BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 5

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I don't understand the problem here? Yeah, he killed off a character, but some of you are acting like he's the only director to have ever killed off someone in a CBM before. With Burton, he killed off Joker and Penguin. Nolan killed off Ra's, Two-Face, Rachel, Bane and Talia. Sometimes people die in these movies. Or were you expecting to go into BvS, and have Jimmy Olson single-handedly take on Doomsday, and save the world?

Those films you've listen were either solo films or a trilogy at best.

This is a cinematic universe, you can't just let one director go off killing characters all willy nilly because it's 'fun'.
 
no, jimmy's a fun character, it makes sense that snyder killed him
 
I don't understand the problem here? Yeah, he killed off a character, but some of you are acting like he's the only director to have ever killed off someone in a CBM before. With Burton, he killed off Joker and Penguin. Nolan killed off Ra's, Two-Face, Rachel, Bane and Talia. Sometimes people die in these movies. Or were you expecting to go into BvS, and have Jimmy Olson single-handedly take on Doomsday, and save the world?

Yeah but Batman didn't kill any of those guys himself.
 
So is the last scene basically a ripoff of the last scene of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?
 
Batman used a gun to shoot the flamethrower tank which caused an explosion which he had to rush to protect Martha from. He's dead. There was even an interview where Snyder spoke specifically about that kill.

I haven't watched interviews, and so I was just going off what I saw onscreen. To me, it wasn't clear the guy was dead, but fair enough. He wasn't working alone, I assume, so there are likely others who could weigh in on what was happening.

Just because the end of the script states it was proven does not mean the content of the film supports the logic to substantiate such a conclusion. A court of law requires claims to be substantiated with unquestionable evidence. Nowhere in this film does Lois have such evidence. Nor does anything in her story arc dictate a line of logic that could justifiably lead you to such a conclusion.

It doesn't matter. The movie establishes that Lois was successful. In terms of the movie's own internal logic--messed up as you may think it is--she succeeded in clearing Superman's name. That matters in terms of how we judge her. We can't say a character didn't accomplish something when the script tells us that he or she did. You can argue that it wasn't believable to you, but you can't argue that it didn't happen. If it happened, then Lois' accomplishments are real in the context of the film. If you don't buy it, that's fine. It doesn't make it true that Lois' investigation was pointless and she herself was useless, though.

The General states he is off the record and the information is classified. That stands until the film states otherwise. Even that aside, until said information is officially declassified through proper channels, the evidence is illegal and inadmissible, and makes the General sharing it guilty of numerous crimes for which he would face a military tribunal.

I don't get you. On the one hand, you tell me what the film states doesn't matter with regard to Lois' investigation successfully proving Lex's conspiracy to frame Superman. On the other hand, you're telling me that the film states something about the General so it has to be true and unchanged even though the end of the movie tells us that Lois had proved her suspicions correct. You're assuming that the extraordinary circumstances wouldn't have allowed for the information to be revealed or that the General wouldn't have enough courage, especially after the tragedy at the capitol, to put his own neck on the line for truth and justice. The fact remains that the script tells us that it was all proven in the end, making your straw grasping to delegitimize that truth and the accomplishment that comes from that reality seem incredibly unfair to Lois.

Based on what was depicted, it was woefully inaccurate to accomplish her desired goals.

Yet, she accomplished them. Whether you buy it or not, it doesn't matter when it comes to what the movie establishes as her contribution.

Except you can't just say it without anything to substantiate it. That's the problem.

You can't substantiate what you're alleging either.

I'm not saying she was completely useless. But she was grossly underutilized and her "investigation" story arc was sorely lacking and completely inadequate.

I would have loved her to be utilized more and for more of the dots to have been connected on screen, but you don't have to go a step further to dismiss what the movie did establish in terms of her accomplishment. At the very least, you could frame your critique more accurately as there needed to be more to support the plot's conclusion rather than what it seems like you're doing, which is to deny even what the script states that she accomplished.
 
I don't remember Superman killing anyone, he probably put the guy who was holding Lois Lane hostage in the hospital. But Doomsday yeah, if that even counts. Don't you forget Superman saved Luthor, after all he did, from Doomsday's first punch.

Also I wasn't bothered by Batman killing. The only scenes where people probably died directly because of him are the car chase and flame thrower guy. But these are very similar to incidents from The Dark Knight Trilogy.

For the car chase, I was overwhelmed by the fact he uses a car to kill another car so I wasn't focusing my attention when used his forward machine guns. But remember the Dark Knight, he flattened the garbage truck driver.

For the the Knightmare and warehouse scenes, we see him directing guns shots at others but we don't know they were fatal. Neck snap, probably, but audience won't automatically assume he is dead. When he uses the grappling hook he aims at the leg and shoulders not critical regions. Maybe the same with guns. The grenade guy doesn't count. It is like Ra's Al Ghul scene - "I don't have to save you"

Martha scene, well, that is very personal. Saving a woman with the same name as his mom, He could have straight up shot the guy in the head but he shot the tank. This is more like the Harvey Dent scene.

Not that I am endorse the killing. But most of the time, he doesn't do it on purpose. And also we don't see anyone actually die besides the flame thrower guy and may be the neck snapped superman soldier. Did I miss anything? I may have. I need to watch the movie again.

Oh one more thing, Batman was ready to kill Superman. That is something else. Batman's been paranoid, not himself, especially after Robin's death. He held Superman accountable for thousands dead and want to avoid the death of a million. I can forgive Batman for it. He is a little lost. He needs to rediscover what he stands for and if they make a movie about it, I will definitely watch it.
 
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It's just an Easter egg. He's not named in the film and they left themselves an out if they want to use him for real later.

Uh, no it's not. Zack said straight up that it was Jimmy, and that he is most definitely dead - all because he didn't fit into their future plans.

Zack thought it'd be a good idea to just bring him in a kill him. For funsies.
 
Was anyone else bothered by Superman's blank reaction after the courtoom thing? He's just standing there look blankly, not even sad or shocked this thing just happened. Do you think that was intentional direction on Snyder's part?
 
Maybe Eisenberg should have played Jimmy Olsen. I wasn't a fan of his Lex at all, except for the Granny's Peach tea thing..that was pretty funny.
 
Was anyone else bothered by Superman's blank reaction after the courtoom thing? He's just standing there look blankly, not even sad or shocked this thing just happened. Do you think that was intentional direction on Snyder's part?

Superman not showing emotion is a bit of a running theme for these films.
 
Was anyone else bothered by Superman's blank reaction after the courtoom thing? He's just standing there look blankly, not even sad or shocked this thing just happened. Do you think that was intentional direction on Snyder's part?

lol i definitely was, not even a smear of emotion, it's like he had a "whoopsy" face on while everyone around him burnt to a crisp... wtf.
 
Really?

He seemed absolutely devastated to me, I think I even saw him crying. I'm gonna have to check it the next time, I remember seeing tears.
 
Was getting shot part of this films CIA guy's plan?


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Really?

He seemed absolutely devastated to me, I think I even saw him crying. I'm gonna have to check it the next time, I remember seeing tears.

A look of shock and horror would've been nice, given what just happened around him.
 
Was anyone else bothered by Superman's blank reaction after the courtoom thing? He's just standing there look blankly, not even sad or shocked this thing just happened. Do you think that was intentional direction on Snyder's part?

The Dr. Manhattan indifference... Hes just sort of there all the time only seems to come alive with Lois...
I get what they were going for...would have preferred different execution.
 
I'd have to watch it again but I'm pretty sure Superman denied killing anyone in Africa.

That's referring to the villagers who were massacred. She obviously saw him spear the guy. And they can bs all they want, that dude is dead. Getting bashed through a wall at over 100 mph then through another building? C'mon guys. Use your eyes
 
lol i definitely was, not even a smear of emotion, it's like he had a "whoopsy" face on while everyone around him burnt to a crisp... wtf.

Looked like dismayed shock... disbelief to me... seriously what do people expect here... I genuninely cannot believe the **** this movie is getting in here! :csad:
 
Really?

He seemed absolutely devastated to me, I think I even saw him crying. I'm gonna have to check it the next time, I remember seeing tears.

Yeah, he looks like he's completely devastated and also as if to wonder why **** keeps happening to him.
 
A look of shock and horror would've been nice, given what just happened around him.

This is why I call him a nihilist. Bleak outlook on life. Rejection of a moral code. He has no empathy to anyone that doesn't satisfy a selfish need. He looks constipated while he's saving people. Kills one dude senselessly to save Lois, Sometimes he just floats over them, watching them scream for help. Corpses are getting extra crispy around him, *shrug* whatever. Poor me. Why is my life so haard? And he was actually contemplating killing Batman if Batman didn't help him. Not in the moment, before hand. Jesus. This is the Superman fans want?
 
Yeah, I thought it was obvious how devastated he was.
 
That's referring to the villagers who were massacred. She obviously saw him spear the guy. And they can bs all they want, that dude is dead. Getting bashed through a wall at over 100 mph then through another building? C'mon guys. Use your eyes

Spear what guy??? I used my eyes and all happened to fast for mine or your eyes, so you didn't see exactly what happened either, but I do find it funny people would rather think the worst. For me though, I think Superman's head and shoulder would have hit the wall first – I don't think he killed the guy. The hearing is all about how he was framed for killing everyone else and how the terrorists allies sought retribution on locals.
 
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