The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 43

[SpideyFan866]

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Rag has stated that he does indeed die.

Did not know that. Guess my source was right.

 

[Falcone]

i usually just see him kicking ass in debates, not providing scoops and info. i dunno, i'm new here though. i'm definitely a rag hag.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

He's dropped clues, hints and scoops surrounding the plot and characters on more than one occasion, but if you're not a regular around these parts, then you've missed out.

I'm sure he'll hand out a few more but you gotta be alert.

 

[Falcone]

i registered last week. i plan on being here everyday until July 20. even without constant tdkr news updates, the level of debate about what is speculated is unprecedented. i'd rather have speculation than news. it gets me excited without spoiling anything.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Great news RIM. See, Middle of march. Just like I was saying!

 

[DoomsdayApex]

i registered last week. i plan on being here everyday until July 20. even without constant tdkr news updates, the level of debate about what is speculated is unprecedented. i'd rather have speculation than news. it gets me excited without spoiling anything.

Speculating, most of the time, is the fun part of these boards. At this point, even with several spoilers being leaked, we still remain in the dark.

 

[KRIM]

Did not know that. Guess my source was right.

Accidentally clicked spoiler.

Doesn't get context (yay new page!) so rage is preserved.

 

[Falcone]

I wonder why this speculation about Bane dying is popular. I mean, there are two choices: Bane dies, or Bane doesn't die. It's a 50/50 chance you'll be right. Bane's fate has to be one of the most closely guarded secrets of the film.

Did Rag say by what means Bane dies? (besides Robin and Batgirl kicking out his venom tubes )

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I don't know why every villain in comic book movies has to die. Raimi's Spidey movies did it in every one, Batman Begins did it, Iron Man 1 and 2 did it. It's like nobody knows how to write closure without killing the antagonist.

 

[samsnee]

And the only one that didn't die can't come back because the actor did. That is irony.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I don't know why every villain in comic book movies has to die. Raimi's Spidey movies did it in every one, Batman Begins did it, Iron Man 1 and 2 did it. It's like nobody knows how to write closure without killing the antagonist.

Death or no death, we won't see this version of Bane again.

 

[HighFivingMF]

And the only one that didn't die can't come back because the actor did. That is irony.

 

[kvz5]

I hope Bats has a great first appearance in TDKR. His first appearance in TDK was bad ass.

 

[Falcone]

I hope Bats has a great first appearance in TDKR. His first appearance in TDK was bad ass.

1000% agreed... but based off a rumor i read on this forum a while back, the first appearance isn't until the second act, much like BB. it took him an hour to show in begins. his first appearance in BB was badass, as well, and the anticipation was built well for it. i hope his decision this time works well on two levels: badass, and personal.

that's a hard balance to pull off.

 

[floreairfoot]

I hope Bats has a great first appearance in TDKR. His first appearance in TDK was bad ass.

I hope Selina's first appearance is as Catwoman.

 

[weezerspider]

1000% agreed... but based off a rumor i read on this forum a while back, the first appearance isn't until the second act, much like BB. it took him an hour to show in begins. his first appearance in BB was badass, as well, and the anticipation was built well for it. i hope his decision this time works well on two levels: badass, and personal.

that's a hard balance to pull off.

If thats true, that falls in line with the theory that Bruce quit being Batman between the films in the 8 year gap instead of quitting during the film after a major injury(like a back problem ) I think this is probably true too, due to the fact that Batman's hardly in the trailer.

 

[kvz5]

1000% agreed... but based off a rumor i read on this forum a while back, the first appearance isn't until the second act, much like BB. it took him an hour to show in begins. his first appearance in BB was badass, as well, and the anticipation was built well for it. i hope his decision this time works well on two levels: badass, and personal.

that's a hard balance to pull off.

I doubt that. It may not be right off the gate after the prologue but I don't think we'll have to wait until the 2nd act for a Batman appearance. I just hope that we get some bad ass iconic Batman shots again and hopefully they show some of those in the next trailer. During TDK, we were already shown quite a bit of them in the trailers.

 

[weezerspider]

I doubt that. It may not be right off the gate after the prologue but I don't think we'll have to wait until the 2nd act for a Batman appearance.

Based on the teaser its clear Bruce quits at some point. If he quit in the 8 year gap between films its not that farfetched to think the 1st act is Bat-less. Nolan has to show the effects of the Batman-less Gotham Pre-Bane and then when he arrives(assuming his arrival is what causes Bruce to become Batman again). That plus Catwoman and Bane's backstory adds plenty of material for the first act without Bruce ever putting the mask on. I'm pretty sure Spiderman 2 didn't have Spiderman for one whole act( the second) and there wasn't nearly as much stuff going on in that film.

 

[kvz5]

Based on the teaser its clear Bruce quits at some point. If he quit in the 8 year gap between films its not that farfetched to think the 1st act is Bat-less. Nolan has to show the effects of the Batman-less Gotham Pre-Bane and then when he arrives(assuming his arrival is what causes Bruce to become Batman again). That plus Catwoman and Bane's backstory adds plenty of material for the first act without Bruce ever putting the mask on. I'm pretty sure Spiderman 2 didn't have Spiderman for one whole act( the second) and there wasn't nearly as much stuff going on in that film.

I wasn't in the camp though that believed that he completely quit during those 8 years so that's why I doubt that we won't see him in the first act.

 

[weezerspider]

I wasn't in the camp though that believed that he completely quit during those 8 years so that's why I doubt that we won't see him in the first act.

Touche, Touche

 

[Falcone]

It quite clear he retires.

1) The teaser dialogue.

2) Same bat suit, no new tumbler. He hasn't been upgrading his arsenal; its what's left over from his previous run.

3) The end of TDK. Why would Batman come back to fight the lower level mob bosses left over at the risk of every law enforcement agent willing to put him away forever? He comes back because Bane is the first opponent that requires his expertise

 

[weezerspider]

It quite clear he retires.

1) The teaser dialogue.

2) Same bat suit, no new tumbler. He hasn't been upgrading his arsenal; its what's left over from his previous run.

3) The end of TDK. Why would Batman come back to fight the lower level mob bosses left over at the risk of every law enforcement agent willing to put him away forever? He comes back because Bane is the first opponent that requires his expertise

Thats what Im thinking too.

 

[Nevincer]

It fades into the Batman music after the prologue. Sure, this might be to blend easier into the sizzle reel, but i'm inclined to believe otherwise. I'd say Batman is getting an intro similar to TDK, hopefully it's that one with tons of police chasing him and then him decking out in the new Bat vehicle to make his escape for the first time.

 

[AnneFan]

I wonder why this speculation about Bane dying is popular.

Well, just like if Bruce's secret comes out, I don't see him hanging around Gotham with everybody knowing. I've posted something like it before, but taking over Gotham City and ruling it like a dictator is a once in a lifetime thing. You get one shot at it. After all he's done, dropping Bane off at the police station wouldn't feel right to most of the characters in the film world, or the viewing public IMO.

 

[kvz5]

It quite clear he retires.

I disagree. I don't think that he's on Batman duty every single night with those 8 years being "peace time" and the GCPD still hounding him but I don't think that he completely retired during those 8 years. This is a Bruce that needs Batman more than Gotham needs Batman.

1) The teaser dialogue.

Bruce will certainly be out of commission for a while when Bane defeats him. Gordon might be alluding to that.[/quote]

2) Same bat suit, no new tumbler. He hasn't been upgrading his arsenal; its what's left over from his previous run.

He has a new and improved Batcave, a new toy (LED gun thingie) and The Bat.

3) The end of TDK. Why would Batman come back to fight the lower level mob bosses left over at the risk of every law enforcement agent willing to put him away forever? He comes back because Bane is the first opponent that requires his expertise

He started out being Batman even without someone like The Joker as an opponent. And who's to say that he wasn't fighting someone like the Joker during those 8 years?

It fades into the Batman music after the prologue. Sure, this might be to blend easier into the sizzle reel, but i'm inclined to believe otherwise. I'd say Batman is getting an intro similar to TDK, hopefully it's that one with tons of police chasing him and then him decking out in the new Bat vehicle to make his escape for the first time.

Yup. That's my guess too! Or maybe that Batman/Catwoman fight scene that they filmed in NJ?