The Temple of Doomed Relationships

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Ohh, your so right!

Yep 9 years of marriage make a man immune to breakups from from attraction killing mistakes, such as: over eagerness to please, constant confessions of undying love easily offered and on a silver platter, and saying how much he needs her and is lost without her.

So avoiding such behaviors and showing active displays of non-needyness is you know, just playing meaningless games.

- these attraction killers must not matter, after a certain number of years, as nobody leaves her husband after the 8 year point.

I am all for keeping things interesting in a relationship and keeping the fire alive but resorting to games of making her say she this and that and intentionally not taking her calls just seems silly. Especially since she's 12 hours ahead of him, and it's not always a given that he would even be able to get to talk to her.
 
I am all for keeping things interesting in a relationship and keeping the fire alive but resorting to games of making her say she this and that and intentionally not taking her calls just seems silly. Especially since she's 12 hours ahead of him, and it's not always a given that he would even be able to get to talk to her.
Right. Those are games.

I'm certainly not against being coy and teasing your spouse to keep up the magic, but purposely not picking up her calls to play with her mind? Really?

They've already been married for almost 9 years with 3 kids, she's not exactly up and free to go to the next hot guy who shows up. You should change your tactics a bit in such a long-term relationship.

Unless you like the play the role-playing thing, of course. :funny: That's up to you, but for most people, their behavior throughout the different stages of a relationship should evolve as the relationship evolves.
 
It's not just a watch, it's him offering a token of his 'love', and her accepting it. It's not like he sent her comics or a book, which i would not have minded, it's a smart ass way of putting a ring on her, and she is smart enough to know that.
After all the things I have been accused of and put through the wringer for by her, *and* this guy, it just makes me angry, because I have done everything to prove to her that I would always stand by her and never leave her, and then she does this? and it's no big deal?
When we got together she didn't want me to hang onto any memories or mementos of my previous relationship, i had all this artwork I had done for my ex, and I ripped it all up! To prove to her I was with her now! even though she did not say it to me, that is what she wanted me to do, destroy such mementos.

I just feel like a chump for being accused of being a potential cheater and that I would leave her, when it was never a concept I thought I would ever be guilty of, and did my best to prove that.
*She should not accepted that kind of gift*, he was giving her a ring in all but name, and she accepted it. If I had done anything like that, forget it, the world would be tumbling down, him, her and all her friends would be accusing me of being a cheating bastard. They are all a bunch of hypocrites.
But, of course, it is different if she does it right? No, it isn't.

I think part of this is your fault, your gave in to her every demand and set the course of the relationship at that point. That she says jump, you say how high. She seems very insecure and probably took the watch to see how you'd react, it's probably a game she's playing. She doesn't see it as an engagement ring like you do, she sees it as a prop in a game. You've said the guy been trying to get in her pants for a good long while now, if she hasn't let him in yet, she's probably not going to. Best bet is to dump her and never look back because she's going to use everything in her power to get you back, you're just to fun to play with and manipulate for her. There's little love on her side if she's still playing games like this.
 
I think part of this is your fault, your gave in to her every demand and set the course of the relationship at that point. That she says jump, you say how high. She seems very insecure and probably took the watch to see how you'd react, it's probably a game she's playing. She doesn't see it as an engagement ring like you do, she sees it as a prop in a game. You've said the guy been trying to get in her pants for a good long while now, if she hasn't let him in yet, she's probably not going to. Best bet is to dump her and never look back because she's going to use everything in her power to get you back, you're just to fun to play with and manipulate for her. There's little love on her side if she's still playing games like this.
Oh I have no doubt that I loved my first bf despite my utter lack of respect for him and for myself. (Seriously, I look back on old me and I want to slap her, that's how pathetic I was. :funny: )

But it was an unhealthy kind of love, more like obsession and infatuation rather than the trusting love that lasts. When I think of my current bf, I feel warmth and home and contentment. In my first relationship, when I thought of my bf, I felt worry and insecurity and "OMG I need to make sure he's in my life forever." That's not healthy, and IMO both bum and his gf need some time to figure themselves out.
 
Ohh, your so right!

Yep 9 years of marriage make a man immune to breakups from from attraction killing mistakes, such as: over eagerness to please, constant confessions of undying love easily offered and on a silver platter, and saying how much he needs her and is lost without her.

So avoiding such behaviors and showing active displays of non-needyness is you know, just playing meaningless games.

- these attraction killers must not matter, after a certain number of years, as nobody leaves her husband after the 8 year point.
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I mean look, a lot of what you write is certainly stuff I'll do from time to time, and yeah, you should never completely abandon your 'edge'. All the games though should stop once y'all are pretty well established. The whole problem with all this 'nice guy' behavior is the timing. When it comes down to it I'm a really sweet and nice guy, I just don't act like I owe any of this to complete strangers. There is a purpose to 'the game' and really all 'the game' is rationing out your good qualities discriminately.

I don't play games with my friend Danielle. She's super hot, but we're friends, why play games? Maybe if I wanted the dynamic of our relationship to change I'll speak up. If you're happy with where things are at, there's no need to play games or change anything.

At some point, especially after you have kids, it's time to swallow your pride. Yeah, I'm Mr. Cool with a joint and all my hip little phrases...that ain't lasting forever though. How am I going to AMOG someone at 90? Not happening.

Everyone kind of works out their own relationship routine, may involve some of those 'attraction killers' but that wouldn't matter since you're already attracted to each other :hehe:

Sometimes those routines get stale, so it's good to spice things up but it, imo, is not going anywhere if you resort to the same tired tricks you used to pick her up.
 
I'll be living almost the same scenario at the end of the month. My wife of 8 1/2 years is going away on a work trip for about two + weeks. The biggest differences is I only one child to care for, although he is only 18 months so he's not doing anything for himself.

I know it will be a little stressful, but I'm also looking forward to the time alone with my son (I'm already very involved caring for him ... Baths, meals, getting up with him, etc).

As for the physical separation ... well, time to take matters into my own hands. :cwink: The PayPerView bill might be a little higher next month.


Good luck to you. Even when it gets stressful, try and enjoy the moment.

Good luck to the both of us! We're gonna need it!

THAT is all you are worried about? Lulz, google an instruction manual. I wish I could post a visual aid, but the mods hate that.

LOL! I know how, I just don't want to. Hey! Maybe I should get a fleshlight!:oldrazz:
 
Right. Those are games.

I'm certainly not against being coy and teasing your spouse to keep up the magic, but purposely not picking up her calls to play with her mind? Really?

Yeah, really. I think a big mistake many men make is making themselves overly available.

Its not to play with her mind. Only man jawed "no others options in the event of a breakup" kind of women freak out when men are sometimes unavailable, the same way wimpy limp wristed men freak out if their girl does not pick up the phone. In most cases being a little unavailable can do a lot to build sparks, at any stage of a relationship.

By that I don’t mean going over board and not taking any of her calls, that would be silly, but yes, once in a while, I say don’t pick up.
 
I am all for keeping things interesting in a relationship and keeping the fire alive but resorting to games of making her say she this and that and intentionally not taking her calls just seems silly. Especially since she's 12 hours ahead of him, and it's not always a given that he would even be able to get to talk to her.

I agree completely. Being playful is one thing, silly games for the sake of maintaining the upper hand or to keep her guessing or whatever, just seem ridiculous. Those games would accomplish absolutely zero with my wife and would actually be counterproductive. In fact ... I think it would just hurt her feelings and make her feel worse about being away.
 
:doh:

I mean look, a lot of what you write is certainly stuff I'll do from time to time, and yeah, you should never completely abandon your 'edge'. All the games though should stop once y'all are pretty well established. The whole problem with all this 'nice guy' behavior is the timing. When it comes down to it I'm a really sweet and nice guy, I just don't act like I owe any of this to complete strangers. There is a purpose to 'the game' and really all 'the game' is rationing out your good qualities discriminately.

I don't play games with my friend Danielle. She's super hot, but we're friends, why play games? Maybe if I wanted the dynamic of our relationship to change I'll speak up. If you're happy with where things are at, there's no need to play games or change anything.

At some point, especially after you have kids, it's time to swallow your pride. Yeah, I'm Mr. Cool with a joint and all my hip little phrases...that ain't lasting forever though. How am I going to AMOG someone at 90? Not happening.

Everyone kind of works out their own relationship routine, may involve some of those 'attraction killers' but that wouldn't matter since you're already attracted to each other :hehe:

Sometimes those routines get stale, so it's good to spice things up but it, imo, is not going anywhere if you resort to the same tired tricks you used to pick her up.

Nobody said you have to go to the extent you would when pickup, but you got to maintain at least a little bit of it. Don't be overly available, and never stop the playful teasing.

When you say that at some point those attraction killers do not matter you are forgetting about they extremely high% of women that divorce (dump) men after being married for many years, even when kids are involved.
 
SuperMike, I get where you're going most of the time, but I think you might have missed the mark on this one.

Work and travel schedules are crazy enough that missed phone calls are going to happen naturally. Purposely "missing" calls seems silly, at least to me.

Personally, I don't mind my wife knowing that she's missed and appreciated back home. Like I mentioned previously, playing those games with her would only make her feel awful about being away.
 
SuperMike, I get where you're going most of the time, but I think you might have missed the mark on this one.

Work and travel schedules are crazy enough that missed phone calls are going to happen naturally. Purposely "missing" calls seems silly, at least to me.

Personally, I don't mind my wife knowing that she's missed and appreciated back home. Like I mentioned previously, playing those games with her would only make her feel awful about being away.

Yeah I agree here. My wife and I set up times to skype with the kids so they can talk to and see Mommy. Games are silly in this situation.
 
Nobody said you have to go to the extent you would when pickup, but you got to maintain at least a little bit of it. Don't be overly available, and never stop the playful teasing.

When you say that at some point those attraction killers do not matter you are forgetting about they extremely high% of women that divorce (dump) men after being married for many years, even when kids are involved.
There are a lot of divorces for two reasons:

Relationships are hard, always. Whether it's business or pleasure. There's a lot of business relationships that go sour. I'd say the majority do. There are a lot of male and female friendships that go south, in fact I'd say the majority of them do. The second reason is we are free to divorce in this country.

Do you realize how many 'best friends' I've had:huh: How many girls I thought might work out. To a certain extent maybe there were things that I could've done differently, but most importantly I don't take it personally. Games are 'getting laid' skills, that's all. They aren't for raising families or interacting with spouses. I don't live with the girls I play "games" with, similarly I don't play games with people I deal with frequently. It's just not smart in the long term. Just like my co-workers, a spouse is someone you deal with everyday. Spice is nice, but sugar is sweeter, and if you really love someone you don't try to exert control over their fragile psyche's to keep them around.
 
I know a girl who I think is a prime example of one of the reasons why there are so many divorces in this Country. Was so infatuated and loved this guy. After a while started to count the days as to when he would propose, pretty much giving him ultimatums, and eventually he folded and did it.

A few years later, she got what she wanted, but instead she's with a guy who rather play video games, expects her to take care of the kid, etc. and how different it turned out once they were married. A lot of people are just into getting married that they barely know the people they are with. I wouldn't be surprised if they broke up.
 
I think part of this is your fault, your gave in to her every demand and set the course of the relationship at that point. That she says jump, you say how high. She seems very insecure and probably took the watch to see how you'd react, it's probably a game she's playing. She doesn't see it as an engagement ring like you do, she sees it as a prop in a game. You've said the guy been trying to get in her pants for a good long while now, if she hasn't let him in yet, she's probably not going to. Best bet is to dump her and never look back because she's going to use everything in her power to get you back, you're just to fun to play with and manipulate for her. There's little love on her side if she's still playing games like this.

To the bolded part first of all...no, she does love me, I know this, but last night I was seriously starting to think she had been conducting an affair with this guy for a while, and the you-know-watch was a signal to me to leave her, and go find someone else.
But, I think she is just concerned that I would leave her somewhere down the line, and was testing me, because I am not that exprienced in relationships.

Anyway, I did overreact, the green eyed monster rose and I honestly did feel like there was a double standard here, given what I have done to prove to her that I am not interested in anyone else.
I hope she doesn't dump me, and gives me a chance, because, I should trust her, it's just, I think that if I was wearing a watch given to me by a woman who had feelings for me, whether an ex or someone trying to break up the relationship by courting me, then it would not sit well with her either.
Because it is not like a book or a comic or whatever, it's a personal gift of jewellery, and it's like she is carrying him around with her.

Maybe i am reading too much into that side of things, but she has read lots of things into stuff I have done, and flaked out as well.

I guess we are just both scared that the other will leave or prefers someone else, because we are scared of getting hurt, cause this one would hurt more than any other, believe me, and I think it would be the same for her.

So, hopefully we can still work things out and she can forgive me for my horrible behaviour last night, I was losing the plot a bit, true love can be scary in that regard, esp right now, considering the circumstances I am in, where I need to be working an important job. Because, even if i don't get angry, even if i handle the depression of a break up, it affects your sleep, it's a nightmare for doing that, and i need to sleep as much as possible or my job is screwed.
 
Yeah, really. I think a big mistake many men make is making themselves overly available.

Its not to play with her mind. Only man jawed "no others options in the event of a breakup" kind of women freak out when men are sometimes unavailable, the same way wimpy limp wristed men freak out if their girl does not pick up the phone. In most cases being a little unavailable can do a lot to build sparks, at any stage of a relationship.

By that I don’t mean going over board and not taking any of her calls, that would be silly, but yes, once in a while, I say don’t pick up.
Yeah but when you have a 12-hr time zone difference, when someone wants to call and you don't pick up and you know there's a short window of doing it, that makes you a *****ebag.

I mean, God forbid what if she mostly wants to talk to the kids and not you?? You're going to deny her that for the sake of keeping sparks? I'd say that'd be absolutely counterproductive.
 
I think you and her have to have a serious sit down discussion on the future of your relationship. Like I said previously, there doesn't seem to be any trust and a lack in communication in your relationship if these insecurities are jeopardizing your two.
 
To the bolded part first of all...no, she does love me, I know this, but last night I was seriously starting to think she had been conducting an affair with this guy for a while, and the you-know-watch was a signal to me to leave her, and go find someone else.
But, I think she is just concerned that I would leave her somewhere down the line, and was testing me, because I am not that exprienced in relationships.
Dude, I'm not either, but you don't have to be. What you have to do is respect her, and respect yourself. That's all you basically need.

I've known people who've had dozens of relationships that don't last because they don't know that.
 
It is a very unique type of relationship, so a lot of the regular rules don't apply right now. If you ask me to explain this, don't expect an answer, anyway, I'm gonna stop talking about it now, thanks.
 
Worst case scenario: If someone is doing something, like cheating, because of distance, or what have you, then no 'games' will save that marriage. In fact it was probably over long before anything ever went down.
 
Nobody said you have to go to the extent you would when pickup, but you got to maintain at least a little bit of it. Don't be overly available, and never stop the playful teasing.

When you say that at some point those attraction killers do not matter you are forgetting about they extremely high% of women that divorce (dump) men after being married for many years, even when kids are involved.

I really don't understand playing games when you're in an established relationship. Even in the begining stages I didn't play games, I wouldn't just roll over and do whatever my girlfriend wanted, I was just straightforward with what I wanted and asked her to be the same. It's served us very well. We both had plenty of things going on in our lives when we started dating, so we weren't overly available to each other as it was, I communicated when I was available. I think playing the "don't pick up game" when you're married and/or living together is dangerous, you should pretty much know the other person's routine and be able to communicate when you're going somewhere. Now let's throw the "don't pick up the phone" game into the mix, all the sudden there are some times when you bf/gf/husband/wife isn't picking up the phone, this would probably lead to suspicion about where they are. You were just going to see Spider-Man 3 or to your fantasy baseball draft (sorry saw Knocked Up over the weekend), but your wife thinks you're now cheating because you wanted to play a little game and spice things up.

Playful teasing on the other hand is always fun, because it is playful and can't be seen as you hiding something.
 
It is a very unique type of relationship, so a lot of the regular rules don't apply right now. If you ask me to explain this, don't expect an answer, anyway, I'm gonna stop talking about it now, thanks.

Every relationship is unique, but the foundation should always be built on trust and respect. Your relationship seems to be built on jealousy and distrust, not a very good foundation. Although hey, it's obviously working well for you.
 
edit: sorry, editing this, you can only go by what I have typed up, you don't know what is going on really.
 
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