BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 1

[InspecktahDeck]

Superman fanboys like Angry Joe will be raging, I'm fine from what I've read about Supes but just hope he gets bad ass moments and returns in JL even more powerful or something and leads the team.

Hey I'm probably worse than he is and I'm more than fine if the final movie is anything like the leaked account posted here last night.

Death and Return weren't bad stories. People act like they are just because they involve a character coming back but that had been happening for decades before hand.

Continuity don't mean jack **** and neither do "rules", only if a story is entertaining. Just because Max Landis convinced a bunch of impressionable non-comic readers that the Death of Superman was a bad story with some unfunny video doesn't mean it really was or that it's a bad idea for a movie series.

 

[AbradolfLincler]

No not the character about something that happens to him in the film. As someone who us trying to steer clear of spoilers (at least a little) I just heard that Supes fans who were worried about him being shortchanged for Batman had their fears justified.

You're trying to avoid spoilers yet you're in here?

And I'm guessing he gets shortchanged because he loses the fight.

 

[RF20Lennon]

I'm still unsure about Lex holding Ma Kent over Supes' head for him to fight Bats. Then you can't really get pumped and enjoy the fight considering Superman doesn't really want to and both guys aren't IN IT if you get what I mean.

 

[AnneFan]

Death and Return are up there as being some of my favourite Superman stories. I could write a good defence of them, but not right now.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

You're trying to avoid spoilers yet you're in here?

And I'm guessing he gets shortchanged because he loses the fight.

Did you miss the parenthesis? Should I have made it bold as well?

 

[Herolee10]

Hey I'm probably worse than he is and I'm more than fine if the final movie is anything like the leaked account posted here last night.

Death and Return weren't bad stories. People act like they are just because they involve a character coming back but that had been happening for decades before hand.

Continuity don't mean jack **** and neither do "rules", only if a story is entertaining. Just because Max Landis convinced a bunch of impressionable non-comic readers that the Death of Superman was a bad story with some unfunny video doesn't mean it really was or that it's a bad idea for a movie series.

This isn't me having a meltdown or anything like that but I wonder if it would have been better to have devoted a solo superman film to tell his return story rather than having to juggle that with the introduction of the jl.

In the Death and Return arc in the comics, a lot of stuff went down in between those two events.

And theoretically speaking, I wonder what the general consensus will be around here on whether people think that superman is still technically dead at the end 9f BvS or just in a coma state?

 

[hitmanyr2k]

I'm still unsure about Lex holding Ma Kent over Supes' head for him to fight Bats. Then you can't really get pumped and enjoy the fight considering Superman doesn't really want to and both guys aren't IN IT if you get what I mean.

I was in disbelief when reading that part and hoped it was fake. If that's the reason they fight that's freakin weak.

 

[Rapunzel]

The Ma Kent thing is weird, imo. We've seen the shot of her surprised in the restaurant, and seeing as nothing else was mentioned about that, I assume that means she was kidnapped from the diner? So she's jacked in front of a crowd of people? Sounds sloppy.

 

[TDKR1977]

This is all assuming the early reports are legit. And I'm betting they aren't.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Hey I'm probably worse than he is and I'm more than fine if the final movie is anything like the leaked account posted here last night.

If you're worse than Joe and your happy then I'm going to assume its not so bad.
The movie is less than a week away so I've let in some hints. From what I've heard at least about the BIG spoiler, I know how DC is planning their universe.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

We'll know in a few hours. Mexico City event starts at 9PM there which is like 11PM EST. Not sure for other time zones.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

If you're worse than Joe and your happy then I'm going to assume its not so bad.
The movie is less than a week away so I've let in some hints. From what I've heard at least about the BIG spoiler, I know how DC is planning their universe.

Heh, I don't have an internet persona about ranting or being mad nor a webshow, so maybe some wouldn't see me as bad.

Well I honestly love New52 Superman as much as Pre and Post crisis so I'm not sure where that ranks me on the scale. I don't have much problem with how he was portrayed in MoS either.

I just think the writers screwed up by not having him rescue Pa. That's my number 1 complaint with the movie that I refuse to budge on, other than that, I liked it.

I like the reasons I've heard for Clark's fight and it doesn't sound biased in favor of Batman assuming they're true, and I think the ending says a lot about Clark's character, again, assuming it's true.

 

[brandeezy89]

The Ma Kent thing is weird, imo. We've seen the shot of her surprised in the restaurant, and seeing as nothing else was mentioned about that, I assume that means she was kidnapped from the diner? So she's jacked in front of a crowd of people? Sounds sloppy.

This, there's a lot of things that don't make sense

- The courthouse blows up, Supes just leaves the area to the Mountains and a random dream pops up

- Bruce is encrypting a file and he has a random Knightmare

- Scoot's character spray paints a giant statue even though he's crippled

- No LexOS mention

- No KG Beast mention

- A hearing about "Black Zero" 2 years later

 

[TX85]

I love those stories too but it's great that instead of having Doomsday kill Superman here, Supes sacrifices himself to destroy Doomsday and thus saving the world.

The ultimate saracfice by the ultimate super hero, His death changes Batman and inspires other heroes then his return will be very welcomed to take care of the threat in JL and hopefully he ends up leading the team or something by the end of that film

 

[vantheman77]

If Superman fans are complaining about the film, I was right. I've said from the start that they have to please both Superman and Batman fans. Unfortunately, Batman fans were pleased while Superman fans were not.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

I was worried about Superman getting the short end of the stick - but while it happens occasionally in comics, this is a giant movie that's pitting the two biggest superheroes of all time against eachother. Are they really going to try and make one look worse than the other?

I mean, I can't put it past them, but I just hope someone at WB knows what a colossally dumb move that would be.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

As a huge Superman fan, I am enormously pleased if the synopsis turns out to be true. I love that Superman doesn't engage Batman willingly, and I love that he is the film's true hero at the end.

Besides, Superman will have enough reason to want to punch Batman anyway. We know he spends the film investigating him. It's just Superman is more willing to set aside their rivalry when more is at stake.

 

[AbradolfLincler]

Did you miss the parenthesis? Should I have made it bold as well?

That doesn't change anything. This thread is called the UNABASHED spoiler thread. Anything and everything we get our hands on will make its way into this thread, and it's entirely possible that the entire film has already been spoiled. All I'm saying is that this probably isn't the best place for you.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Heh, I don't have an internet persona about ranting or being mad nor a webshow, so maybe some wouldn't see me as bad.

Well I honestly love New52 Superman as much as Pre and Post crisis so I'm not sure where that ranks me on the scale. I don't have much problem with how he was portrayed in MoS either.

I just think the writers screwed up by not having him rescue Pa. That's my number 1 complaint with the movie that I refuse to budge on, other than that, I liked it.

I like the reasons I've heard for Clark's fight and it doesn't sound biased in favor of Batman assuming they're true, and I think the ending says a lot about Clark's character, again, assuming it's true.

Hmm well I don't like New 52 but I'm a huge Lois Lane fan. But I agree with you that a huge complaint was Daddy Kent's death or tornadocide as I call it. That was also my #1, other than that I think some simply scene switches would have caused some of the complaints to go away.
I'm just hoping for a balanced movie for both Supes and Bat fans that will have both walking away at least satisfied.

 

[misslane38]

I'm still unsure about Lex holding Ma Kent over Supes' head for him to fight Bats. Then you can't really get pumped and enjoy the fight considering Superman doesn't really want to and both guys aren't IN IT if you get what I mean.

I was in disbelief when reading that part and hoped it was fake. If that's the reason they fight that's freakin weak.

Isn't it for the best, though? I don't want a Superman who would fight another man -- even to the death -- just because of a difference of opinion when it comes to crime fighting or because he thinks Batman is too hard on the criminal element. I think this is meant to be a direct challenge and parallel to the fight with Zod in that Superman would want to avoid engaging in a potentially collateral damage creating brawl that could, in this case, legitimately hurt a mortal man.

Lex only gets his "fight night" because he uses Superman's humanity against him -- the exact thing that Batman and the public fears Superman lacks. The only way that Superman will even put up a fight that could potentially kill Batman is because he has people he loves at stake; otherwise, he would hold back due to his own moral imperative. I like that, and it works a lot better than fighting over ideologies, since you can't kill ideas with violence.

A fight wouldn't change either of their perspectives, and Superman would only prove Batman right if Superman willingly fought him to the death just because he didn't approve of the way Batman dealt with crime in Gotham or he didn't like that Batman disapproved of him. He would be proving to Batman that he's a god who would get his way by force. Superman only fighting because he's being pressured to do so for reasons that are appealing to his heart and his humanity allows for Superman to do what a ideologically motivated fight wouldn't, which is to ultimately move Batman to see Superman's humanity and vulnerability. It allows them to transcend their differences in a way that sets them more effectively on the path to bond as teammates and friends. A mere fight because of a difference of opinion wouldn't have accomplished that, I don't think.

 

[vantheman77]

I was worried about Superman getting the short end of the stick - but while it happens occasionally in comics, this is a giant movie that's pitting the two biggest superheroes of all time against eachother. Are they really going to try and make one look worse than the other?

I mean, I can't put it past them, but I just hope someone at WB knows what a colossally dumb move that would be.

If they are, then they have failed. These are not just two heroes, but the main superheroes we wanted onscreen together as equals.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Hmm well I don't like New 52 but I'm a huge Lois Lane fan. But I agree with you that a huge complaint was Daddy Kent's death or tornadocide as I call it. That was also my #1, other than that I think some simply scene switches would have caused some of the complaints to go away.
I'm just hoping for a balanced movie for both Supes and Bat fans that will have both walking away at least satisfied.

It seems you don't want it spoiled for you, but I can tell you - if the movie is like the previous spoilers - then Superman walks away at the end as having been the most heroic and getting "the" moment in the film.

I just hope it's similar and we weren't dicked around.

 

[revenant78]

The name El is quite literally the Semitic word for god. That's not a coincidence when the creators of Superman - Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster - were both Jewish. So just stop. Because you're wrong. Even if they didn't overplay that angle, that is quite clearly the influence. Jor-El was always meant to be a God-like figure sending his only begotten son to Earth. No, he didn't intend on his son saving humanity. But there is no coincidence to Jor-El being named El, and his house being the House of El. By the time it was decided that Jor-L, later Jor-el, would be Jor-El (with the E capitalized), then they were making that statement.

I thought this was common knowledge...that Supes is a Moses or Masiah-type figure

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

He would be proving to Batman that he's a god who would get his way by force.

Yes! I love Lex's reasoning: a god can't be good if he's almighty, but if he's good then he is no god.

 

[mos6142]

this is what verendus( corp executive that has seen movie) is saying about leaks so far:

How often does a movie get spoiled by early leaks? And would this be the first time a tentpole movie has avoided any major spoilers before a premiere? (It's obviously over after the Mexico premiere since spoilers will finally be unleashed in full force.) Did Star Wars, The Dark Knight, and various other big movies get away like BvS pretty much has?

Because, you have to admit, Warner Bros. has done a pretty decent job here

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=198697779&postcount=7879


basically all the reddit leaks were ********