The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 5

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[obin_gam]

It was a thunderstorm over us the entire day just untill now so this morning when I manage to look at batman-news on the phone, I saw the poster news. DAMN these hours have been a long and hard wait :P

That reminds me: Batman-News.com should have a mobile phone version

 

[obin_gam]

I like the black-and-white scheme as well. it seems nolan has gone for the three basic colors of early day cinema for each of the three films: Sepia -> Blue -> B&W

genius.

 

[StarLord]

I'm so behind on the news front!

Just looked at the teaser poster though, it looks awesome.

A quick question on the pics posted in the Photo Thread, I noticed one that had 'Cast 11' with 'Daggett' underneath it. Has this been discussed?

 

[The_Raganork]

I'm so behind on the news front!

Just looked at the teaser poster though, it looks awesome.

A quick question on the pics posted in the Photo Thread, I noticed one that had 'Cast 11' with 'Daggett' underneath it. Has this been discussed?

Yes some believe it's Dagget from the animated series

Other's think it's a code name, because next to it is the trailer for "Stryver" who is a character in a tale of two cities (which sparked the idea that TDKR will be based on it)

The general consensus seems to think codename

"Dagget" "Nixon" "Stryver"

That these characters will resemble the code names they've been given but, not be them directly

 

[Sith Scotti]

I really hope thats is the color pallet fort the film . It is very noirish . I like itt:

 

[StarLord]

Yes some believe it's Dagget from the animated series

Other's think it's a code name, because next to it is the trailer for "Stryver" who is a character in a tale of two cities (which sparked the idea that TDKR will be based on it)

The general consensus seems to think codename

"Dagget" "Nixon" "Stryver"

That these characters will resemble the code names they've been given but, not be them directly

BTAS was my first thought but then I didn't think Nolan would actually want the names on some of the trailers for secrecy etc..

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Sharkboy]

Yes some believe it's Dagget from the animated series

Other's think it's a code name, because next to it is the trailer for "Stryver" who is a character in a tale of two cities (which sparked the idea that TDKR will be based on it)

The general consensus seems to think codename

"Dagget" "Nixon" "Stryver"

That these characters will resemble the code names they've been given but, not be them directly

Thank you for that! I was wondering where all the talk about Tale of Two Cities came from, I know "the fire rises" and all that but i thought it was just a coincidence.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

It's weird I've got that excited/nervous feeling I get before going to see a concert or play a football (soccer) match.
As if this is the start of everything.
So effin' excited!

 

[Bads316]

It's weird I've got that excited/nervous feeling I get before going to see a concert or play a football (soccer) match.
As if this is the start of everything.
So effin' excited!

Yep, nothing else like it.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I believe that is called adrenaline.

 

[kvz5]

Most of the speculations have been linking Bane's backtory to Ra's (and LoS IF they are in the movie as well) but given the recent pics (military backdrop) and Oldman's statement that he and Tom will have lots of scenes together, is it a possibility that Bane is not involved in the Ra's story at all? So IF not, where does Ra's fit in all of these?

 

[The_Raganork]

Most of the speculations have been linking Bane's backtory to Ra's (and LoS IF they are in the movie as well) but given the recent pics (military backdrop) and Oldman's statement that he and Tom will have lots of scenes together, is it a possibility that Bane is not involved in the Ra's story at all? So IF not, where does Ra's fit in all of these?

I attempted to answer this in the first incarnation of this thread:

Originally posted by Raganork8

Ra's is THE character that defines Bruce in the present time. He made Bruce into the man he is.

I said this before he is like Bruce's second father and I have a great belief this film is going to be about which Father Bruce is going to decide to be the son of.

The Man who gave him virtuosity or

The Man who gave him the means to fight injustice?

So it's no surprise to me that a film that features a character who is going to try to convince Bruce to be more philanthropic like his father (Tate) also would include the character who saw Bruce's father as someone weak and urged Bruce to do everything that was necessary to go the distance that his father didn't.

Because a few comics feature Bane and Ra's in the same storyline doesn't mean there isn't another option to have a character that is (so far) STRICTLY a Bruce character be about Bruce.

I'm not saying that he won't have anything to do with Bane, or that he won't have a lot to do with Bane but, this assumption that it can be nothing else always shocks me as Batman Begins is so STRONG in it's implications of Bruce's parts and then Bruce's training.

The Dark Knight Rises

What does that mean? Bruce has run from his League of Shadows heritage because of the fear toxin disaster and TDK showed us (by not showing us) That his parents murder's have taken a side bar to his having to use Wayne tech to make Batman stronger, faster, smarter.

He has to marry those ideas; he has to bring back his Parent's death to continue with his virtue and confront his issue with Ra's and the league of Shadows to remember why he joined them in the first place, what they taught him directly and what they taught him via his confrontation with them.

something I've always explored while watching these films is that at the end of BB Batman says: "I'm not going to kill you...but I don't have to save you"

This is very indicative of the LoS training; it's something I can see Ra's saying; in fact he has a similar line:

You burned my house and left me for dead, consider us even"

What if Ra's was alive during TDK; what would he think of Batman's place in Gotham? Isn't this kind of what he wanted? Batman became gotham's biggest hope and it all comes crashing down, the one person who can protect them is in their crosshairs, if he's destroyed by the people of Gotham then that's it.

"When the Chips are down These Civilized people, will eat each other"

Or eat him? Turning on Batman IS turning on Gotham, surely they don't have a choice given the information they have but:

"sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded"

Shouldn't Bruce/Bat's faith in his city be rewarded? and if it isn't; isn't this Ra's ultimate win?

Now how does that fit in with Young Ra's?

Seeing some of Ra's motives, some of who he was to become the man we know in BB might serve as some insight to who Batman is becoming, a parallel story of sorts.

I don't consider Ra's evil; he's willing to do things for the "greater good" that many people wouldn't; in certain situations, this may make him the hero. He gave Bruce purpose, a new life, turned him from a mourning child to a powerful man.

Exploring briefly what makes Ra's the way he was, what made the man who taught Bruce how to fight crime, might show us more clearly where Batman is failing and what he can do to "Rise"

If we know more about the creator we may learn more about the creation and if Batman can avoid the same falls that turned Ra's Al Ghul into the leader of a group of assassins then maybe he can become something more.

His goal in BB was to become a Symbol, infinite, eternal, incorruptible.

He failed at this, the vision of Batman is tarnished; so maybe its time to look back at the ideals that made Batman in the first place to help him heal those wounds and become the Batman he intended to be.

Ra's motives can be clear, how he goes about things still stays mysterious. I agree his mysteriousness should be kept because that's the appeal of the character.

Young Ra's doesn't need to be a huge thing and If I were doing the film I'd fragment it throughout how long the film is.

What we're exploring are ideas from Young Ra's and Ideals he may have held at some point and then watching the mainstory and seeing where they fit in with each other.

It won't be an origins story at all, it'll be a perfectly integrated mirrored story. While the main story is bombastic and action packed, we have these flashbacks that are calmer showing us the creator of Batman, and by watching this in conjunction with our current Batman we can see what Batman is doing right and what he's doing wrong.

since I used the Father Analogy before, think of it as similar to the scenes with Thomas in BB, they were very quick but, they held a lot of meat. As contrast this film can do the same with Ra's.

By watching both we're forced to examine Batman's actions in comparison with Ra's and how Batman is like Ra's Al Ghul ultimately, something he very much wanted to avoid in BB.

In BB Ra's explained he tried to destroy Gotham through despair via the economy

In TDK Batman tried to save Gotham through hope Via politics by LYING about Harvey's involvement.

They may be trying to achieve two different things but, are these not two sides of the same coin?

Yes; in a previous post I mentioned that I think this movie will be the battle of the son.

which Father will Bruce/Bat choose?

The one who gave him virtuosity or the one who gave him the means to fight injustice.

Is Batman Bruce Wayne's alternate Identity? or is Bruce Wayne Batman's Alternate Identity?

Rachel said it perfect in BB

This is your mask

He has to rectify that.

 

[Marvel Spider]

I had trouble sleeping last night because of how awesome that poster is, lol.

 

[slimshady247]

I had trouble sleeping last night because of how awesome that poster is, lol.

Had a dream that the teaser was posted. Then I woke up.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Had a dream that the teaser was posted. Then I woke up.

a wet dream, huh?

 

[Jedm1991]

I said multiple times Bane would probly be military, weeks ago

 

[slimshady247]

a wet dream, huh?

 

[SimpleHero82]

I had trouble sleeping last night because of how awesome that poster is, lol.

SAME! hahaa

 

[Solidus]

I had trouble sleeping last night because of how awesome that poster is, lol.

Imagine when the trailer comes out lol.

Then next week we got Prometheus stuff, TAS trailer, Capt. Ya its a good few weeks. Little sleep will be had. lol

 

[Texas Zombie]

I personally will sleep like a baby when I see the trailer.

 

[Marvel Spider]

Imagine when the trailer comes out lol.

Then next week we got Prometheus stuff, TAS trailer, Capt. Ya its a good few weeks. Little sleep will be had. lol

I probably WON'T sleep when the ASM trailer comes, haha!

 

[batman_gr]

Why do some people keep bringing up Spiderman3's poster? What was wrong with it?

 

[Texas Zombie]

Why do some people keep bringing up Spiderman3's poster? What was wrong with it?

people kept looking for ghosts, and things that werent there.
it is happening similarly here