BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 5

[Travesty]

You can't put a character in prison for no explainable reason. If it's not that important, then don't do it!

What do you mean "no explainable reason"? We know what he did throughout the entire movie. We know he's not innocent of his crimes. We know this. Now, if throughout the entire movie he was just petting kittens and saving puppies, and then he just randomly ends up in jail, then yeah, that would be a head scratcher.

Are you just mad that we didn't see cops read him his rights, booked, and then tried and prosecuted? I don't understand what you're getting at. There's no speculation or assumption needed, we saw what he did throughout the movie. Pick one or all, it doesn't matter.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Re, Lex: the Patriot Act gives a lot of leeway to arresting people suspected of terrorism.

The Patriot Act was deemed unconstitutional and revoked over two years ago. Look it up.

 

[OutOfBoose]

"Didn't didn't didn't" there are four different theories on this page of why Alex was arrested from four different people who saw the movie. So obviously it was a storytelling failure for not enunciating that. It's an important part of the story. Is he in jail or prison? What prison shaves your head? Only ones I know of are capital punishment ones waiting to execute prisoners. It was an afterthought that "looked cool"

Because I watched the movie only one time and it was quite dense. I need to watch a couple more times to notice everything that is there.

 

[Verick808]

I don't think we really needed to go into detail on how Lex ended up in prison. He blew up a courthouse, orchestrated a mass murder, created Doomsday. No way there could be much doubt in that. He was given access to both Zod and the ship. I imagine only a few could have done it.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

"Didn't didn't didn't" there are four different theories on this page of why Alex was arrested from four different people who saw the movie. So obviously it was a storytelling failure for not enunciating that. It's an important part of the story. Is he in jail or prison? What prison shaves your head? Only ones I know of are capital punishment ones waiting to execute prisoners. It was an afterthought that "looked cool"

I don't know why anyone would question why Lex was in jail. The movie clearly states it. I guess people missed some stuff.

 

[writer0327]

Except what does lex ever say to her which incriminates him in anything? Your rationale requires us to assume she was not only recording him, but that she recorded a damning conversation which happens off screen which is never alluded to in the film?

I thought Lex admitted to her that he wanted to create a weapon against Superman using Kryptonite and Zod's DNA.

But someone else already says he was arrested for the bombing, so there it is. I frankly didn't care why he was arrested. The writing/script/story demanded a helluva lot more than that not-so-crucial piece of information.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

The Patriot Act was deemed unconstitutional and revoked over two years ago. Look it up.

That's not true at all.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I don't know why anyone would question why Lex was in jail. The movie clearly states it. I guess people missed some stuff.

The audience knows the things he did, the people in the story don't have or show any cause for his arrest. None. It's like a horror movie where the audience sees the slasher hiding in the closet but the kids in the house don't know he's there.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Everyone keeps repeating the same 3 or 4 things to explain Lex being arrested, which requires me to keep repeating the same 3 or 4 common sense reasons why it's bull. Go back and read what I already wrote, or don't, it doesn't matter. There's a billion other train wreck issues in this film that just getting caught up on the one does a disservice to all the other egregious failures which deserve recognition. But like I said before, the fact that it requires so much speculation and assumption goes to show how poor the writing was.

 

[Poni_Boy]

That's not true at all.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/31/patriot-act-expires-senate-stalemate/28260905/

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

The audience knows the things he did, the people in the story don't have or show any cause for his arrest. None. It's like a horror movie where the audience sees the slasher hiding in the closet but the kids in the house don't know he's there.

You wanted the movie to show the investigation into Lex, his arrest, strategy with his attorneys, the trial, his sentencing?

The line that Lex Luthor has been arrested for his connection in the bombing of the US Capitol and Lois' revelation to the general about his actions in Africa weren't enough for you?

Weren't you complaining that the movie was too long as it is? You are all over the place.

 

[comicfan13]

Flash showed up after he woke up from the "first" dream. Flash was part of the "second" dream. It looks like two completely different scenes there's even a screen cut between them. Batception.

But for argument's sake let's say Flash could have shown him the future. How do we know? Not even the lines he says make sense with the story he's telling. It looks like another one of his booze filled dreams crazy dreams that he keeps having. So is it a dream or not? I don't think they even know

I need to watch it again, I'm getting his dreams or future visions crossed but I agree with that if Bruce is dreaming why does he dream of this future with Darkseid and Superman? Batception!!

 

[Verick808]

The Patriot Act was deemed unconstitutional and revoked over two years ago. Look it up.

Maybe you should look into that. It expired less than a year ago, when this film takes place. Not only that but a number of the more controversial parts were renewed pretty much the day after.

 

[writer0327]

"Didn't didn't didn't" there are four different theories on this page of why Alex was arrested from four different people who saw the movie. So obviously it was a storytelling failure for not enunciating that. It's an important part of the story. Is he in jail or prison? What prison shaves your head? Only ones I know of are capital punishment ones waiting to execute prisoners. It was an afterthought that "looked cool"

I agree with everything you said expect that it's an important part of the story. It's not. Why did Lex go to jail? For real? I understand the point that's being made about the writing, but seriously, it's a forgivable offense and a non-issue if the rest of the film worked. We'd be talking about how amazing the rest of the film was and how much we can't wait to see how it's going to develop from here, not this.

 

[Motown Marvel]

What do you mean "no explainable reason"? We know what he did throughout the entire movie. We know he's not innocent of his crimes. We know this. Now, if throughout the entire movie he was just petting kittens and saving puppies, and then he just randomly ends up in jail, then yeah, that would be a head scratcher.

Are you just mad that we didn't see cops read him his rights, booked, and then tried and prosecuted? I don't understand what you're getting at. There's no speculation or assumption needed, we saw what he did throughout the movie. Pick one or all, it doesn't matter.

Yes, we the audience outside of the universe of the film knows these things happened. But in order for someone within the universe of the film to be arrested there needs to be proof for him to be tried and convicted within the universe of the film, which there is little to none. We don't need to see the trial, but there does need to be a believable standing which warrants adjudication, and there is not.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/31/patriot-act-expires-senate-stalemate/28260905/

Sigh... Provisions of the Patriot Act expired. The expired provisions in the Patriot Act were then put into the USA Freedom Act of 2015 and expire in 2019.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Maybe you should look into that. It expired less than a year ago, when this film takes place. Not only that but a number of the more controversial parts were renewed pretty much the day after.

And they can't take effect until 2019 when the current provisions expire. The movie version "Patriot Act" where you can be arrested for any reason deemed a threat to national security is total bs. The worst that could have happened is being detained (not arrested) for 48 hours without charges while wire and phone tapping was authorized without your permission to look into your records. Which is in violation of the Fourth Amendment. That provision (215) is revoked.

 

[Motown Marvel]

For the love of Zod, let's not bring the patriot act into this already out of control discussion.

Lets knock off the Lex in prison thing and talk about batman being at the epicenter of a doomsday energy emission which levels city blocks but he comes out fine because he dove behind a slab of concrete.

 

[matt47]

Just realized another similarity to TASM2.
Movie ends with loved one at their grave cut with villain in prison talking about the future films.

These similarities are so strange to me

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Yes, we the audience outside of the universe of the film knows these things happened. But in order for someone within the universe of the film to be arrested there needs to be proof for him to be tried and convicted within the universe of the film, which there is little to none. We don't need to see the trial, but there does need to be a believable standing which warrants adjudication, and there is not.

You don't think the US government could link Lex back to that wheelchair? Especially when Lois tips off the General about Lex's involvement in the Africa incident? You need that to be explained in more detail? Why?

 

[Poni_Boy]

I agree with everything you said expect that it's an important part of the story. It's not. Why did Lex go to jail? For real? I understand the point that's being made about the writing, but seriously, it's a forgivable offense and a non-issue if the rest of the film worked. We'd be talking about how amazing the rest of the film was and how much we can't wait to see how it's going to develop from here, not this.

I agree. If the rest of the film worked. But it didn't BECAUSE of these inconsistencies and hamfisted story beats. They wanted him in prison so they could shave his head. That's all i got from that.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

For the love of Zod, let's not bring the patriot act into this already out of control discussion.

Lets knock off the Lex in prison thing and talk about batman being at the epicenter of a doomsday energy emission which levels city blocks but he comes out fine because he dove behind a slab of concrete.

I accept your surrender on those points you wish to move on from.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I agree. If the rest of the film worked. But it didn't BECAUSE of these inconsistencies and hamfisted story beats. They wanted him in prison so they could shave his head. That's all i got from that.

Really? You didn't get that justice prevailed?

 

[writer0327]

For the love of Zod, let's not bring the patriot act into this already out of control discussion.

Lets knock off the Lex in prison thing and talk about batman being at the epicenter of a doomsday energy emission which levels city blocks but he comes out fine because he dove behind a slab of concrete.

He's got a super-suit on too...

 

[OzzMosiz]

For the love of Zod, let's not bring the patriot act into this already out of control discussion.

Lets knock off the Lex in prison thing and talk about batman being at the epicenter of a doomsday energy emission which levels city blocks but he comes out fine because he dove behind a slab of concrete.

Well his normal Bat gear was bullet proof at close range. Does everything have to be explained in a comic book movie? Why do people in ALL comic book films never get hit by bullets from a machine gun??