The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 6

[MultipleJesuses]

Awesome! But I thought Mark Hamill is retiring his joker voice after Arkham City?

I seen an article about him having changed his mind. He also said he would love to do another Batman game. BUT I seen it on CBM.... *shudder*

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Awesome! But I thought Mark Hamill is retiring his joker voice after Arkham City?

No, he confirmed himself, via Twitter that he meant Arkham City would be hard to top. He said he would voice Joker again.

 

[Stillsberry]

No, he confirmed himself, via Twitter that he meant Arkham City would be hard to top. He said he would voice Joker again.

Cool, that's a relief!

 

[EliteF50]

A two-part TDKR movie with Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill would be the greatest thing since sliced bread!

 

[Sharkboy]

A two-part TDKR movie with Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill would be the greatest thing since sliced bread!

 

[Fenrir]

I said it before, I'll say it again: Conroy's current Batvoice isn't half as good as it was in the early TAS episodes.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Hamil's Joker is perfect, he basically did it live action for the wonderful 90's series THE FLASH as the trickster.

 

[EliteF50]

What? One of the best graphic novels of all time, made by Bruce Timm and starring the two best Batman/Joker VAs of all time isn't awesome?

I said it before, I'll say it again: Conroy's current Batvoice isn't half as good as it was in the early TAS episodes.

That couldn't be further from the truth. Conroy's voice has gotten much, much better with age. He sounded more like Clint Eastwood in TAS, he no longer has a rasp to it. Plus, Kevin's Old Bruce voice would fit PERFECTLY for TDKR Bruce.

I never understood the hate for Kevin in this forum. It's one of the only things I really dislike about this place. It's probably one of the most pessimistic boards on the internet.

 

[slimshady247]

What? One of the best graphic novels of all time, made by Bruce Timm and starring the two best Batman/Joker VAs of all time isn't awesome?



That couldn't be further from the truth. Conroy's voice has gotten much, much better with age. He sounded more like Clint Eastwood in TAS, he no longer has a rasp to it. Plus, Kevin's Old Bruce voice would fit PERFECTLY for TDKR Bruce.

I never understood the hate for Kevin in this forum. It's one of the only things I really dislike about this place. It's probably one of the most pessimistic boards on the internet.

Says the guy with "Kevin Conroy = Most Epic Man in the World" in his sig.

But yes, he's pretty much perfect for an old Bruce Wayne. Makes the McKenzie voice in Year One easier to stomach for some reason.

 

[Fenrir]

That couldn't be truer. Conroy's voice has gotten much, much better with age. He sounded more like Clint Eastwood in TAS, he no longer has a rasp to it. Plus, Kevin's Old Bruce voice would fit PERFECTLY for TDKR Bruce.

Actually, the rasp is what made his voice so great in the first place. It sounded deeper, more threatening and it gave the relatively kid-friendly TAS Batman a darker edge. Now, he just sounds like another upstanding, square-jawed superhero. As a matter of fact, Keaton's Batman sounded ten times better in both the Burton movies than Conroy did in Gotham Knights and Arkham Asylum.

 

[slimshady247]

Actually, the rasp is what made his voice so great in the first place. It sounded deeper, more threatening and it gave the relatively kid-friendly TAS Batman a darker edge. Now, he just sounds like another upstanding, square-jawed superhero. As a matter of fact, Keaton sounded ten times better in both the Burton movies than Conroy did in Gotham Knights and Arkham Asylum.

I still think he sounds like a badass....

 

[EliteF50]

Says the guy with "Kevin Conroy = Most Epic Man in the World" in his sig.

Haha, you've honestly got no idea how much I love that man's voice.

But yes, he's pretty much perfect for an old Bruce Wayne. Makes the McKenzie voice in Year One easier to stomach for some reason.

Well, yeah, because we know after suffering through Ben's Batman, Kevin is next in line for TDKR!

Actually, the rasp is what made his voice so great in the first place. It sounded deeper, more threatening and it gave the relatively kid-friendly TAS Batman a darker edge. Now, he just sounds like another upstanding, square-jawed superhero. As a matter of fact, Keaton's Batman sounded ten times better in both the Burton movies than Conroy did in Gotham Knights and Arkham Asylum.

Not only is that your opinion, it's an opinion not many people share. Actually, it's an opinion almost no one will share. Go to any forum (besides SHH), any website, any youtube video... everyone loves Kevin's Batman. I love Keaton, but his voice is no where near as good as Kevin's... in anything he's ever done. In fact, Keaton's Batvoice was probably the weakest part of his performance. It was soft, too high pitched and inconsistant. Kevin's voice has progressed perfectly throughout the years. He doesn't sound young anymore, he's a man. A deep voiced man, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[The Joker]

Conroy doesn't sound as good nowadays as he did in BTAS. He's still good, but he was on top form in the early years. Hamill has maintained consistency as Joker.

I'm also glad they're not using Conroy for these animated movies like UTRH and Year One. I want some variety.

 

[EliteF50]

Hamill's Joker has not been consistant. It sounds 10x better now than it did 20 years ago, and same goes for Kevin.

And too bad that variety always sounds like crap in the end.

 

[The Joker]

Hamill's Joker has not been consistant. It sounds 10x better now than it did 20 years ago, and same goes for Kevin.

Hamill's Joker voice sounds the same as it always did. I hear him in Arkham Asylum and it's no different to the voice in say 'The Laughing Fish'. Fenrir is right, Conroy's voice has dipped in quality. It's not bad, but it's not as good as it was back in the BTAS days.

And too bad that variety always sounds like crap in the end.

Maybe to you. But Bruce Greenwood got a hell of a lot of praise for his Batman in UTRH. Can't wait to hear Ben McKenzie in Year One.

 

[EliteF50]

Hamill's Joker voice sounds the same as it always did. I hear in in Arkham Asylum and it's no different to the voice in say 'Joker's Favor'. Fenrir is right, Conroy's voice has dipped in quality. It's not bad, but it's not as good as it was back in the BTAS days.

No, I hear it a world of difference. Mark sounded much darker and deeper in BAA. And just because Kevin's Batman changed, that doesn't mean it's gotten worse. That may be your feelings towards it, but obviously the voice directors and fans don't mind, or else they would have said something.

Maybe to you. But Bruce Greenwood got a hell of a lot of praise for his Batman in UTRH. Can't wait to hear Ben McKenzie in Year One.

Exactly. All of this is subjective, there's really no point arguing about it. I thought Greenwood was terrible, but you liked him. I say Kevin is better than he's ever been, you say he's not. We're not going to convince each other otherwise.

 

[KRMonkey]

I seriously never understood all the love that Kevin Conroy gets. I mean I get the fact that you all grew up with him as the voice. Heck I did too, I just don't let nostalgia give me a heart attack every time Conroy isn't cast as Batman

He's just a voice and he is NOT the definitive Batman. Heck, there is no definitive Batman.

Also EliteF50, how come it's just an opinion when someone says they don't like Kevin Conroy but it's not just an opinion when you say Conroy is the best Batman ever. Your argument fails because I just saw a TDK clip on YouTube and everyone there was praising Christian Bale and his voice. You obviously mostly hang out in places dedicated to Conroy's Batman and that's why you see all that praise for him. That's why you won't see every single poster in this forum worshiping Conroy in this forum.

 

[The Joker]

Just because it's changed, that doesn't mean it's gotten worse. That may be your feelings towards it, but obviously the voice directors and fans don't mind, or else they would have said something.

The Simpsons has gotten worse and worse with each progressing season in recent years. Something most fans agree on. Even voice actor, Harry Shearer, has said the show has dramatically declined in quality in the last few years.

But they keep making the show and it keeps getting the high ratings and making the money.

You're hung up on the notion that people think Conroy is crap now or something. Nobody said that. Just that he's not as good as he was back in the day.

Exactly. All of this is subjective, there's really no point arguing about it. I thought Greenwood was terrible, but you liked him. I say Kevin is better than he's ever been, you say he's not. We're not going to convince each other otherwise.

I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I'm showing you that what you're saying is not a "truth" like you tried to claim to Fenrir. It's an opinion.

Glad to see you can see that now

 

[Fenrir]

Not only is that your opinion, it's an opinion not many people share. Actually, it's an opinion almost no one will share. Go to any forum (besides SHH), any website, any youtube video... everyone loves Kevin's Batman.

That is because not everyone will have heard Conroy's Batman voice for over 10 years spanning hundreds of TAS episodes. To such a person, the difference between Conroy's voice in say, On Leather Wings, and his voice in Gotham Knights stands out clear like a sore thumb. Sure, Conroy's voice is still good for what it is, but it is not as good as it was and now that he sounds less like the edgier Batman he was and more like another generic superhero, it has lost what made it so special, so unquestionably 'Batman' in the first place.

I love Keaton, but his voice is no where near as good as Kevin's... in anything he's ever done. In fact, Keaton's Batvoice was probably the weakest part of his performance. It was soft, too high pitched and inconsistant. Kevin's voice has progressed perfectly throughout the years. He doesn't sound young anymore, he's a man. A deep voiced man, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Funny you say that, because he actually sounds much younger to me now than he used to in the early seasons of TAS since his voice isn't as deep anymore.

 

[EliteF50]

I don't let nostalgia cloud my judgment either. I'm judging it purely from a Batfan's perspective, and I love it. I never said anything was fact. I am debating why I think Kevin is better than ever. Hell, I just finished saying this is all subjective. Everyone has their own opinion.

 

[EliteF50]

You're hung up on the notion that people think Conroy is crap now or something. Nobody said that. Just that he's not as good as he was back in the day.

It sure sounds like it...

I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I'm showing you that what you're saying is not a "truth" like you tried to claim to Fenrir. It's an opinion.

Glad to see you can see that now

That is because not everyone will have heard Conroy's Batman voice for over 10 years spanning hundreds of TAS episodes. To such a person, the difference between Conroy's voice in say, On Leather Wings, and his voice in Gotham Knights stands out clear like a sore thumb. Sure, Conroy's voice is still good for what it is, but it is not as good as it was and now that he sounds less like the edgier Batman he was and more like another generic superhero, it has lost what made it so special, so unquestionably 'Batman' in the first place.

Why are you comparing it to Gotham Knight? He mostly played a young Bruce in that movie, it's not even a fair comparison. Compare On Leather Wings to Arkham Asylum and you'll see that Kevin does indeed sound better.

Funny you say that, because he actually sounds much younger to me now than he used to in the early seasons of TAS since his voice isn't as deep anymore.

I think you're confused. There's a difference between rasp and depth. He had a higher pitched voice in TAS, so he used a rasp to make it sound older. Now it's pure depth with some slight rasp.

 

[KRMonkey]

I don't let nostalgia cloud my judgment either. I'm judging it purely from a Batfan's perspective, and I love it. I never said anything was fact. I am debating why I think Kevin is better than ever. Hell, I just finished saying this is all subjective. Everyone has their own opinion.

Yeah I was just responding to your previous post that said that not everyone shared that opinion and I read your other post after I was done with my post. Sorry about that.

However I still think that you can't base people's opinions on which Batman is better on a YouTube video. The only way to do figure it out would be to physically go out and ask every fan and that just isn't possible.

 

[EliteF50]

I'm not basing my opinion strictly off a Youtube video. I'm basing it off the multiple forums I visit, my friends in real life, comments on videos, reviews, websites and voice comparisons.

 

[Broseidon1901]

Question: on the imdb TDKR trivia section, it says 1) the plot is based heavily on the Knightfall saga and 2) Nolan casted Tom Hardy as Bane because of his performance in Bronson. Is any of this true? Or is IMDB as fallible as wikipedia?

 

[EliteF50]

IMDB isn't a good place for accurate information.