BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 3

[NateHevens]

Yeah it's a valid feeling to have, even in the Dark Knight Returns Batman says "all the people I've murdered by letting you live". Batman knows he should kill him but he can't bring himself to do it. I've always felt Bruce may say he wants to hang up the cape and cowl but he doesn't want to. I think keeping the Joker around also means he needs to be Batman and he doesn't want to lose that. I dunno maybe I'm not explaining it well enough.

An addiction of sorts? I can see that...

 

[Ninjablade]

It honestly doesn't make a difference to me if Batman kills as long as it isn't excessive, and if he doesn't straight shoot someone from point blank (similar to his parent's deaths). I've never found it all that integral to the character.

The thing is when it comes to the Joker, I've always thought of it as, Batman doesn't kill him because of some dead set rule of his, but because he feels that if he does he proves Joker's point. To me I've always viewed the Joker's actions as simply trying to push people over the edge into insanity like him, yet he can't do it to Batman. That's why he comes coming back and killing more and more. The Joker wants Batman to kill him, which is exactly why Batman won't kill him.

Do I think it's illogical and stupid? Yes, but hey have to have some suspension of disbelief.

 

[alexandersen]

No he doesn't because the League doesn't kill.

another reason why we wont have proper JL movies now, because batman just kills, it just wont fit, and i was so excited for DC kicking Marvels ass, having heroes WITHOUT killing.

 

[Ninjablade]

I think keeping the Joker around also means he need to be Batman and he doesn't want to lose that. I dunno maybe I'm not explaining it well enough.

I really like this theory. Very plausible.

 

[Rapunzel]

Yeah it's a valid feeling to have, even in the Dark Knight Returns Batman says "all the people I've murdered by letting you live". Batman knows he should kil him but he can't bring himself to do it. Ive always felt Bruce may say he wants to hang up the cape and cowl but he doesn't want to. I think keeping the Joker around also means he need to be Batman and he doesn't want to lose that. I dunno maybe I'm not explaining it well enough.

I understand what you're saying. Bats is the Dark Knight. He can't exist without the darkness. That's Joker. So there's a subconscious desire to keep him around.

I also think there's a part of Bats that knows killing Joker would unleash a darkness in him that he'd never recover from. It's a line he doesn't cross cause crossing it would turn him unhinged. It's like not killing Joker is the restraint that keeps him from being what he hunts down.

 

[Lando81]

another reason why we wont have proper JL movies now, because batman just kills, it just wont fit, and i was so excited for DC kicking Marvels ass, having heroes WITHOUT killing.

You're a top notch troll.

 

[Poni_Boy]

There's also a big difference between murder and manslaughter. I always felt Bats was strictly opposed to the former but was iffy on the later (i.e. if a criminal put themselves in a position of harm which led to their death). For me at least Batman's "no guns" policy was always more important than a "no kill" policy.

 

[Rapunzel]

It honestly doesn't make a difference to me if Batman kills as long as it isn't excessive, and if he doesn't straight shoot someone from point blank (similar to his parent's deaths). I've never found it all that integral to the character.

The thing is when it comes to the Joker, I've always thought of it as, Batman doesn't kill him because of some dead set rule of his, but because he feels that if he does he proves Joker's point. To me I've always viewed the Joker's actions as simply trying to push people over the edge into insanity like him, yet he can't do it to Batman. That's why he comes coming back and killing more and more. The Joker wants Batman to kill him, which is exactly why Batman won't kill him.

Do I think it's illogical and stupid? Yes, but hey have to have some suspension of disbelief.

I think this is spot on.

 

[NateHevens]

I understand what you're saying. Bats is the Dark Knight. He can't exist without the darkness. That's Joker. So there's a subconscious desire to keep him around.

I also think there's a part of Bats that knows killing Joker would unleash a darkness in him that he'd never recover from. It's a line he doesn't cross cause crossing it would turn him unhinged. It's like not killing Joker is the restraint that keeps him from being what he hunts down.

Is it, though? The Joker pushes everything to the limits in the most extremes way possible.

It'd be one thing if Batman killed, say, Falcone, or Two-Face, or the Ridder, or even Poison Ivy. Then yeah... I would say he's gone too far. But I'm not sure that's true with the Joker. I know Batman thinks that, but I think Batman is actually wrong.

And I'm not talking about torturing Joker, FYI. That would be too far. Just... I actually like how it played out in Batman '89. He simply let the Joker fall. I'm okay with that.

 

[brandeezy89]

another reason why we wont have proper JL movies now, because batman just kills, it just wont fit, and i was so excited for DC kicking Marvels ass, having heroes WITHOUT killing.

Smh, who cares

 

[DaJanksta]

Lmao. Probably just trolls anyway. They're all new accounts

 

[Rapunzel]

another reason why we wont have proper JL movies now, because batman just kills, it just wont fit, and i was so excited for DC kicking Marvels ass, having heroes WITHOUT killing.

MoS already had killing....so why should it being in BvS bug you?

 

[Rain in Gotham]

Good example is when bat man dealt with kg beast

 

[Poni_Boy]

View attachment 8721Good example is when bat man dealt with kg beast

Exactly 👍🏻

 

[alexandersen]

im not a troll, im a sad fan.
and batman killing in comics happens so rarely, especially during the last 10 years, it is not normal for him gunning down people and blowing them up, which he does in BvS.
dont act like im trolling.

 

[Plaidchuck]

Where were you guys at when people were raging about him letting Ras die in BB.

 

[BH/HHH]

An addiction of sorts? I can see that...

I really like this theory. Very plausible.

I understand what you're saying. Bats is the Dark Knight. He can't exist without the darkness. That's Joker. So there's a subconscious desire to keep him around.

I also think there's a part of Bats that knows killing Joker would unleash a darkness in him that he'd never recover from. It's a line he doesn't cross cause crossing it would turn him unhinged. It's like not killing Joker is the restraint that keeps him from being what he hunts down.

Thanks lol I had a thought at first but then I felt like I was rambling lol
But yeah a subconscious desire is a great way of saying it.

Rapunzel my thery may be a little off but your second part regarding killing the Joker unleashing a darkness in him is undeniable.

 

[Rain in Gotham]

Alfred could be in control of the batwing at that time.....anyway you're still seeing the film and if you Don't because of the reason you've stated, well bad news for you.

 

[Nygma29]

Can anyone who has seen the movie tell me what the Flash scene was like? Did we see the Flash in his suit? Was it a clear image?

 

[Rain in Gotham]

Can anyone who has seen the movie tell me what the Flash scene was like? Did we see the Flash in his suit? Was it a clear image?

What I've heard is that you see him 2/3 time's once out of suit and the others in suit

 

[king666]

Ok, quick question.

Is Batman a killer in BvS? Is that confirmed?

 

[Guts]

If the plot description about the movie ending with Superman's heart beating while he's in his coffin, then that is a reference to Man of Steel. In Man of Steel, Clark's first scene is his birth and his heart beating and BvS ends with Superman's heart beating.

 

[alexandersen]

Ok, quick question.

Is Batman a killer in BvS? Is that confirmed?

hes not called a "killer" in the move, but yes he kills around 10 people in the movie.

 

[BH/HHH]

If the plot description about the movie ending with Superman's heart beating while he's in his coffin, then that is a reference to Man of Steel. In Man of Steel, Clark's last scene is his birth and his heart beating and BvS ends with Superman's heart beating.

Oh wow you're right, nice

 

[Ninjablade]

Ok, quick question.

Is Batman a killer in BvS? Is that confirmed?

I think it has been stated that Batman blows up the SUV's with the Batwing as seen in the trailers, and that in the warehouse scene he jams a flamethrower and when the person tries to use it, the flamethrower explodes burning the main alive. Those are the two closest things to Batman actually killing someone.

Though it's revealed that the Bat brand is saved for the worst of criminals (rapists, people traffickers, etc.) and that basically sentences you to life in prison.