We're on to your act you have rules". The night time now would make little difference in keeping him this sort of mysterious figure.

Criminals have caught on there's nothing else left to hide. They know he's an incredibly formidable man and whether its night time or day he can break your limbs and cut your criminal activity forever.

Exactly.

Tim Burton had the criminals discover that half way through Batman 1989, when Joker's men knocked out Batman in the alley way and copped on he was just a man in a costume.

"Check his wallet" t:

 

[Gianakin_]

yeah i loved Forever when i was younger, but its the one i watch least now, theres just something missing from it.

Nothing is missing. It just doesn't know what film it is. Is it Batman 3, continuing Burton's tone/style? Or is it the prequel to B&R, an extravagant comedy? The other 3 movies knew what they were, BF doesn't.

 

[Yurka]

Well said! That's a fine reason.

Then to you I say...for all the reasons you've given don't you think that can be a way to rally the people and become part of Gotham society and lead them against a threat like Bane?

I don't see why that would be a problem for you.

Surely that makes it a much more interesting narrative; that Batman has to sacrifice the mystique that he's fought so hard to develop?

Poor Bats...without the dark and shadows....guess there isn't as much in there as we thought. How is it that Spidey and Supes can do both...their powers? I guess that's what eventually defines a hero...

Seriously, I think that the real impact of Batman at the end of the day (no pun intended) is that he IS a normal human underneath all the theatricality. He's ultimately a hero because he's like the rest of us, but he decided to make a difference. Something like that....

I agree with you all and I added in that Nolan is doing it for a reason, so even Batman isn't fully comfortable doing it. I have no problem with it if it factors into the story, as in Batman "rallying the troops", but if it's just Batman operating in daylight for the sake of being in daylight, then I am not a fan.

 

[Gianakin_]

I agree with you all and I added in that Nolan is doing it for a reason, so even Batman isn't fully comfortable doing it. I have no problem with it if it factors into the story, as in Batman "rallying the troops", but if it's just Batman operating in daylight for the sake of being in daylight, then I am not a fan.

You have nothing to worry about, then.

I wouldn't be a fan, either.

 

[film4life]

I'm seriously considering going to Walmart and playing the chant over the intercom system.

 

[TheDragonator]

I don't like Batman in the daytime for movies. Period. That's the end of this discussion. If you like it, fine, but I don't. I have a right to not like it, so just deal with it.

 

[Sharkboy]

The old..."if it's not in the comics, it shouldn't be in the film" argument is so outdated and overdone, it's not even a real argument anymore. I don't take it seriously, I understand the need and importance to delve into the source material for the spirit and purpose of each character you adapt, but people take it steps way too far, where all they seem to want is just moving versions of the comics they have already read!

 

[Pagan]

I think he's out in the daytime because he needs to be. I don't think he had a choice. That's when the attack on the city was going down. Bane planned it to draw him out because the dark plays to Batman's advantage.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

Nothing is missing. It just doesn't know what film it is. Is it Batman 3, continuing Burton's tone/style? Or is it the prequel to B&R, an extravagant comedy? The other 3 movies knew what they were, BF doesn't.

Good way of looking at it, and you may be spot on. Its a shame, i can see why Warners chose shumacher from his past movies, yet what he gave us was totally different. But i suppose Warners need to take alot of the blame for what we got.

 

[The_Raganork]

I agree with you all and I added in that Nolan is doing it for a reason, so even Batman isn't fully comfortable doing it. I have no problem with it if it factors into the story, as in Batman "rallying the troops", but if it's just Batman operating in daylight for the sake of being in daylight, then I am not a fan.

Right my point wasn't to attack your point but to show The Dragonator that, while you maintain your preference you can understand some things against your preference make sense and can be good.

even if you said right now: "I still like the idea of it though" I couldn't argue with you because you understand you're not beyond being wrong or being surprised.

 

[Gianakin_]

I don't like Batman in the daytime for movies. Period. That's the end of this discussion. If you like it, fine, but I don't. I have a right to not like it, so just deal with it.

Ooh, the victim of human rights deprivation is back.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

You may be able to criticise Nolan but there are those on these boards that think he can do no wrong, Yet when the next person to Direct Batman comes along i have no doubt most will jump ship Nolan, just as they have on the Spider-man Boards.

I personally love the Nolan films, i don't need to compare them to Burtons, or even Schumachers because i see each as a different era of Batman. Theres no harm in enjoying them all (yes even Batman and Robin)


I'm not saying Batman and robin is amazing but i can enjoy it for what it is.

Understandable, but you also have to comprehend that as Bat-Fanatics, Christopher Nolan has given birth to the Golden Age of Batman films. Burton's and Schumacher's films have been either insulted and/or praised, as much as Nolan's. Who knows if a better director will come along anytime soon and lift the franchise to new heights, but as you've stated, I've appreciated each film (in it's own way).

I, however, do not envy the person who will take over the franchise next. The pressure for this film to be successful is ridiculously high. People are criticizing the costumes, dialogue, acting, vehicles, etc left and right.

 

[TheDragonator]

this ability to think past your preference is the difference between you and the Dragonator.

I shouldn't have to put things I like aside to enjoy something. If I don't prefer something over something else, I will naturally like the thing I prefer more. That's that.

 

[KalMart]

I agree with you all and I added in that Nolan is doing it for a reason, so even Batman isn't fully comfortable doing it. I have no problem with it if it factors into the story, as in Batman "rallying the troops", but if it's just Batman operating in daylight for the sake of being in daylight, then I am not a fan.

Or having a mysterious black sports car for the sake of having a mysterious black sports car....


Not that again....

 

[B.A. Baracus]

I don't like Batman in the daytime for movies. Period. That's the end of this discussion. If you like it, fine, but I don't. I have a right to not like it, so just deal with it.

I don't like it either, but you must like me, see the logical point of it. storywise?



I kinda feel i'm feeding the troll now.

 

[BobJM]

I don't mind Batman fighting in the daytime. You can say it's because he's "de-mystified" or it's symbolic of the "dawn," but I say it's just Batman being Batman.

He's there to fight criminals. True, he usually sticks to the night, but when Bane attacks during the day, Batman isn't gonna wait til the sun goes down to strike. He needs to stop Bane and stop him now.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

The idea is not stupid. That's my opinion.

There. This conversation has officially hit a brick wall. What now?

Now you go BOOM!

My problem with Batman and being seen in daylight is essentially that it demystifies him. His goal is to strike fear into criminals, and part of that fear stems from the inability to really figure out what he/it is. Seeing him in daylight takes aware from that unknown territory and proves he's just a man.

Which of course could be the reason Nolan is choosing to do so...

Good points - it does seem to demystify him on paper. Did you know that Nolan said that Batman is so feared by the criminals that he can intimidate them no matter how he exposes himself. He doesn't need to hide in the shadows now.

 

[Syncope]

I don't like Batman in the daytime for movies. Period. That's the end of this discussion. If you like it, fine, but I don't. I have a right to not like it, so just deal with it.

Fair enough.

I bet come July 2012, that opinion will have altered drastically.