BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 4

[Jekecy]

It was really weird and terrible seeing Lex interact with Kryptonian technology. Everything was wrong about it.

It made me realize... Wait. Kryptonians spoke English? lol

When the assistant first booted up you could hear it cycle through various languages until it finally landed on English.

And I'm not sure if it was a simple contextual aid for the audience, but the Krypton sequence in MOS wasn't in a foreign language either.

 

[Eros]

It was really weird and terrible seeing Lex interact with Kryptonian technology. Everything was wrong about it.

It made me realize... Wait. Kryptonians spoke English? lol

making doomsday and his blood or whatever it was upsurd.

 

[jokesonm3]

It's really ****ing frustrating at this point. At the end of the day, you can have the cast, crew, and other fans bring up on how a person should formulate their own opinion about the film (which I believe is true and valid) and how this film isn't meant for critics but for the fans...but is it so ****ing difficult to make a DC Film that isn't tarnished and trashed by the critics, while dividing the fandom as well?

Justice League needs to be pushed WAYY back to like 2019 to try to find a writer and Director that can miraculously fixed the mess Snyder made in BvS and give us a great film that both us fanboys and the critics absolutely love.

Bloody hell Snyder nuked DC's reputation faster than World engine effing up Metropolis.

 

[NateHevens]

Lois has the kryptonite spear, the one and only weapon known to do serious damage to Superman, possibly even kill him. Throws it in a pool. Hopefully no one will find it?

That sincerely bugs me. I know that's going to be a number of CinemaSins. There was literally no reason whatsoever for her to throw that in the water other than driving the plot for her to almost drown, have Superman save her, and then retrieve it himself.

I get needing to have certain things done for the sake of actually having a film, but that was a bad horror-movie mistake right there. Should not have happened at all.

It was downright baffling.

 

[Eros]

So Gotham is right across the river from Metropolis?

 

[Sho Nuff]

Don't forget the giant pieces of the World Engine just ****ing SCATTERED all over the ocean unprotected and pieces of Krypotonite sitting ten feet under the surface. Such sense. Much realism.

Bottom of the ocean to hear Lex tell it. Except it was retrieved by a guy snorkeling!

Its like grabbing something out of "the bottom of the pool".....while in the 3feet end.

 

[The Guard]

Harbor.

 

[The Guard]

That sincerely bugs me. I know that's going to be a number of CinemaSins. There was literally no reason whatsoever for her to throw that in the water other than driving the plot for her to almost drown, have Superman save her, and then retrieve it himself.

She was trying to get rid of it as soon as possible.

 

[Eros]

Harbor.

Nuff said lol

 

[Herolee10]

Justice League needs to be pushed WAYY back to like 2019 to try to find a writer and Director that can miraculously fixed the mess Snyder made in BvS and give us a great film that both us fanboys and the critics absolutely love.

Bloody hell Snyder nuked DC's reputation faster than World engine effing up Metropolis.

Unfortunately, I think by removing Snyder and delaying JL even further would only end up hurting the DCEU more than it would helping it.

Warner Bros and a lot of people have already invested too much money and time into this universe and backing out now would probably end up being more harmful than good.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Kryptonians spoke English? lol

Don't they always? As weird as it is. Surprised they never show Clark's intelligence by having him have to decipher what holograms are speaking to him in Kryptonese.

That goes for all Superman interpretations, not just this movie.

 

[NateHevens]

She was trying to get rid of it as soon as possible.

But it was out of his vicinity! He didn't need to get very far from it for its effects to wear off; they literally showed that... twice. She could have left it right where it was and as long as he stayed away from that spot, he'd have been fine.

It was utterly pointless.

On a related note...

As angry as I am at how many problems I have with the film, I can't wait, in a perverse way, for the CinemaSins, Honest Trailers, and How it Should Have Ended videos...

Which only makes me angrier...

I am not happy with how I feel about this film. It should have been a success, damnit! It had all of the ingredients needed to be a damn masterpiece!

But oh no. Snyder had to be all Snyder all over it and just...

I need to go to bed. I'm getting a headache...

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Unfortunately, I think by removing Snyder and delaying JL even further would only end up hurting the DCEU more than it would helping it.

Warner Bros and a lot of people have already invested too much money and time into this universe and backing out now would probably end up being more harmful than good.

Pretty much a majority of this films content issues come down to editing, direction, and script writing.

If Suicide Squad doesn't perform better (and hopefully it most certainly will) the brand is in major trouble if they don't do SOMETHING.

 

[Rapunzel]

Here's how I see the knightmare/flash thing:

1. The two things are related. The apocolyptic future is an Injustice nod; Lois' death (it's clearly Lois that has died--not Martha) has made Supes totally evil, with his own army of fascist brutes; Bats has his own faction of rebels. After waking up from that vision/dream (or temporal displacement from Flash?) Bruce is faced with the portal, containing Flash and his warning. The warning is about finding the other metas to stop Supes when/if he goes rogue, and prevent this future.

If this is correct, then my questions are these: what is Darkseid's role in this? It seems like Supes is just evil due to his loss, not under DS' control. Are they working together? Or has Supes' evilness let DS win, but he and Supes are still enemies (of each other and of Bats and co.)?

2. The two things are not related. The knightmare is simply a dream/vision of a future where the 1% chance of rogue Supes has happened. It is fueled by Bruce's fear and paranoia. He wakes up from the dream/vision, and sees Flash, come from a DIFFERENT future to deliver a warning about some other threat which the JL needs to form to combat.

If this is correct, my questions are these:

1. Who is the "he" Bruce was right about? Is it Supes? Is it Darkseid? Lex?

2. What is Lois the key to? It would seem weird, if Lois' death causes Supes' heel turn, to refer to Lois as "the key." it would make more sense to say "save Lois." or "protect Lois"

So what is she the key to? Finding the metas? Getting Bruce to save Martha (THAT future with Martha dead could be the future flash is from, not the Knightmare one)?

 

[Cobblepot]

She was trying to get rid of it as soon as possible.

That's right. She wasn't going to let it be there, she was probably planning on coming back to hide it someplace else.

 

[Herolee10]

Pretty much a majority of this films content issues come down to editing, direction, and script writing.

If Suicide Squad doesn't perform better (and hopefully it most certainly will) the brand is in major trouble if they don't do SOMETHING.

Warner Bros really needs SS and WW to be both financial and CRITICAL hits. Not only to renew the faith of A LOT of people in the franchise, but to also give them a reason to tolerate watching JL if Snyder is still in the Director's seat.

Frankly, I don't think Snyder deserves the faith and trust of anyone at this point. If he ever wants a majority of the fans to trust him then he's going to have to work as hard as hell to earn it.

 

[Kanon]

What was the point of the dream, both the future vision, and the warning (from cyborg? I didn't recognize him)? It was about Lois, but she wasn't at risk (in a pivotal way to the plot) during the movie, as Martha Kent was. Do you think at some point Lois Lane was the hostage and was switched to Martha during rewrites, or it has nothing to do with anything that happened in the movie? (at the moment of watching the "prophecies", I imagined that the fight vs Superman was somehow destined to cause Lois to die, so the plot would be about averting that by solving their differences)

 

[thorstone]

Hopefully the extended version can shed more light on this. It would've been better if Superman xray Batman during their first meet up on top of the crashed batmobile, a simple xray scene and Superman saying "Bruce Wayne, hmm, the next time they shine your light in the sky..."

It would've been better too to find out how Lex outsmarted both characters and how he found out about their identities, would've been great to see the genius of lex in action.

This is what inference is all about. You don't have to see Superman use his vision to see who is Batman. You don't have to show how Lex figured out their identities (he is clearly a genius and billionaire (foil for superspy billionaire Bruce Wayne)). You can see it in your mind. It's actually good to make the audience have to think about how these things played out.

Once again: DC fans could/should LOVE this movie. For its imagery and world building and what have you. But they are so wrapped up in the visual comic booky smorgasbord playing out they are subconsciously using their catalog of back knowledge to fill in major, important plot points and character arcs. And then acting like it was all in the movie. Love it all you want. But understand why you love it.

You shouldn't need Cliff Notes to make a movie coherent. It should be accessible to anyone walking in the theater. Even sequels like TDK go out of their way to make sure people who didn't watch Batman Begins are caught up.

If you don't get the New Gods references throughout the film then you really don't lose anything on the surface of the film as a viewer. The dream, while strange to the average viewer, demonstrates that there is a larger time-narrative happening here and it shows how Bruce is haunted by his fear of Superman. You don't have to know that any of that is actually about what is coming in JL (New Gods)-- you get a warning from a time-traveling Flash.

 

[RadioSha]

Now you guys are nitpicking.

I really liked that some of the Kryptonian tech and ship parts remain on Earth. It gives great world building. They are not from Earth. They are heavy and basically unmanageable with Earth materials/technology.

That Indian ocean scene after the black zero event flashback was pretty cool. It reminded me of Pacific Rim.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Batman has no problem casually murdering henchmen simply for being hired help. But Lex Luthor who is responsible for (inexplicably) genetically designing a kryptonian monster who destroys whole sections of a city? Nah, you get a pass, bro.

 

[Sho Nuff]

So what is she the key to? Finding the metas? Getting Bruce to save Martha (THAT future with Martha dead could be the future flash is from, not the Knightmare one)?

Find out next time, same Zach channel, same Zach time.

 

[Herolee10]

Here's how I see the knightmare/flash thing:

1. The two things are related. The apocolyptic future is an Injustice nod; Lois' death (it's clearly Lois that has died--not Martha) has made Supes totally evil, with his own army of fascist brutes; Bats has his own faction of rebels. After waking up from that vision/dream (or temporal displacement from Flash?) Bruce is faced with the portal, containing Flash and his warning. The warning is about finding the other metas to stop Supes when/if he goes rogue, and prevent this future.

If this is correct, then my questions are these: what is Darkseid's role in this? It seems like Supes is just evil due to his loss, not under DS' control. Are they working together? Or has Supes' evilness let DS win, but he and Supes are still enemies (of each other and of Bats and co.)?

2. The two things are not related. The knightmare is simply a dream/vision of a future where the 1% chance of rogue Supes has happened. It is fueled by Bruce's fear and paranoia. He wakes up from the dream/vision, and sees Flash, come from a DIFFERENT future to deliver a warning about some other threat which the JL needs to form to combat.

If this is correct, my questions are these:

1. Who is the "he" Bruce was right about? Is it Supes? Is it Darkseid? Lex?

2. What is Lois the key to? It would seem weird, if Lois' death causes Supes' heel turn, to refer to Lois as "the key." it would make more sense to say "save Lois." or "protect Lois"

So what is she the key to? Finding the metas? Getting Bruce to save Martha (THAT future with Martha dead could be the future flash is from, not the Knightmare one)?

IF the events of BvS are already part of an altered and new timeline, as a result of Barry's warning, then I'm curious to see on what happened in the original/prime one.

Did Superman even join the Justice League in the original one? Some have theorized that Batman was successful in impaling Clark with the spear, which led to a temporary death for him (Clark) but a permanent one for Martha because no one was around to save her. It's also possible that Lois may have died as a result of Clark being temporarily dead as well. So when Clark came back from his temporary death and found out that the two women that he cared about were dead because he wasn't there to save them, courtesy of Batman, he completely lost it.

 

[misslane38]

But it was out of his vicinity! He didn't need to get very far from it for its effects to wear off; they literally showed that... twice. She could have left it right where it was and as long as he stayed away from that spot, he'd have been fine.

I don't think it was just a matter of getting away from Superman. I think she wanted to hide it until someone trustworthy could destroy it or handle it properly.

 

[Wolf Boy]

Pretty much a majority of this films content issues come down to editing, direction, and script writing.

If Suicide Squad doesn't perform better (and hopefully it most certainly will) the brand is in major trouble if they don't do SOMETHING.

A lot will now be riding on SS and WW over the next year i think. Both films will need to please a much wider audience if they want strong numbers coming back in droves for JL end of next year.

 

[RadioSha]

I hope Suicide Squad works.

David Ayer has a knack of making unlikeable characters likeable (Safe sabotage. Those were just crappy, one-dimensional unlikeable characters)