BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 5

[Robin91939]

Why are rapists branded but not the Joker?

They say on the news that this is the second criminal to be branded by the Batman. The first was a child molester who was beaten to a pulp in jail and is in critical condition.

They flat-out say this in the movie. Right when Clark is making some delicious sunny-side up eggs. Do people really not watch films only to complain that things that are there aren't?

He hasn't branded the Joker because he has only JUST started branding criminals.

The human sex trafficker was number TWO. Alfred tosses the newspaper with the headline about the bat-brand and basically asks Bruce, "when did this start" (I'm paraphrasing).

But this is all IN THE FILM. There are things to complain about with the movie. There are flaws. But can people please stop making up ones that AREN'T there?

-R

 

[TDKR1977]

I am under the impression that Knightmare sequence messed him up real good.

He's been planning to kill him since MOS. He's not stupid, however, and knows he can't. He's tracking down the White Portuguese because it has a "weapon" which will give him the ability to do so.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I get what you are saying, this is one of my favorite moments:

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But I don't know what else to tell you. I am not that picky. I am sure he could kill someone with the grappling gun if he wanted, it is not much different than firearms. Why doesn't that remind him of the handgun that killed his parents.

Is that picky? Am I being picky? I am talking about Batman and guns, not the shape of his cowl or whether he wears underwear. I feel like this is a core principle.

 

[TDKR1977]

They say on the news that this is the second criminal to be branded by the Batman. The first was a child molester who was beaten to a pulp in jail and is in critical condition.

They flat-out say this. Do people really not watch films only to complain that things that are there aren't?

He hasn't branded the Joker because he has only JUST started branding criminals.

The human sex trafficker was number TWO. Alfred tosses the newspaper with the headline about the bat-brand and basically asks Bruce, "when did this start" (I'm paraphrasing).

But this is all IN THE FILM. There are things to complain about with the movie. There are flaws. But can people please stop making up ones that AREN'T there?

-R

Been noticing the same, friend. It is what it is, I guess.

 

[Sleiek]

No but it's just how Batman is my favorite superhero, and I'm watching him do this. It's stupid on so many levels. It shouldn't have happened. Only a director with the mindset of "it looks badass" and not that "Batman would do this" would choose to do that.

It's the dumbest thing I've seen. I'd take Batnipples & Bat credit cards over it. If the car is down for the count, why grapple it, drag it through the streets, & throw it at another car?

You know that scene was so badass, I didn't even worry about the thugs inside the cars.

Can I ask you something, did you complain when Batman flattened the garbage truck driver against the ceiling with his batmobile in The Dark Knight? Just curious.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

They say on the news that this is the second criminal to be branded by the Batman. The first was a child molester who was beaten to a pulp in jail and is in critical condition.

They flat-out say this. Do people really not watch films only to complain that things that are there aren't?

He hasn't branded the Joker because he has only JUST started branding criminals.

 

[Hurm...]

What's funny is that Superman thinks beating the **** out of Batman is going to persuade Bats to listen to his plea for help.

 

[TDKR1977]

Is that picky? Am I being picky? I am talking about Batman and guns, not the shape of his cowl or whether he wears underwear. I feel like this is a core principle.

Which he will obviously be back to next film. Superman inspiring him was part of his arc.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

you hate frank miller?

I am not a fan of Frank Miller's Batman or Superman. Like his original stuff and Daredevil.

 

[Sleiek]

Is that picky? Am I being picky? I am talking about Batman and guns, not the shape of his cowl or whether he wears underwear. I feel like this is a core principle.

I should have chosen a better word for it, I apologize.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Which he will obviously be back to next film. Superman inspiring him was part of his arc.

And why does Superman have to do that? He is Batman. I actually thought the idea of Batman trying to kill Superman was far more powerful when it was a decision he had to make. Instead, it is something he already does, so no big deal.

 

[TDKR1977]

And why does Superman have to do that? He is Batman.

It's touched on in the film. I'm not going to write that synopsis. It's there. Ignore it or don't.

ETA That sounds like me being an ass. Don't mean it to be.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I should have chosen a better word for it, I apologize.

No worries. You even making this post is more then most. So thank you.

 

[The Guard]

I think maybe what we we're seeing was The Flash trapped in an OMAC shell, a la the Justice League: Mortal script. In that script, he's trapped in one and races through time.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

You know that scene scene was so badass, I didn't even worry about the thugs inside the cars.

Can I ask you something, did you complain when Batman flattened the garbage truck driver against the ceiling with his batmobile in The Dark Knight? Just curious.

Ok that's one car. Really one car out of the films with the Tumbler where it looked like nobody died.

Which he will obviously be back to next film. Superman inspiring him was part of his arc.

How does Superman inspire Bat? "I failed him." BUT NOT KILLING HIM?!?!?!?!?! WHICH YOU WERE GONNA DO!!!!

 

[Robin91939]

You know that scene scene was so badass, I didn't even worry about the thugs inside the cars.

Can I ask you something, did you complain when Batman flattened the garbage truck driver against the ceiling with his batmobile in The Dark Knight? Just curious.

Exactly.

The Dark Knight Trilogy are my three favorite movies of all time and a masterpiece of filmmaking ... but make no mistake --

Batman kills the dude in the garbage truck.
Batman kills ninjas by blowing up Ra's Al Ghul's compound.
Batman flatten police cars like pancakes. Yeah, these guys survive, but he just as easily could have killed them, and they were COPS.
Batman fires ROCKETS from the Bat and from the Tumbler and Batpod.

Snyder's Batman is looser with his rules, yes. But this is also a different Batman. A Batman at a different point in his career and who has had a vastly different career than Nolan's Batman.

-R

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's touched on in the film. I'm not going to write that synopsis. It's there. Ignore it or don't.

It is as flimsy as the premise of the whole movie. Which is exactly why I have a problem with it. Just because something is in the movie, doesn't mean it works in terms of storytelling or character. I don't think it is that complicated. If something just has to be in the movie to make sense, Batman and Robin has its own internal logic. Yet so many dislike it. Why?

I am not saying you have to see it from my POV, but I am not just making this stuff up. It is why so many reviews point out this as a flaw of the film.

 

[jokesonm3]

The resolution in a nutshell

 

[TDKR1977]

Ok that's one car. Really one car out of the films with the Tumbler where it looked like nobody died.



How does Superman inspire Bat? "I failed him." BUT NOT KILLING HIM?!?!?!?!?! WHICH YOU WERE GONNA DO!!!!

But at the last second, he recognized Superman's humanity, which awakened his own. It's all right there on screen.

 

[Sleiek]

The resolution in a nutshell

Spoiler

Finally a post from you that made me laugh after a long time.

 

[TDKR1977]

The resolution in a nutshell

Not gonna lie, I loved the scene. But this IS hilarious.

 

[TDKR1977]

It is as flimsy as the premise of the whole movie. Which is exactly why I have a problem with it. Just because something is in the movie, doesn't mean it works in terms of storytelling or character. I don't think it is that complicated. If something just has to be in the movie to make sense, Batman and Robin has its own internal logic. Yet so many dislike it. Why?

I am not saying you have to see it from my POV, but I am not just making this stuff up. It is why so many reviews point out this as a flaw of the film.

You find it shallow. Some don't.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The resolution in a nutshell

As Poni posted yesterday:

If only the Joker's mother was named Martha. Then maybe Robin would still be alive.

 

[redhawk23]

And again, he talks about their cover.
That's not a character in any real sense. Its literally just a nod to a character people know.

A stupid shallow nod used in service of including extreme violence. Again, the approach to the entire universe is awful from the biggest characters down to their supporting cast.

The film is toxic.

 

[BatofGotham]

I've only seen the film once but I want to write an analysis of it. Can somebody please list all the times that Batman apparently killed someone? The only ones I remember are the car chase sequence, Knightmare (yeah it was a dream) and when he rescued Martha from that guy.

Also I think there were only two dream sequences. One in which he was visiting his parents' graves and some Bat creature attacked him and Knightmare. Am I correct?