BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 5

[Brian Braddock]

Ever been in such a sheer sense of shock that you feel numb and you don't quite know how to react? Well, there you go - that's what Supes was feeling.

 

[Da-Scribe]

if he's such a useless character, why even bother making him Jimmy Olsen?

just make him nameless CIA guy #1 who gets shot.

Snyder chose to make that character Jimmy Olsen and then chose to kill him off like a useless character. for "fun" it seems.

that's the part us fans are mad about.

I just can't say I care, even as fan. He was never going to be a player in this universe anyway, might as well do something mildly interesting with him if you can. This is just, for me, a non-issue. It doesn't affect this film or the DCEU in any way.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I feel bad for Supes when he's beating himself up for not seeing the bomb. I mean, come on, it's the freaking US Capitol-- there's tons of security and x-ray/scanner checks. I don't blame Supes for not looking. Especially given that he's probably worried about what others will say and how he will respond. And he probably also feeling really bad for Wally's situation.

I absolutely blame superman for not detecting the bomb. There's no reason why his super senses shouldn't of been able to recognize the unique properties of a bomb, located it, disarmed it, and saved everyone in the building. He's superman. That's what he does. That's why he's a hero. The fact that he failed to do so and then goes whining to Lois about it is ridiculous and was a decision made by the film makers as a weak attempt to create drama. The logic of this movie is a wreck. So many bad things happen simply because superman is bad at being superman.

You know what would of been great? Superman acting like superman and saving everyone; and then engaging in actual discourse before the public council about his presence and intentions in an attempt to subdue the legitimate fears they harbor against him. Nope. Let's just kill everyone and have superman be sad about it.

 

[X Knight]

I just can't say I care, even as fan. He was never going to be a player in this universe anyway, might as well do something mildly interesting with him if you can. This is just, for me, a non-issue. It doesn't affect this film or the DCEU in any way.

fair enough.

but it's an issue for me and I don't like it.

 

[The Guard]

You're literally arguing against what the director has come out and said.

Read between the lines. Look at the scene. This is ridiculous.

 

[jmc]

I just can't say I care, even as fan. He was never going to be a player in this universe anyway, might as well do something mildly interesting with him if you can. This is just, for me, a non-issue. It doesn't affect this film or the DCEU in any way.

It might have no baring on this movie or the entire franchise but shows a lack of respect for the mythology. If you're going to kill that particular character he at the very least deserves better treatment than that.

 

[The Guard]

Yup. Fanboy cliches...

We're a step away from "raped my childhood".

An Easter egg...for a character they have no plans for...
Shows a lack of respect for a cameraman to be a CIA agent.

Right.

 

[Plaidchuck]

Hey, snyders a comic book guy, don't you know?

 

[Supa]

The Jimmy Olson thing wouldn't be as bad if Superman and Batman actually acted like themselves. But no, it's just more fuel to the fire. People defend this by saying it was made for the fans, but that's clearly not the case.

 

[Jaxon]

I absolutely blame superman for not detecting the bomb. There's no reason why his super senses shouldn't of been able to recognize the unique properties of a bomb, located it, disarmed it, and saved everyone in the building. He's superman. That's what he does. That's why he's a hero. The fact that he failed to do so and then goes whining to Lois about it is ridiculous and was a decision made by the film makers as a weak attempt to create drama. The logic of this movie is a wreck. So many bad things happen simply because superman is bad at being superman. .

In this world (from Man of Steel) it was established that he basically needs to focus his senses in order to use them because he's so practiced at surpressing them. I think only during heightened emotional situations does he lose pure control over that (such as being able to detect Lois drowning).
So I perfectly accept that he didn't see the bomb, especially in a lead line casing.

 

[Da-Scribe]

It might have no baring on this movie or the entire franchise but shows a lack of respect for the mythology. If you're going to kill that particular character he at the very least deserves better treatment than that.

I mean, he went out like a hero. Did his best to try to keep Lois out of it. Accepted his fate like a boss. Reminded me of [BLACKOUT]Hank [/BLACKOUT]in Breaking Bad minus the badass line.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I absolutely blame superman for not detecting the bomb. There's no reason why his super senses shouldn't of been able to recognize the unique properties of a bomb, located it, disarmed it, and saved everyone in the building. He's superman. That's what he does. That's why he's a hero. The fact that he failed to do so and then goes whining to Lois about it is ridiculous and was a decision made by the film makers as a weak attempt to create drama. The logic of this movie is a wreck. So many bad things happen simply because superman is bad at being superman.

You know what would of been great? Superman acting like superman and saving everyone; and then engaging in actual discourse before the public council about his presence and intentions in an attempt to subdue the legitimate fears they harbor against him. Nope. Let's just kill everyone and have superman be sad about it.

Lol it's funny, that's exactly the reaction Lex was going for in the film.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Yup. Fanboy cliches...

We're a step away from "raped my childhood".

An Easter egg...for a character they have no plans for...
Shows a lack of respect for a cameraman to be a CIA agent.

Right.

Never mind a step away - I think we're firmly entrenched in childhood rape claims right now. Snyder is an absolute whipping boy at the moment.

 

[sf2]

I absolutely blame superman for not detecting the bomb. There's no reason why his super senses shouldn't of been able to recognize the unique properties of a bomb, located it, disarmed it, and saved everyone in the building. He's superman. That's what he does. That's why he's a hero. The fact that he failed to do so and then goes whining to Lois about it is ridiculous and was a decision made by the film makers as a weak attempt to create drama. The logic of this movie is a wreck. So many bad things happen simply because superman is bad at being superman.

You know what would of been great? Superman acting like superman and saving everyone; and then engaging in actual discourse before the public council about his presence and intentions in an attempt to subdue the legitimate fears they harbor against him. Nope. Let's just kill everyone and have superman be sad about it.

the perfect example of the fan projecting his own ideas into something that just isn't there.

he is superman. he isn't god. he should save everyone but he can't.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I absolutely blame superman for not detecting the bomb. There's no reason why his super senses shouldn't of been able to recognize the unique properties of a bomb, located it, disarmed it, and saved everyone in the building. He's superman. That's what he does. That's why he's a hero. The fact that he failed to do so and then goes whining to Lois about it is ridiculous and was a decision made by the film makers as a weak attempt to create drama. The logic of this movie is a wreck. So many bad things happen simply because superman is bad at being superman.

You know what would of been great? Superman acting like superman and saving everyone; and then engaging in actual discourse before the public council about his presence and intentions in an attempt to subdue the legitimate fears they harbor against him. Nope. Let's just kill everyone and have superman be sad about it.

Yes. Yes yes yes.

 

[Motown Marvel]

In this world (from Man of Steel) it was established that he basically needs to focus his senses in order to use them because he's so practiced at surpressing them. I think only during heightened emotional situations does he lose pure control over that (such as being able to detect Lois drowning).
So I perfectly accept that he didn't see the bomb, especially in a lead line casing.

That's not only stupid, nonsensical, and a misutilization of the character, but it would also be completely inconsistent with the film itself. At Lex's party, Clark's super hearing picks up Alfred's transmissions to Bruce. He wasn't trying to do that, nor did it require him to specifically focus his powers to do so, nor was he in some "heightened emotional state". Yet despite all the commotion of the party, Clark's super hearing picked it up. You don't get to change the rules of the universe from scene to scene simply to accommodate the plot. That's bad writing. Which is the only consistent thing in the movie.

 

[Rapunzel]

Lol it's funny, that's exactly the reaction Lex was going for in the film.

Precisely. This is why folks are judging Supes too harshly in the film. They're doing what everyone in the film does: they are thinking a hero must be a God.

The whole point of this film is that heroes aren't God, they are just "good men trying to do the right thing."

Hence the beauty of Supes' sacrifice and the statue. When the film starts, Supes is God, represented by the statue. Later, after his death, the statue is gone....replaced not by a monument but a reminder that everyone is a reminder of Supes' goodness.... because men are still good, and heroes can exist among them....rather than sit on pedestals or come from the sky.

This also ties into Bats and Lois, the two non meta heroes, who make a difference just by caring, risking, daring to do the right thing even if it kills them.

 

[Poni_Boy]

In this world (from Man of Steel) it was established that he basically needs to focus his senses in order to use them because he's so practiced at surpressing them. I think only during heightened emotional situations does he lose pure control over that (such as being able to detect Lois drowning).
So I perfectly accept that he didn't see the bomb, especially in a lead line casing.

So, he sucks at being Superman. If he can't use all his super powers at will, well, what's the point? Punch things? This one loves to punch things and fly really fast. Guess that's enough

 

[Motown Marvel]

the perfect example of the fan projecting his own ideas into something that just isn't there.

he is superman. he isn't god. he should save everyone but he can't.

So you're telling me if superman HAD detected the bomb with his super senses and saved everyone in the court room, you would be here right now criticizing how ridiculous it was because he would of had to been omnipotent to do so? That such a thing is completely not-superman?

 

[BatsDC]

Read between the lines. Look at the scene. This is ridiculous.

No. You're choosing to read something how you would like to read it, despite the director stating what the intention was. There is no reading between the lines here; Snyder has straight up said who it was and why they did it. I honestly don't understand why you're arguing against it.

 

[Donnie Brasco]

I thought the biggest issue was the storyboard scenes that were all over the place, meaning you make comic book movies adapt to the screen. You don't make a comic book movie into a comic book style panel sequences.
Definitely not enough Superman in this film. Everything really was focused on Batman. I give it a 7/10. The ending did tie up all the subplots earlier. I just wonder how are they going to bring Superman back. Clark Kent is dead, posted in the newspaper etc. Are we just going to see just superman going forward?

 

[Rapunzel]

That's not only stupid, nonsensical, and a misutilization of the character, but it would also be completely inconsistent with the film itself. At Lex's party, Clark's super hearing picks up Alfred's transmissions to Bruce. He wasn't trying to do that, nor did it require him to specifically focus his powers to do so, nor was he in some "heightened emotional state". Yet despite all the commotion of the party, Clark's super hearing picked it up. You don't get to change the rules of the universe from scene to scene simply to accommodate the plot. That's bad writing. Which is the only consistent thing in the movie.

This argument would only work if not seeing the bomb was related to the sense of hearing, which it isn't.

X-ray vision is a totally different sense and it is one that unlike hearing would be impossible to keep tuned all the time.

You're also not taking into account the fact that the US Capitol is a secure building with strict safety protocols meant to prevent bombers from getting in. Supes should not be blamed for assuming that security has done it's job...

Or is all humanity just supposed to make Supes do all the work protecting them, just cause he can?

 

[Brian Braddock]

Hmm, the courtroom scene. Yah, its not like Supermans focus was elsewhere, was it? I mean what with the inner turmoil, the testimony of the woman, the grilling by the senator - just how did he miss a hidden bomb that had been masked from his super-senses?

 

[Motown Marvel]

This argument would only work if not seeing the bomb was related to the sense of hearing, which it isn't.

X-ray vision is a totally different sense and it is one that unlike hearing would be impossible to keep tuned all the time.

You're also not taking into account the fact that the US Capitol is a secure building with strict safety protocols meant to prevent bombers from getting in. Supes should not be blamed for assuming that security has done it's job...

Or is all humanity just supposed to make Supes do all the work protecting them, just cause he can?

His super smelling would also sense the unique chemical compounds that make up explosives.

No, superman is not responsible for everyone. He's not expected to be a god, so let's not get hyperbolic in your defense. But if you are trying to tell me we are dealing with a superman whose senses can't pick up the presence of a bomb in the room, then that is a weak as hell excuse for a superman who sucks at using his powers.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I absolutely blame superman for not detecting the bomb. There's no reason why his super senses shouldn't of been able to recognize the unique properties of a bomb, located it, disarmed it, and saved everyone in the building. He's superman. That's what he does. That's why he's a hero. The fact that he failed to do so and then goes whining to Lois about it is ridiculous and was a decision made by the film makers as a weak attempt to create drama. The logic of this movie is a wreck.

I don't disagree tbh. I immediately thought of this scene from an episode of LnC where he is in a court room as a witness and then sniffs out a bomb and gets rid of it before it kills everyone.