BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 4

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Read above post. Might take two viewings to notice it fully. Dude is clearly dead. It's like saying flamethrower guy could have survived.

lol. if u hate it, no matter what he did, you will still find a way to hate it.
u made the assumption yourself.

 

[Galactus123]

I haven't read the comics so I'm not sure about this. How Superman comes back to life? Does he have some regeneration power?

 

[bbasher]

It's also a comic book movie and isn't as grounded as Nolan's films were so I suspend a little more realism with this DCEU. Grenade guys, ok fine. Flamethrower and Warlord are ambiguous to me.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

There's a meme out there that I can't find, but it lists quite a bit of comebacks. Loki (x2), Fury, Cap, Pepper to name a few.

yeah, but I mean, REALLY dead and then brought back, not fake dead

 

[HKpowerup]

He charged at that guy at almost the same speed as he did against Zod on top of the skyscraper, and against Faora into the truck. I'll be surprised if he's not dead.

 

[hafizbat]

I don't agree that it's clear he's dead at all. You can say he was killed and it's clear he's dead all you want, but it's not.

And if he's not dead, what's the point of all the hubbub about Superman being responsible for the deaths that occurred in that incident, and Lois giving him a talk about guilt?

The guy was dead. And if he wasn't, all the reaction from the world was even more contrived.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Meh, Supes said he didn't kill anyone. So, suspension of disbelief tells me the warlord survived. I just assumed he maneuvered himself to take the force of hitting the wall. Or punched his way through.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Yeah true Jekecy, very true.

@Poni: oh yeah those guys totally are, no problem with Batman.

 

[Da-Scribe]

And if he's not dead, what's the point of all the hubbub about Superman being responsible for the deaths that occurred in that incident, and Lois giving him a talk about guilt?

The guy was dead. And if he wasn't, all the reaction from the world was even more contrived.

What I got from the whole thing was that Lex intentionally sent his goons there to put the fear into Lois and lure Supes out. The moment Supes appeared, they needed to execute everyone that was there. The point was to get people think that Superman didn't do what was needed to save people. Even that more people died BECAUSE Superman showed up in the first place. A god that is all good cannot be all powerful. A god that is all powerful cannot be all good.

That's what I gathered. Lex just wanted to push the conversation about the necessity of Superman even further.

 

[Galactus123]

I liked that they used the An Ideal of Hope music from Man of Steel. It really helped the scenes.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

What I got from the whole thing was that Lex intentionally sent his goons there to put the fear into Lois and lure Supes out. The moment Supes appeared, they needed to execute everyone that was there. The point was to get people think that Superman didn't do what was needed to save people. Even that more people died BECAUSE Superman showed up in the first place. A god that is all good cannot be all powerful. A god that is all powerful cannot be all good.

That's what I gathered. Lex just wanted to push the conversation about the necessity of Superman even further.

I think you nailed it.

 

[HKpowerup]

Does anyone know the name on the soundtrack of the score used when we see the first photos of Wonder Woman in the film? Or when she makes her first appearance as WW in the battle vs. Doomsday? Fantastic track.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Does anyone the name on the soundtrack of the score used when we see the first photos of Wonder Woman in the film? Or when she makes her first appearance as WW in the battle vs. Doomsday? Fantastic track.

Is She With You

 

[JaD]

Did anybody else just love the bit where we see that picture of Wonder Woman dated 1918 during WW1 during the email exchange? The tense build up and score was brilliant. And her entrance was great when she deflected Doomday's blast.

Yeah, I got chills when Bruce was looking at the picture of Diana from 1918. I thought it was great. It's too bad we didn't hear more about the photograph and why exactly she was after it.

 

[JaD]

Nope, it's when she demands to use the helicopter, he tells her NO many times at first and then she says something like it's NOT for a story, giving him a pleading look as if she was saying "It's for Clark!"

They remain silent for a few seconds staring at each other, and he changes his attitude letting her take it.

Ohhh, well. Perry saw Lois kissing Superman in MoS, so I figured he knows they have a thing. I don't think it was for Clark but more for helping Superman.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Yeah, I got chills when Bruce was looking at the picture of Diana from 1918. I thought it was great. It's too bad we didn't hear more about the photograph and why exactly she was after it.

I figured she wanted it, because it was proof she was a metahuman. She'd been laying low for a century, now suddenly some psychopath had the means to lift the veil, in a time where public distrust of metas was presumably at a high. I think she wanted it to destroy evidence of her existence.

 

[Cats]

And if he's not dead, what's the point of all the hubbub about Superman being responsible for the deaths that occurred in that incident, and Lois giving him a talk about guilt?

The guy was dead. And if he wasn't, all the reaction from the world was even more contrived.

This is what I believe happened (although there was some talking through this part so I missed a bit of it):

The Russian guy executed everyone at the scene, and somehow they cleared all the bullets save for one that they missed, that's why Lois was obsessed with it, because it was made to seem that Superman was responsible for their disappearances.

There might've been a scene cut from here, but the warlord went missing, and (conspiratorial) I don't think it was directly Superman's fault. I take it he was handed to the authorities, but Lex probably paid for the warlord to be executed like the rest, buried, and the story dead with anyone involved. Which is probably what Clark and Lois are guilty about.

 

[Cats]

I understood it as Superman willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, to die to save a world that currently hates him. Rather than just trying to have a Superman death.

I thought it was a needed ending to all the questions surrounding his trustworthiness. I also doubt he thought he was going to die going up against Doomsday, but things like that just happen.

 

[hafizbat]

Meh, Supes said he didn't kill anyone. So, suspension of disbelief tells me the warlord survived. I just assumed he maneuvered himself to take the force of hitting the wall. Or punched his way through.

If they wanted it to be clear that he didn't kill him, they could have done so.

All it would take would be the heat vision heating up the gun, or a million other things a guy with the powers of Superman can do. He could reach the bullet before it could even hit Lois.

Yet they decided to have him ram the man with the force of a train, through two buildings.

 

[Poni_Boy]

If they wanted it to be clear that he didn't kill him, they could have done so.

All it would take would be the heat vision heating up the gun, or a million other things a guy with the powers of Superman can do. He could reach the bullet before it could even hit Lois.

Yet they decided to have him ram the man with the force of a train, through two buildings.

This Supes doesn't really have a versatile power skill set. As much as I dislike Superman Returns they did go out of their way to showcase all of his powers. This one has no finesse, it's all strength based aside from the hearing.

 

[Da-Scribe]

If they wanted it to be clear that he didn't kill him, they could have done so.

All it would take would be the heat vision heating up the gun, or a million other things a guy with the powers of Superman can do. He could reach the bullet before it could even hit Lois.

Yet they decided to have him ram the man with the force of a train, through two buildings.

It was clear to me. Nothing in either film had indicated that he'd just murder a regular human like that. So, when Clark says he didn't kill anyone, I believe him. If he just like punched the guys face in, then no, I wouldn't believe him. But nothing so obviously one-sided happened. But, I can certainly see why you feel differently. It could've been handled better. I'm just saying it was enough for me.

 

[hafizbat]

This Supes doesn't really have a versatile power skill set. As much as I dislike Superman Returns they did go out of their way to showcase all of his powers. This one has no finesse, it's all strength based aside from the hearing.

Hearing which is so convenient that he's able to find Lois in the middle of a desert across the world, falling from a building in a huge Metropolis, and even when she's drowning underwater in the middle of a fight for his life against Doomsday.

Yet he remarkably can't find his own mother when she's in the same city.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

http://heroichollywood.com/ben-affleck-confirms-working-geoff-johns-dc/

Come on Ben, stop jerking us around and announce you're directing that solo Batman film

 

[KGBANE]

http://heroichollywood.com/ben-affleck-confirms-working-geoff-johns-dc/

Come on Ben, stop jerking us around and announce you're directing that solo Batman film

omg thanks for posting this! it sounds like Ben is pretty much confirming it....YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Andreth]

Hearing which is so convenient that he's able to find Lois in the middle of a desert across the world, falling from a building in a huge Metropolis, and even when she's drowning underwater in the middle of a fight for his life against Doomsday.

Yet he remarkably can't find his own mother when she's in the same city.

He's in sync with her heartbeat in the pre- new 52 comics. Just with hers.
I don't remember how he did it but it has been shown in many stories and even in the tv show smallville if I remember correctly. I only watched a few seasons. That's how he is able to find her everywhere.